AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.
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Even if official voter fraud was proven, nothing would happen.
Honest Joe and Camel Toe are already in office and there is nothing we can do about it.
I'm still shocked how you were against Trump fighting the results, while you defended Dems doing the same thing. Then again, I'm not.
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Garland ought to Arrest the whole lot of everyone involved in this sham Recount. They all are breaking federal law blatantly. Just another gimmick and distraction from a failed political party with no platform and no direction other then attempting to take away the rights of Americans to vote. Anyone involved in this Trump Big Lie inspired fraud of a recount needs a lifetime ban from holding public office.
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@manhandler Get to the bottom of what? Re-Affirm that Donnie Dip Shit was a terrible Candidate that the RNC should have dumped and ran someone different? ReAffirm that he does not give a crap about any of you people who support him, doesnt care about the people of Arizona or the people of this country? Face the facts. The people of this country did not elect that idiot Trump. Biden was elected. If Biden would have ran in 2016 instead of Crooked Hillary he would have easily won then as well. Trump is a joke, his administration was an even bigger joke and was filled with nothing but criminal acts after criminal acts. How many of his cabinet secretaries were investigated for crimes? He set a record. He was worse than Nixon. Wire Taps on the Press and Elected Members of Congress without the permission of Attorney General? This is flat out lawlessness. Nobody in either party should stand for this. He held office to enrich himself and his family, blatantly handed out pardons and commutations to people so that they didn't rat him out, and it still will not be enough to save him. He will be indicted by the end of the year. Mark my words. He is the worst President that this Country has ever had because of the damage that he has done to the Office of the President and for his utter disregard for the rule of law and for the Constitution. He is unamerican. He is a traitor to this country. How many State secrets did Trump sell to Russia during his closed door meetings with his Puppet Master Putin? We lead the Globe in IT Security and then 5 months after he leaves office, Colonial Pipe Line, Meat Packing Plants, and all sorts of Critical Infrastructure gets hit by cyber attacks from bad attackers based out of Russia.. You think that is a coincidence?
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@sosofly No they are not. I can't believe you would say something so blatantly false right off the bat in your long statement. States Rights Trump Federal Permits. Garland has no authority whatsoever to arrest the Arizona Senate! You are so deceived... you are so wrong... you are not in line with Truth. You are not in line with Law. You are in line with nonsense.
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@sosofly said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
Garland ought to Arrest the whole lot of everyone involved in this sham Recount. They all are breaking federal law blatantly. Just another gimmick and distraction from a failed political party with no platform and no direction other then attempting to take away the rights of Americans to vote. Anyone involved in this Trump Big Lie inspired fraud of a recount needs a lifetime ban from holding public office.
Your extreme TDS is showing.
You clearly fear that Trump may be proven correct on voter fraud, even if it doesn't put him back in office. You just can't have him be justified in his claims.
To a much lesser extent, you don't want the world to see how dirty the DNC is.
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@sosofly said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
Garland ought to Arrest the whole lot of everyone involved in this sham Recount. They all are breaking federal law blatantly. Just another gimmick and distraction from a failed political party with no platform and no direction other then attempting to take away the rights of Americans to vote. Anyone involved in this Trump Big Lie inspired fraud of a recount needs a lifetime ban from holding public office.
These poor souls (realize, for one, the TONS of cash these people - the company behind this, not the actual people "counting") are not breaking any Federal Law - I'm sorry, I attack specious arguments on both sides of the political spectrum.
The laws governing the counting of ballots are all, 100% State (and territory) laws - in this case, AZ law - which the US AG has absolutely no authority to enforce.
The news story here is a Straw Man one... no different than if I said "If @sosofly thinks he can come here and rape my daughter, he should know I'll shoot to kill" - even though you don't have any idea where I live, you probably don't know if I have any daughters, and you're gay - you wouldn't even be attracted (sexually) to any of them... But it sure grabs headlines!
The threat that the US AG was planning to interrupt the AZ vote recount farce was wrong: he has no jurisdiction over it. Further, he had never said there were plans to do anything about it. And, finally, the assertion that an AZ lawmaker could have the US AG arrested for coming to AZ is wrong on so many fronts as to be laughable!
