Definition of Fascism
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There were alot of fascist movements before the 2000s, mostly during the 20th century, and lord were they awful. Where I come from, there were all these smaller governments/individuals trying to gain power, and it fucked the country up.
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Previously fascists admitted they are fascists and had the courage to show their faces.
Now the fascists pretend to be anti-fascists and hide their faces.
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So why being antifascist is terrorism for Trump and republicans?
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So why being antifascist is terrorism for Trump and republicans?
That's a dumb question. Antifa is not Antifascist. There are many words used to portray something, which actually mean the opposite. I'm sure you've come across such words in your life. "Fas" is the root word for "God's Law." Meaning the Axe is God. In the Congress, right behind speaker Pelosi are two 9 foot tall "fascis." It's the symbol for a bundle of birch rods tied together with a hatchet head. Fascist symbols are right in front of your face. "Jus" is the root word for Man's Law. Justice. We have a bit of a paradox. How can you have Justice with Fascism ever so present and in your face and you don't even see it? That's to answer the title of this subject, "Definition of Fascism." It's in contradistinction to Man's Law, the Constitution.
So to answer your question about "antifascist" (Antifa) being designated as a terrorist organization. It's self-evident.
And to add a point to other comments made on this thread in regard to Proud Boys… There leader is a black hispanic guy, so why would a bunch of white supremacists join an organization led by a black guy? Because they're military, and in the armed forces, those are your brothers. They are chauvanists, but being white supremacist is ridiculous. You can't just throw around the race card anymore. Listen to both sides, listen to their leader, and be a good judge. Justice is only served when you listen to both sides. None of you have listened to what their black hispanic leader has to say, and therefore, I say you're leaning more towards fascism, because you're only listening to one side. They don't tolerate racism or sexual orientation discrimination. I don't see any reason to believe they've raped, murdered, called someone the N word... anything. Do you got something? Maybe a video of one of their members using the N word...?
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Fascist of the 1930s and the last 20 years are exactly the same, except modern fascists hide their faces.
Both use(d) the exact same tactics and reasons for their actions, with a slight twist in the exact words.
Look at 1930s photos of fascists in action, then compare them to antifa and BLM in action. It's shocking how they are almost exactly the same.
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I'll also add that Trump designated both Antifa AND the KKK as terrorist organizations. They're terrorist organizations because they terrorize people. You can't look at the videos of Antifa and say they aren't violent. They're burning buildings with people inside (including CNN's HQ in Atlanta). They're assaulting people daily. They're murdering people who see things differently. They're looting small businesses (many owned by black people in their own community). They're torturing people (like the guy who was tied up for days). They're destroying businesses, government buildings, and churches. They're destroying vehicles and homes (rights are derived from property) and even in Austin they burned a homeless man's bed who happened to live where they met under a bridge downtown. They're rioting and blocking commerce (traffic). They do not respect people's rights, and they are not peaceful. End of discussion. Anyone claiming otherwise is just coocoo. The idea that you don't get it… when it's self evident shows that you are very low IQ. It's a dumb question.
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Oh yes, and I think that of the 37 cities where the rioting is going on, 34 are in proximity to important federal government property. They're getting rid of the property owners in patterns, in opportunity zones, on certain streets. Catherine Austin Fits goes into that, showing maps. Look her up, but not on Google.
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LOL at this thread… it always cracks me up when people with no reading comprehension bring up definitions to formulate an "argument".
Btw how can someone be a moderator of the boards and create threads that do not welcome any discussion but are flat out inflammatory?
It is the equivalent of a left-leaning moderator creating a thread just to state that the right in general is made up of racist, misogynist, god-fearing lunatics.
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Once again, a liberal who can't point out how I am wrong.
Also, there's plenty of discussions here, which is why there are 3 pages.
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Umm, fascism didn't kill jews as that was the wrong country. The National Socialists (sound familiar) of Germany killed them.
Modern fascism is what we see from antifa and liberals. They set an occupied building on fire because they didn't want someone to give a talk. A professor smashed at least 11 people over the head with his bike lock. They attacked an older driver because he didn't bow and scrape to them when they decided to shut down the city. Antifa has used violence to get their way.
This is a common misunderstanding from those who didn’t study the history of the rise of the Nazi party.
It was labelled a socialist party in name… but it was not one in action or creed. It was a right-wing party. Always was. But you really have to have looked into it more than just looking at the name to know this - or examine what they did (which were all typically right-wing actions).
This sort of thing gets confusing as people on the extremes (far right or far left) are often very similar in action, but different in creed. They do the same things all the time - but claim it’s for a different reason.
And liberal or conservative - is another misnomer. In the U.K. you have liberal conservatives - and they are the most right-wing. In the USA, you conflate liberal with left-wing. It’s really no where near this simple - and trying to discuss it in this way makes it meaningless. So it’s pointless - and I would encourage you to desist.
