UK liberals and nationalists - why I hate them
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Child molesters like you need to call people "racist" and "alt-right" because you have nothing else.
See how that works.
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oh my god is calling me a child molester the best you can do? really very pathetic of you. seems like you want to accuse me of insulting you when its exactly the opposite. childish.
the point i was trying to make is that racist are bad at understanding other people by definition. its cute however that you admit that racist and alt right is something you dont like to be called.
Child molesters like you need to call people "racist" and "alt-right" because you have nothing else.
See how that works.
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If you could read, you would have understood the point I was making. Clearly you are dumber than I thought.
The only "argument" you have is to call your enemies "racist", "alt-right", etc, etc, etc. That is what I don't like. You cant have an honest discussion so you resort to the liberal debate tactics.
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ah, the obvious lies of the alt right people! most people would not try to argue that personal attacks and attempted insults is not the same as "makiing a point". instead it makes you seem ridiculous and naive.
no i mean i like that you consider it an insult to be called alt right and racist, because both are in my opinion really quite bad. but my point is that psyhologically and mentally, racists havent really developed a well functioning understanding of other people, and even if thats quite sad its also fascinating.
If you could read, you would have understood the point I was making. Clearly you are dumber than I thought.
The only "argument" you have is to call your enemies "racist", "alt-right", etc, etc, etc. That is what I don't like. You cant have an honest discussion so you resort to the liberal debate tactics.
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But see, you are a child molester because I dont like what you say.
While it may not be the words you use, its exactly what you do.
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the difference is that you being racist alt right neo nazi is way more feasible based on your opinions here on the forum than randomly calling someone a child molester out of nowhere. you really are ridiculous and naive if you cant spot the difference.
But see, you are a child molester because I dont like what you say.
While it may not be the words you use, its exactly what you do.
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Of course, it is, because you're a liberal.
Let's not forget that it's liberals who are trying to make child molester socially acceptable. What's the new name you guys came up for them? MAP; Minor Attracted Person.
Oh, and how can I be racist, I'm against mostly white Europeans. "Hating" white people can't be racist, or don't you know your own religion?
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hahaha youre really insane if you think being liberal is the same as wanting to make child molestation socially acceptable. its even more insane than the people who extrapolate gay marriage to bestiality. youre making this discussion ridiculous.
@raphjd:Of course, it is, because you're a liberal.
Let's not forget that it's liberals who are trying to make child molester socially acceptable. What's the new name you guys came up for them? MAP; Minor Attracted Person.
Oh, and how can I be racist, I'm against mostly white Europeans. "Hating" white people can't be racist, or don't you know your own religion?
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It's not conservatives that made up MAP and defending child molesters.
If you get to call me all those names, then I get to call you a child molester. Fair is fair.
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again, i love how you pretend to act offended by being called out for being alt right neo nazi racist, and how the only response you can imagine is to call liberals child molesters. its very cute but also quite insane.
@raphjd:It's not conservatives that made up MAP and defending child molesters.
If you get to call me all those names, then I get to call you a child molester. Fair is fair.
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If you can sling names, so can I.
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Not sure why you equate calling racist alt right neo nazi racist alt right neo nazi, based on their expressed opinions here on this forum, with slinging completely randomly generated insults without any feasible basis.
If you can sling names, so can I.
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I think ti's time for you to go away as you have nothing of importance to say other than to repeat your liberal crap.
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if anything is off topic here is your boring insults… while i still believe that youre a racist alt right neo nazi it is at least based on what youve posted here on this forum. youre just being random.@raphjd:
I think ti's time for you to go away as you have nothing of importance to say other than to repeat your liberal crap.
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Its liberal media that has pro-child molester articles.
It's liberals that invented the term MAP (Minor Attracted Person).
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In the UK, it's wonderful to be a nationalist (Scottish, Welsh, NI), unless you are an English nationalist. If you are an English nationalist, you are literally worse than Hitler. The other "countries" in the UK get to celebrate their patron's day, but England can't because being proud to be English makes you an IST.
You inflate the issue massively. The Daily Mail would have you believe that hanging the saint Georges cross will have you hung, drawn and quartered. Not true. If you want an example of blatant English nationalism, just wait for international football.