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@raphjd said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
@sosofly said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
Garland ought to Arrest the whole lot of everyone involved in this sham Recount. They all are breaking federal law blatantly. Just another gimmick and distraction from a failed political party with no platform and no direction other then attempting to take away the rights of Americans to vote. Anyone involved in this Trump Big Lie inspired fraud of a recount needs a lifetime ban from holding public office.
Your extreme TDS is showing.
You clearly fear that Trump may be proven correct on voter fraud, even if it doesn't put him back in office. You just can't have him be justified in his claims.
To a much lesser extent, you don't want the world to see how dirty the DNC is.
The 2020 election is OVER. The tiny window to overcome the certified results from each state (even if the certification was made with incorrect data), there is no - none, zero, not-even MAGICAL thinking, but rather FANTASTICAL thinking) - pathway for Trump to be declared the winner of that election.
He can run in 2024... that's all.
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Did I say any different?!
I accept that the election is done and over.
That has absolutely zero to do with making sure we get rid of any fraud in future elections.
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@bi4smooth Nah, he can run as Speaker of the House and impeach Biden/Harris. The results can also be overturned. Fraud is vitiate from the beginning. It doesn't count. That's the basis of law.
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@raphjd said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
Did I say any different?!
I accept that the election is done and over.
That has absolutely zero to do with making sure we get rid of any fraud in future elections.
If there was so much fraud in the 2020 election, should all those Republicans who won unexpectedly in the last election give up their wins?
How is it that such wide-spread election fraud was executed SOLELY in the Presidential vote?
I posit that your definition of Election Fraud is simply any election in which your candidate loses.
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@bi4smooth A lot of that had to do with fraud in the RINO faction that paid for these machines, who don't want to be exposed for taking money to use fraudulent machines. People you are talking good about, like Mitt Romney and John McCain, who operate a ballot harvesting scheme. There is so much evidence, I have no doubt the Supreme Court will have to vote 9-0.
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@manhandler said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
@bi4smooth A lot of that had to do with fraud in the RINO faction that paid for these machines, who don't want to be exposed for taking money to use fraudulent machines. People you are talking good about, like Mitt Romney and John McCain, who operate a ballot harvesting scheme. There is so much evidence, I have no doubt the Supreme Court will have to vote 9-0.
John McCain (who died in 2018) was truly instrumental in perpetrating the fraud of the 2020 election! So were Joan of Arc and Hippocrates! And don't get me started on the crazy shit Julius Caesar pulled in that one!
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We discussed that there was an election that was completely thrown out due to fraud, but they kept the Presidential election results. It was in NJ, from memory.
You gave us some crack-headed mental gymnastics to justify the "logic" behind that.
Likewise, you gave us the same sort of "logic" to justify the about a dozen Dems who fought the election results, while slagging off Trump.
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@raphjd said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
We discussed that there was an election that was completely thrown out due to fraud, but they kept the Presidential election results. It was in NJ, from memory.
You gave us some crack-headed mental gymnastics to justify the "logic" behind that.
Likewise, you gave us the same sort of "logic" to justify the about a dozen Dems who fought the election results, while slagging off Trump.
So, that's different:
- the election results were challenged before anyone took office
- Proof of fraud was provided to, and acknowledged by the Court
- the election was a municipal one - held in August - there were no Presidential candidates on the ballot
But most importantly: the fraud here was pretty easily caught... that there are people who ATTEMPT to vote fraudulently is not news... Trump isn't just making the claim that there were millions of fraudulent ballots - but that they were so sophisticated that they were undetected (in spite of large numbers of ballots around the country that were thrown out in the original election counting - because the fraud detection efforts of Elections Supervisors around the country largely worked.)
I reiterate: the only significant loss by Republicans in 2020 was Trump - and it's his own fault! In his hubris, he made it a referendum on him - PERSONALLY! Not a referendum on Republican policies - which, around the country - in state after state - WON THE DAY!
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Russia stole the election in 2020, but what the election commission lead by Carter and Baker said would lead to massive voter fraud didn't.
If an entire election was so fraudulent that the entire thing had to be re-run, when did the liberal district only exclude re-running the presidential part where they got the result they wanted?