Also, if you really want people to come here and debate you guys, then you’ll need to be more open to having that debate. Atm, you’re not. It’s clear that’s the case from reading only a few of the most interacted with posts. Indeed, you’ll say now that this is a dig at you (an ad hominem attack) - but it’s not. I’m not attacking you to disprove your argument - I’m explaining why people don’t bother to come here or bother with you. If you truly want that to change, then you need to first change the only thing you can: yourself. Until then, most people (even if they could prove you wrong over and over again) simply won’t bother. You’re not worth their time.
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Once again, a liberal who can't point out how I am wrong.
Also, there's plenty of discussions here, which is why there are 3 pages.
Learn how to use a dictionary first.
Its funny though that you accuse me (and others in this thread) of not being able to refute your claim and just name-call you while your OP is exactly that: name calling.
I've been in plenty of forums where political discussion thrives much more than the 3 pages you are happy about (mind you, its 3 pages in the span of 2 years, man).
It does not change the fact that most of your comments on anything political is an aggressive generalizing rant against whatever you define as "the left".
Pretty much the bottom of the barrel when it comes to political discussions.
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Have a read through the entire section and see what is said and by who.
Liberals refused to call out their own for the violence and when I finally convinced a few to do it, they got shit all over by their fellow liberals.
Liberals are calling for tribunals to punish Trump supporters. Even before the election, they were calling for communist-style re-education camps.
Let's not forget that your side has done nothing but call my side every IST and PHOBE there is, plus many other names.
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Have a read through the entire section and see what is said and by who.
Liberals refused to call out their own for the violence and when I finally convinced a few to do it, they got shit all over by their fellow liberals.
Liberals are calling for tribunals to punish Trump supporters. Even before the election, they were calling for communist-style re-education camps.
Let's not forget that your side has done nothing but call my side every IST and PHOBE there is, plus many other names.
Ok… I don't really have the time to go back through every post... but I think you make my point for me beautifully.
Some Trump supporters are racists - not all Trump supporters are racists. These statements can (and are) both true.
Some Liberals are calling for tribunals to punish Trump supporters (not seen this myself, but I can imagine some people have done this) - not all Liberals think that tribunals need to be called to punish Trump supporters. Again, both these statements can be (and are) true.
To use a broad brush approach to your opposition is - pointless. It can be disproven super easily... and stifles conversation, not improves it. This is the case for anyone who does it - regardless of their political or social leanings.
So... I can see you're particularly upset about some violence you have had done to you or have perceived to have done to you... or believe has been done to others from those who you think of as 'Liberals'. I don't know terribly much about these incidents, so if you go through and explain to me how you see it as having happened, I'll take a look and give my view on it.
I have seen posts by some... let's just say, well-meaning but not very clever... people calling for re-education camps. I understand why those people think that's something that should be done, but... I think everyone can agree... it's not. A good solid education would be good to see being given to all USA's citizens - but that's to advance them well in life. Education systems do not teach liberal beliefs exclusively - indeed at university level (certainly in the courses I've ever been in) the tutors are at pains to attempt to present all sides equally and encourage the students to form their own opinions, based on evidence, which they can rigorously defend against challenge. This is a key tenant of university-level education. It is also the item most noticeably absent from those without a university education - most of the time (not always, some learn it through their life experience). And even then, belief can sometimes trump reason - and override that training... such that some people still believe things which are demonstrably untrue. Sadly some people who are anti-Trump are not as well trained as this - and so fall into the same errors of thinking and logic that other no-to-Trump people can see him making.
But none of this means that 'Liberals' are all like this. That's a failure of logic. I could forgive you for saying: "all the Liberals I have met and known are like this" - but that would be, by your own admission I'm sure, an unrepresentative sample size and... meaningless.
I don't particularly like taking sides in things, often finding that working through disagreements ends up with a better overall solution. But for the sake of your view - that 'one side has called you and your group every IST and PHOBE' name there is... again, this shouldn't be a brush to tar everyone with, just because there are a large number of those exact people in the group to which you feel you belong. I, personally, could not stand to be amongst them because I am not one of any of those things - and don't put up with being around people of that sort. But that does not mean everyone who does support the same person as those people, is also a whatever it is the others are. eg: you might be a Trump supporter, but I will go by what you do and say to determine if you are a racist or whatever else. I've not interacted with you long enough to know yet.
BUT - you do have a tendency, which is unhelpful to your thinking, of labelling everyone else and tarring them with the same brush... just as some of them do to you. You have made the same error of logic. So... if you want that to NOT happen to you... my suggestion would be to NOT do it to anyone else. And no, resulting to that just because someone else has done it is... not a good enough excuse, as I'm sure you know (and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have worked with your parents either... "but he/she did it first!").