NI, Scottish and Welsh nationalists, despite wanting to leave the UK, want to force the UK to remain in the EU. Quite hypocritical, I must say. If you want to leave the UK, then work on that, not on trying to force the UK to stay in the EU.
Scotland voted in favour of remaining in the UK, partly because it guaranteed they would remain in the EU. pre 2016, the idea of a welsh exit was near unthinkable - they've been tied to England for time immemorial. An Irish exit would shatter the GFA. Then Brexit happened. We, the English, are now forcing the smaller countries out of the EU - why? Because we outnumber them. You can see why nationalists might be annoyed. They have every right to make their view heard, just as much as Brexit supporters do.
I just watched a Welsh nationalist on Channel 4 (I think) and he's adamant that the UK must stay in the EU while talking about independence. He also blamed Westminster for absolutely everything, even the stuff that is devolved.
Scotland is the same. Everything is Westminster's fault, even when the issue is devolved. The SNP have been in power for 12 years, yet they can't/won't pass an all party supported parking bill, an issue that has been devolved from the start. They also blame Westminster for welfare, despite it being devolved for 3 years and the SNP declaring that Holyrood WON'T take it over until at least 2024 at the earliest. Oddly, Holyrood raised income taxes to bolster welfare, but since they don't deal with welfare, they haven't told us what they are doing with the extra money.
I can't really speak for the views of a single welsh nationalist in an interview i haven't seen. The SNP and the parking bill is their own issue, and nothing to do with opposition to English nationalism. Their screw up with the welfare system is the same - I've seen no evidence of blame being placed upon Westminster, unless you're talking about complaints of the UK welfare system in general. Even the English blame Westminster for that - It's a genuine complaint over a system plagued with problems.
The Labour Party is lead by Jeremy Corbyn, who hasn't met a terrorist he hasn't worshipped. He was a staunch anti-EUer, but recently he decided he loves the EU. The Labour Party is a jew hating party since Corbyn took over, but it was there under the surface before that.
Corbyn leads a democratic party subject to the will of its members. Whatever his view on the EU, it's his job to represent the party. He can offer directions, but its the labour party members who are driving. The current labour stance on Brexit? voted for by labour members. As for anti-semitism, its clearly a problem within the party, and one that they've been criticised for failing to tackle or for tackling too slowly, but it has nothing to do with liberalism or nationalism, so i'll leave that point there.
Watching anything on Brexit and the TV networks are extremely biased. The BBC is by far the worst, but Channel 4 is very close behind them. The BBC political show Question Time has had to hosts over the last 4 years and both are staunch remainers. They have 5 panel guests and 4 are always remain and 5th person is about 75% of the of the time a Brexiteer, but 25% of the time a remainer.
Discussions about Brexit are always the same. Remainers demonize Brexiteers, like Trump supporters in the US. They use the shotgun defense loaded with so many lies that there isn't time on TV/radio shows to debunk all of them.
Bias exists on both sides in the media. I rarely watch Question Time and i don't watch C4 so i cant answer for those specifically. The Media attempt to report what happens, and particularly with interviews, will try to present an opposing view. Else we'd just be watching politicians parroting their view over and over - they have to ask questions, get their interviewees to prove the points their making, point out holes in arguments and reveal consequences of their decisions. These are our public servants and shouldn't be allowed a free ride. With the consequences of some of the governments actions being potentially explosive, its right that they're scrutinised in the press. The opposition isn't immune to this, but the governments actions are frankly more news-worthy. Boris potentially breaking the law in a little over a week is more newsworthy than divisions in the opposition. so it gets more screen time and more column inches. This may appear biased but i assure you, if the opposition were planning to break the law to get Brexit through, it'd get much more attention.
Remainers demonize Brexiteers. Been called a traitor lately? It exists on both sides. Its an incredibly divisive issue and tempers are fraying. On. Both. Sides. You have some gall to mention liars in the remain side when the leave campaign was rife with them. What were the odds of no-deal? Wheres my £350 million?
If you listen to liberals, I have my LGBT rights thanks to the EU, which is total bullshit. The EU has not LGBT rights laws and allows member states to discriminate against LGBTs, as long as it doesn't violate the Human Rights laws.