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@raphjd said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
Russia stole the election in 2020, but what the election commission lead by Carter and Baker said would lead to massive voter fraud didn't.
Russia stole the election in 2020? Yes, there was Russian Interference - just as there was in 2016... and their preferred candidate in 2020 was the same as it was in 2016: Trump.
But interference isn't the same thing as "stealing" an election.
You're sounding like the Democrats in 2017... only this time YOUR guy (gal?) is the one on the losing end... interference doesn't rise to the level (then or now) of "altering the outcome".
The Chinese and Iranians also interfered in the 2020 elections (taking a page from the Russians in 2016)... they also preferred Trump! BUT all of that "interference" can't be shown to have actually altered a single voter's vote.
If an entire election was so fraudulent that the entire thing had to be re-run, when did the liberal district only exclude re-running the presidential part where they got the result they wanted?
There may or may-not be a legal basis for re-running an election in a State-run election... but you forget that the Federal election of President and Vice-President isn't made by the people... it's made by the Electoral College.
- The vote was public (televised) - even if interrupted by the insurrection attempt
- The vote was certified
- The winners have been sworn into office
- All performed as designated by the Constitution
At this point, there are only 4 ways to get rid of Biden before his term ends:
- death (by any means, natural or otherwise)
- impeachment (by the House) and conviction (by the Senate)
- Section 3 of the 25th Amendment (he temporarily or permanently resigns)
- Section 4 of the 25th Amendment (he is temporarily or permanently deemed unable to serve)
And *regardless of which of the 3 methods occurs, under Section 1 of the 25th Amendment, Kamala Harris becomes President (your cure is demonstrably worse than the disease!).
The selection and installation of the President is defined by the US Constitution - not State law, not Federal law... and there can be all the "buyer's remorse" you want - once the Electoral College vote is certified, there are no "take backs" - whether by fraud, miscount, or any other reason.
"Reinstatement" of Trump as President (by any means other than election to a new term) is....
Pure Fantasy
If you really want to get morbid: Thanks to the precedent set by Trump's term (that a sitting President cannot be charged with a crime), Kamala Harris could walk up to Biden in a televised press conference, and in front of 200 million viewers, literally shoot Biden in the head (e.g. commit 1st degree murder on TV), and be sworn in as President 2 minutes later.
There would be no arrest or criminal trial while she was President, and if she wasn't removed from office by one of those 4 ways above, she would serve out the remainder of Biden's term. She couldn't be charged with his murder until she left office.... potentially in 2028!
Presumably, the House and Senate would act to remove her, and she would be charged then... but if it was some kind of orchestrated coup, and that didn't happen... there'd be nothing (under Law) that could be done until she was no longer President!
This sh*t is so much easier to understand if you just take the time to learn how the system actually works (read the US Constitution - it's really not that long!), instead of listening to people complain and speculate about how they think it should work...
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You seriously need to stop sniffing Pelosi's panties.
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@raphjd said in AZ Lawmaker tells Garland that he BETTER NOT touch AZ ballots.:
You seriously need to stop sniffing Pelosi's panties.
The Democrats spent a good part of 2017-18, and virtually ALL of 2019 trying to prove that Trump's win in 2016 was illegitimate.
At no point did they presume that, in proving that he cheated (with the Russians, or wherever), anyone other than Mike Pence would become President.
They were persistent and overreaching - even desperate - but they weren't delusional.
Remove Biden for any reason, and you get Harris. There is nothing - anywhere, any-how - that would provide for Trump being put back into office.... with the single exception being the natural one: that he wins in a different election: 2024, 2028, or whenever.
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@bi4smooth Constitutionally written, he would have to wait until 2022, however, fraud vitiates everything, and becomes null and void, and the election can be decertified. Fraud is one of those common sense things that doesn't need to be written in the Constitution, like "People have the right to breath air." The remedy is written and implied in the 9th and 10th Amendments.
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I demand that you show where I have ever said that Trump will become President if the audit proves total election fraud. If you weren't such a liberal, I have said that nothing at this point would put Trump back in office, in relation to the 2020 election.
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