So if you want to actually engage in conversation - start with finding out why about something that you are finding difficult... not reacting in the same way.
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I agree with the previous post, like, people have different opinions and views, even if they're very odd or similar. Sometimes these terms and definitions get thrown around so much they portray a group as negative or positive.
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That's the problem, you don't know anything about what is going on or has gone on. As you said, you don't have time to educate yourself on it. That is the problem.
Liberals are extremely low information people. They don't know anything outside of what MSM tells them. You guys should ditch your normal news outlets and watch YouTube to get your news. There are plenty of news outlets there that source their materials quite well.
Your media outlets are omitting things that make your side look bad, so you never, ever hear about it except in places like this.
As an example, everyone knows who Dylan Roof is, but virtually no one knows who Emanuel Samson is. They both did the exact same thing with the same outcome. The only difference is the races are switched. Emanuel Samson is black and shot up a white church in a racist hissy fit. He also survived this arrest. Dylan Roof is the poster boy for "white privilege" because he killed a bunch of people and survived his arrest.
It justified saying that all liberals are the same when you people refuse to call out your side's bad behavior.
LOL, you really must have your head buried in the sand. Universities are cesspits of liberal indoctrination.
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That's the problem, you don't know anything about what is going on or has gone on. As you said, you don't have time to educate yourself on it. That is the problem.
Liberals are extremely low information people. They don't know anything outside of what MSM tells them. You guys should ditch your normal news outlets and watch YouTube to get your news. There are plenty of news outlets there that source their materials quite well.
Your media outlets are omitting things that make your side look bad, so you never, ever hear about it except in places like this.
As an example, everyone knows who Dylan Roof is, but virtually no one knows who Emanuel Samson is. They both did the exact same thing with the same outcome. The only difference is the races are switched. Emanuel Samson is black and shot up a white church in a racist hissy fit. He also survived this arrest. Dylan Roof is the poster boy for "white privilege" because he killed a bunch of people and survived his arrest.
It justified saying that all liberals are the same when you people refuse to call out your side's bad behavior.
LOL, you really must have your head buried in the sand. Universities are cesspits of liberal indoctrination.
Yet more baseless and misrepresentative statements… let's try on what you like doing to you:
right-wing, alt-right zealots are typically low information people who don't understand anything, aren't very well educated and believe in every conspiracy theory spouted by every non-credible person they come across but don't believe anything from anyone credible... because... reasons...
Would you like me to treat you as if you're just another of these uneducated, racist, right-wing nutters? Or would you like me to continue to treat you as a sensible person who can have a reasoned debate from different points of view?
If you want to continue to badly characterise the opposing view points, then I'm really not sure why anyone would bother with you. You simply aren't worth the time if you aren't able to have a more nuanced conversation.
I get a lot of my news from YouTube - but I know how to vet my sources. Sources who don't produce the sources of their own information are scrapped. Sources who don't produce reliable reporting, are scrapped. Sources who are not very intelligent... are scrapped. I also try and listen to sources of information from views I don't ascribe to, to make sure I'm not trapped in an echo chamber.
Do you do all these things too? Or do you just believe in whatever you hear that you happen to agree with??
I am very happy to condemn people on either side who have done awful things. What Emanuel Samson did is awful. But you're wrong (again) for saying that race is the only difference between the two people. That's... an incredibly naive thing to claim... and so easy to disprove it's almost childish. Did they have the same parents? Same upbringing? Live in the same country their whole lives? Go to the same schools? Have the same teachers? Think the exact same way, just have different colour skin? Clearly... no.
It is NEVER justified to make the claim that everyone other than you is all the same... particularly when you complain so vociferously about people doing the exact same thing to you. You are either going to be better - or you're going to be the same as they are. Which is it?
And... can I ask... have you been to University? What did you study?
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Hey, you admitted you weren't interested in reading the threads here to educate yourself.
If you claim to watch news from YouTube, then you should have some sort of idea about liberals advocating tribunals, blacklists, and whatnot to punish conservatives.
I am very happy to condemn people on either side who have done awful things. What Emanuel Samson did is awful. But you're wrong (again) for saying that race is the only difference between the two people. That's… an incredibly naive thing to claim... and so easy to disprove it's almost childish. Did they have the same parents? Same upbringing? Live in the same country their whole lives? Go to the same schools? Have the same teachers? Think the exact same way, just have different colour skin? Clearly... no.
Typical liberal deflecting from what I was saying.
You didn't hear about him because he is black and shot up a white church in a racist hissy fit. MSM didn't cover it because it doesn't advance the liberal agenda.
If he was another Dylan Roof (aka white racist), then everyone would know his name.
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Hey, you admitted you weren't interested in reading the threads here to educate yourself.
If you claim to watch news from YouTube, then you should have some sort of idea about liberals advocating tribunals, blacklists, and whatnot to punish conservatives.