I've never heard this stated before. Ever. Anyone worth listening to could point to numerous acts of the UK parliment which have cemented LGBT rights in this country.
The EU makes me fund, through taxes, animal blood "sports" like bullfighting and dog fighting because it's "cultural". I fucking despise animal abuse, but the cunts in the EU force me to fund it. Liberals turn a blind eye to this while praising the EU.
The EU is by no means a perfect institution. The best way to prevent this would be to affect change and reform from within rather than bugger off. There are plenty of examples of where my tax money goes that i'd rather it didn't. It doesn't hit the same headlines as animal cruelty, but my tax money goes to HS2 - I don't care half a shit about it. And yet i pay. Democracy sucks when people who disagree with your view also have a say right?
The so-called "tampon tax" is mandated by the EU. Under EU VAT rules, necessity items are taxed at 5%. Only a few things, mostly about babies, are tax exempt. Liberals, like always, ignore this, while praising the EU and demonizing nation states.
Assuming we are still in the EU by 2022, we will be able to put a 0% tax rate on tampons. Not as fast as you or I might like, but as i say the EU is not a perfect institution. Had we been participating in matters with the EU rather than attempting to have our cake and eat it, we might have got it done sooner.
Of course, the UK also has the violent thugs who beat up anyone they think disagrees with them. Thankfully, it's not as bad the US. There's the idiots that want everything to be free without being able to explain how things will be paid for.
Yes violence is bad. on this we can agree. As for idiots who want everything given to them for free - Anyone with any sense knows this is impossible - it has nothing to do with being a liberal or nationalist.
Also, like in the US, UK liberals want open borders with everyone having the imaginary utopia of a living wage, by just having the rich pay for everything. The idiots refuse to accept the several studies that show that if we took every penny from the "rich" it wouldn't even pay the national debt, let alone fund the on going bills.
Open borders? No. Inviting borders - yes. Nobody expects the rich to pay for everything. If you believe this, you're an idiot.
Likewise, as we recently saw in New York state, they have £27 million for illegal kids to go to college, among many other things, but only have $2.7 million for the kids of fallen soldiers and fallen first responders. The woman that headed the committee that put the bill forward, said she regrets that there wasn't anymore money of those who served the US and the state, but this (funding illegals) was a priority. Likewise, Montel Williams' charity had to buy an old manor house estate and convert it into a rehab for disabled UK soldiers, back when Labour was running the country.
What does NY have to do with UK liberals/Nationalists? I know nothing of Montys charity work, but i suspect he chose to set up help for disabled UK soldiers, as many charities do for many causes. Again, what does this have to do with UK nationalists/liberals?
Your entire post reads like an angry rant from a confused pensioner crossed with the stressful temper tantrum of an over emotional toddler.
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Maybe you should watch Question Time and Ch4. Maybe you should be on Twitter and Facebook. MPs from Labour and LibDems, as well as others frequently demonize anyone who displays the St George cross. I don't remember exactly who, but it was a female MP who tweeted a picture of a house with a couple of St George cross flags flying and she called them something like white trash.
Football gets a pass.
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I live in Scotland, and I voted to stay solely because I'm a unionist, as is my husband and most of our friends. We all pretty much hate the EU.
Scotland is part of a union, which is something they forget when it comes to losing votes.
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Its not just a single Welsh nationalist. Its a theme with all nationalists. Nationalists was to be a separate country, while also wanting to force England to remain in the EU because it would benefit them.
The SNP blames absolutely everything on Westminster. As i said before, welfare was devolved, but the SNP refused to take it over until 2024 at the earliest, despite raising taxes to bolster welfare. They spend countless hours a day bitching about welfare, even though they refused to take it over. I wrote to my MSP about it and all she does, as usual, is spout the party line blaming Westminster for everything. Of course, she didn't say anything about the tax increase to bolster welfare and what that money is being used for, since Scotland doesn't do it's own welfare.
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I noticed you didn't respond to the top 3 in the Labour party being terrorist lovers. There's plenty more if you get out of the top 5.
Labour's platform is open borders and free stuff for everyone and the rich will pay for it all. Its very much like AOC and the Squad's plan.
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I wouldn't have a problem if it was like Counter Point (is it still on i the US?), where the interviewer played devil's advocate and everyone knows that.