I am very happy to condemn people on either side who have done awful things. What Emanuel Samson did is awful. But you're wrong (again) for saying that race is the only difference between the two people. That's… an incredibly naive thing to claim... and so easy to disprove it's almost childish. Did they have the same parents? Same upbringing? Live in the same country their whole lives? Go to the same schools? Have the same teachers? Think the exact same way, just have different colour skin? Clearly... no.
Typical liberal deflecting from what I was saying.
You didn't hear about him because he is black and shot up a white church in a racist hissy fit. MSM didn't cover it because it doesn't advance the liberal agenda.
If he was another Dylan Roof (aka white racist), then everyone would know his name.
Typical right-wing lack of understanding, misrepresentation and misquoting…
And again incorrect (wow... you really don't have people checking you very often, do you?).
What I said was that I don't have time to read through all the posts on this forum. You can check - it's in black and white for you, just a few posts up. Rather different from not being interested. Please do not misrepresent what I say to suit your own agenda - I will make you look silly if you do. And I would prefer to have an adult conversation about these things.
I do indeed claim to watch NEWS from YouTube... not spurious nonsense claims made by conspiracy theorists. So no, I've come across no NEWS to the nature of what you're claiming. I still think there are likely to be people like that out there - but not newsworthy. A few people being silly is hardly worthy of my attention... there are so many silly people out there.
Nor are they something that could or should be used to demonise a group of people from which you don't agree with. That's lazy and childish.
I'm not deflecting at all from what you're saying - I'm taking what you're saying and showing you there is significant nuance to it that you're not representing, simply because you want to make your point. I've warned others of this in the past and I will warn you of it to: do that to me and I will pick apart your point relentlessly until you're proven to be wrong so clearly it's inescapable for anyone to not notice. Up to you... but I would strongly encourage you to come up with better arguments.
I have heard of Emanuel Samson. I'm not sure why you think I haven't... I do condemn him for what he did (revenge for racial injustice is not good cause to harm others - and certainly not murder others). But if you think revenge for injustice is the same as racial hatred... then you are misguided at best, or being willfully ignorant at worst. All the articles I can see from a simple google search on Emanuel Samson are on normal main stream media outlets... I don't know why you think it wasn't (this is super easy to disprove your claim... just Google his name...).
And why has Dylan Roof become more well known? Well, it's probably for a number of reasons - none of them because he was white and not black. I can think of 2 reasons right off the bat:
1. It was a racially motivated attack... which is much more hated by the general populace than a 'revenge for racial prejudice' attack...
2. He killed 9 people instead of 1... (mass murderer instead of 'just' a murderer)
There are probably more, but I'm a good representative for what others will no doubt see of the same two crimes. -
So, tweets from liberals themselves, not just "conspiracy theories", hasn't been something you have seen. HUH.
As I said, liberals are low information. They don't know anything unless Rachel Maddow and the like tell them.
You are laughable.
Dylan Roof became infamous because he was white and shot up a black church.
Emanuel Samson didn't get the same notoriety because he was black and shot up a white church.
MSM rarely covers black on white crime. It's because they want to portray blacks as the victims in everything.
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So, tweets from liberals themselves, not just "conspiracy theories", hasn't been something you have seen. HUH.
As I said, liberals are low information. They don't know anything unless Rachel Maddow and the like tell them.
You are laughable.
Dylan Roof became infamous because he was white and shot up a black church.
Emanuel Samson didn't get the same notoriety because he was black and shot up a white church.
MSM rarely covers black on white crime. It's because they want to portray blacks as the victims in everything.
Your first sentence either doesn't make sense or is meaningless… mind trying again?
Again, right-wing conservatives are uneducated and so don't know how to put together sentences... they also don't understand difficult arguments that have nuance and complexity to them... they're just not very intelligent people who like to pretend they have 'the truth' on their side, all the time whilst pointing to nonsense and conspiracy theories...
So you disagree with me... and your way of disproving my points is... to state your same argument again... right...
So... as that seems to be the way you think you can convince others that you're right, here's what I wrote again for you:
And why has Dylan Roof become more well known? Well, it's probably for a number of reasons - none of them because he was white and not black. I can think of 2 reasons right off the bat:
1. It was a racially motivated attack... which is much more hated by the general populace than a 'revenge for racial prejudice' attack...
2. He killed 9 people instead of 1... (mass murderer instead of 'just' a murderer)
There are probably more, but I'm a good representative for what others will no doubt see of the same two crimes.Please do provide me the research that shows that black crimes against white people are less reported in all the main news outlets than white crimes against black people. I would love to see that! I've done a good-old-Google search and can find loads of times when black people committing crimes are reported there... and I can find loads of times when white people have committed crimes against black people. So I expect this huge piece of research to be quite a massive undertaking... I really look forward to you sharing those results with me!
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