Im talking about shows that are loaded with remainers, including the host. There was a semi recent thing where they interviewed 5 remainers, but no leavers.
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Clearly, you never watch debates, discussion on TV, internet or whatever.
The EU requires that ALL citizen retain basic human rights. This is the bare minimum required for criminals.
I shouldn't have to hold your hand with the stuff the UK gives us, like marriage. Marriage isn't a human right for gays in the EU, despite it being a human right for heteros. We are included in anti-discrimination laws, unlike in the EU.
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There's a huge moral difference between animal blood "sports" and a useless high speed train.
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We have been in the EU for 45 years and it only gets worse.
You defense of "fix it from within" is like the old fashion justification for staying in an abusive relationship. We tried that, it was no use, so it's time to leave.
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As for the tampon tax, I was mostly talking about how liberals claim its a UK thing and nothing to do with the utopian EU.
Remainers seem to be incapable to understand that the EU does bad things.
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Its the liberals on both sides of the pond that want free shit for everyone.
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I agree with sensible borders.
We cant have a bunch of people flood a country (any country) and jump on their welfare system and expect that country to survive. Nor should we import people with no money or skills, when we can't take care of our own, like Scotland did. Last year (maybe 2017), Scotland was able to find 2,000 houses for 3rd worlders, despite officially having 38,000 homeless, which Shelter estimated was closer to 42,000.
Labour, LibDem and Greens want open borders. They want to end checks to see if a person is eligible (citizen, right to remain, etc) for welfare.
The SNP wants "mostly open borders", but when they explain it, it sounds exactly like open borders.
Democrats in the US switch in 2015 to be for border security, to be for open borders. As President, Obama even signed into law several hundred million to be used to put up more border fences. Democrats overwhelmingly voted in favor of it. Now they are 100% opposed to any border fence.
Justin Trudeau's part in Canada wants open borders.
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NY city and state are LIBERAL. That's the link. LIBERAL
Like the UK under Tony Blair, there's no money for vets and first responders, but there's money to allow people from other countries to come and jump on our welfare system.
Montel Williams did what Tony Blair refused to do, help disabled UK vets, despite being from a different country. Tony Blair sent them to war, then ignored them when they came back disabled.
Democrats in the US are similar to Tony Blair and current liberals. They ignore the disabled vets and first responders, while providing money for non-citizens.
California has plenty of cash for illegals, but none for the homeless. They spend more money on cleaning up shit and dirty needles, then they do on the homeless.
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Maybe you should watch Question Time and Ch4. Maybe you should be on Twitter and Facebook. MPs from Labour and LibDems, as well as others frequently demonize anyone who displays the St George cross. I don't remember exactly who, but it was a female MP who tweeted a picture of a house with a couple of St George cross flags flying and she called them something like white trash.
The MP in question tweeted a picture of a house with England flags with the caption 'image from #Rochester' - Many viewed it as being out of touch with the working class, and the MP in question apologised and resigned in embarrassment. At what point, did Emily Thornberry call anyone white trash?
Football gets a pass.
Naturally, to do otherwise would be damaging to your viewpoint.
I live in Scotland, and I voted to stay solely because I'm a unionist, as is my husband and most of our friends. We all pretty much hate the EU.
Scotland is part of a union, which is something they forget when it comes to losing votes.
Exactly. You hate the EU. Its natural for you to oppose those who don't. But thats grounds for disagreement, not dislike. I do agree Scotland often forget they are part of the union, much as the English forget that Scotland, Wales and NI are all nations in and of themselves with strong history, culture and traditions.
Its not just a single Welsh nationalist. Its a theme with all nationalists. Nationalists was to be a separate country, while also wanting to force England to remain in the EU because it would benefit them.
Well as you only provided 'evidence' of a single welsh nationalist you vaguely recall from TV, I'll reassert that I can't speak for them. If you want to raise a point on Welsh nationalists demanding we stay as part of the UK whilst they try to leave the UK, get me data.
The SNP blames absolutely everything on Westminster. As i said before, welfare was devolved, but the SNP refused to take it over until 2024
And as i said, it's been delayed. The SNP haven't refused anything. As for the issue with welfare money, if you google it there are complex posts on the topic that are far beyond my understanding but attempt to explain the money gap. There IS an explanation however.
I noticed you didn't respond to the top 3 in the Labour party being terrorist lovers. There's plenty more if you get out of the top 5.
Labour's platform is open borders and free stuff for everyone and the rich will pay for it all. Its very much like AOC and the Squad's plan.
I disagree strongly with almost everything about Corbyn. I'm not going to defend some of his more dubious views. If you dislike them, put your money where your vote is. Yay democracy!
Open borders and free stuff for everyone, paid for by the Rich? Well its plainly not true. You have this almost skill of taking simple topics and misrepresenting them entirely. The rich will pay more than they do now to help subsidise some of the poorest in society. This isn't a new concept.
I wouldn't have a problem if it was like Counter Point (is it still on i the US?), where the interviewer played devil's advocate and everyone knows that.
Im talking about shows that are loaded with remainers, including the host. There was a semi recent thing where they interviewed 5 remainers, but no leavers.
It depends on the topics being discussed, format of the show, audience participation etc. If QT were doing a panel in a constituency that voted 90% leave, odds are the panel would be more weighted to remain, as the questions presented will almost definitely be directed that way. It isn't as simple (a recurring theme i suspect) as you make out. I will concede that bias does happen. But again, as ive said it works both ways. When ive googled some of the topics you've brought up for example, they've almost all been from right leaning sources. This shows bias both ways.
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Clearly, you never watch debates, discussion on TV, internet or whatever.
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The EU requires that ALL citizen retain basic human rights. This is the bare minimum required for criminals.
I shouldn't have to hold your hand with the stuff the UK gives us, like marriage. Marriage isn't a human right for gays in the EU, despite it being a human right for heteros. We are included in anti-discrimination laws, unlike in the EU.
I already stated this, but you seem to have either ignored it or seriously misread it (again, a recurring theme?) - Anyone worth listening to will tell you we have some of the best rights for LGBT people in the EU.
There's a huge moral difference between animal blood "sports" and a useless high speed train.
No shit. But its an example of my tax money going where i don't want it to, and like in other democratic institutions, the way to combat it is to vote. How do you plan to prevent this moral outrage if you have no vote in the EU?
We have been in the EU for 45 years and it only gets worse.
You defense of "fix it from within" is like the old fashion justification for staying in an abusive relationship. We tried that, it was no use, so it's time to leave.
Typical leave strategy to provoke language of war, treachery, betrayal, wrongdoing, abuse. Describe to me, in detail, exactly how being in the EU correlates to an abusive relationship. Then explain your reasoning to an abused spouse and watch their reaction. Its a cheap, poorly played argument. Shame on you.
As for the tampon tax, I was mostly talking about how liberals claim its a UK thing and nothing to do with the utopian EU.
Remainers seem to be incapable to understand that the EU does bad things.
Then thats the point you should have argued. I've seen many people complaining to the government, those best placed to make change. I've seen the explanation of why the tax is in place shown many many times. Remainers incapable of understanding? You know the campaign to remain revolved mostly around remain and reform. If the EU was such a eutopia, the reform wouldn't need to be there would it?
Its the liberals on both sides of the pond that want free shit for everyone.
They pay taxes. They want that tax money either directed more to them or to the things that matter to them. There's nothing wrong with that. Nobody is demanding free shit.
I agree with sensible borders.
Good. I suspect you agree with just borders, as 'sensible' can be fairly subjective.
We cant have a bunch of people flood a country (any country) and jump on their welfare system and expect that country to survive. Nor should we import people with no money or skills, when we can't take care of our own, like Scotland did. Last year (maybe 2017), Scotland was able to find 2,000 houses for 3rd worlders, despite officially having 38,000 homeless, which Shelter estimated was closer to 42,000.
again, taking a complex issue and misrepresenting. The Syrian resettlement programme is a UK wide, 5-year plan to take in refugees. The only thing it has to do with Scotland specifically is they agreed to take in 10% of that figure, and they did so early. This isnt a nationalist issue, It's a humanitarian one and its union-wide.
Labour, LibDem and Greens want open borders. They want to end checks to see if a person is eligible (citizen, right to remain, etc) for welfare.
They want to remove those aspects from eligibility, but there are other checks carried out before you can start claiming welfare. You simplify the matter to make it look like every immigrant is going to be handed a blank cheque on arrival. Not the case.
Democrats in the US switch in 2015 to be for border security, to be for open borders. As President, Obama even signed into law several hundred million to be used to put up more border fences. Democrats overwhelmingly voted in favor of it. Now they are 100% opposed to any border fence.
Justin Trudeau's part in Canada wants open borders.
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NY city and state are LIBERAL. That's the link. LIBERAL
Like the UK under Tony Blair, there's no money for vets and first responders, but there's money to allow people from other countries to come and jump on our welfare system.
Montel Williams did what Tony Blair refused to do, help disabled UK vets, despite being from a different country. Tony Blair sent them to war, then ignored them when they came back disabled.
Democrats in the US are similar to Tony Blair and current liberals. They ignore the disabled vets and first responders, while providing money for non-citizens.
California has plenty of cash for illegals, but none for the homeless. They spend more money on cleaning up shit and dirty needles, then they do on the homeless.
Nothing to do with UK nationals or liberals. The clue is in your title.
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Working Class and white trash are the same thing to the liberal elite.
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Football getting a pass has nothing to do with the topic in general.
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I would love to see the Scottish passport. Until then, the UK is only "nation" here.
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There's plenty of videos on YouTube, which is where I saw the Ch4 interview, with nationalists of all stripe wanting independence from the UK while insisting rUK remain in the EU to make it better for their independent country.
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Maybe you should listen to people like Dianne Abbot when she says if she becomes the Home Sec, she'll remove all border controls and checks on people getting welfare.
Just because their plans are idiotic, like AOC and the Squad in the US, doesn't mean that's not what they say they want.
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ALL QTs are weighted in favour of remain. It has been a long criticism of the program. You can do a simple google search on BBC Brexit Bias, Question Time Brexit Bias.
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Votes within the EU don't all count equally. Smaller countries have higher representation per capita than larger countries. The UK and Germany have lost representation while smaller countries have gained it. This will continue with each new EU session.
As such, my vote means very little in the EU, so why should I want to stay in and fund disgusting shit like animal blood "sports".
Also, we are leaving because the EU gave Cameron nothing to bring back to the people because they thought we'd never vote to leave.
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Like it or not, the abusive relationship analogy is a perfect fit.
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"Remain and Reform" what a frickin joke. 45 years and things have only gotten worse.
The original vote was for an economic community, now they are shouting about an empire.
Juncker is a massive drunkard and was forced out in disgrace as PM, but he's good enough to lead the EU.
Backroom horse trading for the top job
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AOC's original plan, before the New Green Deal, would have cost an extra $48 trillion per decade, not counting population growth or inflation.
Her Green New Deal, which included income for those that refused to work, would cost and extra $100+ trillion. That doesn't include her latest demand of open borders and handing out welfare like candy.
Every man, woman and child would be required to pay an extra $65,000 a year for the NGD, on top of the normal taxes being paid.
Now adjust those figures for the free stuff people want in the UK.
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We could find houses for Syrians, but not for those already homeless in Scotland.
Only a liberal wouldn't be able to understand the problem there.
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Maybe you should contact Dianne Abbot and the rest, explaining to them that they aren't making their case clear for open borders and removing restrictions on welfare.
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I used outside examples because they are liberals and they are doing the same thing regardless of country.
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Working Class and white trash are the same thing to the liberal elite.
Even if that were true (it isn't), she didn't reference either working class OR white trash. So what you've said is at best, a gross misrepresentation. At worst, a blatant lie.
Football getting a pass has nothing to do with the topic in general.
It's a massive example of English nationalism. It gets a pass because it's a direct counter to your argument and you didn't like it.
I would love to see the Scottish passport. Until then, the UK is only "nation" here.
I didn't realise you had to have a national passport to be considered a 'nation'.
There's plenty of videos on YouTube, which is where I saw the Ch4 interview, with nationalists of all stripe wanting independence from the UK while insisting rUK remain in the EU to make it better for their independent country.
Care to share?
Maybe you should listen to people like Dianne Abbot when she says if she becomes the Home Sec, she'll remove all border controls and checks on people getting welfare.
Just because their plans are idiotic, like AOC and the Squad in the US, doesn't mean that's not what they say they want.
Care to share? Again, We arent discussing the US.
ALL QTs are weighted in favour of remain. It has been a long criticism of the program. You can do a simple google search on BBC Brexit Bias, Question Time Brexit Bias.
I didn't dispute that the issue had come up. I've read some of the reports. I made a point about why it might seem to happen that way.
Votes within the EU don't all count equally. Smaller countries have higher representation per capita than larger countries. The UK and Germany have lost representation while smaller countries have gained it. This will continue with each new EU session.
As such, my vote means very little in the EU, so why should I want to stay in and fund disgusting shit like animal blood "sports".
Consider the alternative, where smaller countries would have absolutely NO say at all in the EU parliament whilst those particularly fertile countries would dominate. You make a fair point but, as ever, the issue is more complicated than that.
Your argument about your vote having little impact, so why bother? EVERY vote matters. Look at how close the Brexit vote itself was. Not to mention that your vote led to the Brexit party becoming the largest single party in the EU parliament. Just because sometimes you aren't in the majority is no reason to lose faith in the system. The conservative government is currently in power - do i throw my hands in the air and declare the system flawed or that my vote counts for nothing? No, i keep voting. Change will come.
Also, we are leaving because the EU gave Cameron nothing to bring back to the people because they thought we'd never vote to leave.
This isn't unique to the EU. Many in the UK thought we were never going to leave either. Cameron neither pushed for reform, nor campaigned on the idea that they would push for it. Hence the result. I liked the dude as a decent public speaker with some genuinely beneficial policies, but he no doubt absolutely screwed us
Like it or not, the abusive relationship analogy is a perfect fit
Except it isn't is it? Else you'd be describing how like i'd asked. Do we fear physical harm? Are we being abused emotionally? Do we fear to leave because of the emotional or physical impact of what would happen? Are we feeling helpless, desperate? I say again, shame on you.
"Remain and Reform" what a frickin joke. 45 years and things have only gotten worse.
WE never pushed for reform. We should have done more. As for getting worse, i disagree.
The original vote was for an economic community, now they are shouting about an empire.
The EU as it currently stands is a result of changes made by the EU - we bear some of that responsibility. The only shouting about an empire comes from your side.
Juncker is a massive drunkard and was forced out in disgrace as PM, but he's good enough to lead the EU.
Backroom horse trading for the top job
Boris is a proven liar and adulterer, forced out of his job at the Times in embarrassment. Promises of cushy cabinet positions in order to get the top job. Do i despair over our political system? Have i left the country? No, i vote.
AOC's original plan, before the New Green Deal, would have cost an extra $48 trillion per decade, not counting population growth or inflation.
Her Green New Deal, which included income for those that refused to work, would cost and extra $100+ trillion. That doesn't include her latest demand of open borders and handing out welfare like candy.
Every man, woman and child would be required to pay an extra $65,000 a year for the NGD, on top of the normal taxes being paid.
Now adjust those figures for the free stuff people want in the UK.
Again with the US - you keep mentioning how you hate UK liberals and nationalists, but drag the US into the argument to prove your point. Irrelevant.
We could find houses for Syrians, but not for those already homeless in Scotland.
Only a liberal wouldn't be able to understand the problem there.
Again you simplify and misrepresent the issue massively. The Syrian refugee crisis and homelessness across the country are indeed massive problems and should both be tackled. But you argue the point as a flaw of scottish nationalism. They're doing what they've been told to do by Westminster. It has nothing to do with the Scottish at all, bar location. More should be done to tackle homelessness globally. We currently have a conservative government. These are failings, but not of nationalism or liberalism.
Maybe you should contact Dianne Abbot and the rest, explaining to them that they aren't making their case clear for open borders and removing restrictions on welfare.
I might just do that.
I used outside examples because they are liberals and they are doing the same thing regardless of country.
Maybe you should have made your case clear
Well the conservatives have been in power for how long now? Near 10 years? I'd hardly describe them as liberal. Many of the points you raise whilst using the US as an example, the repeated mention of Blair etc. It isn't the liberals responsible for those issues. Think Veterans have it rough? The conservatives have had 10 years to sort those issues. Perhaps you should direct your annoyance at them?
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