Should #45 Be Impeached and Removed from Office?
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He hasn't committed an impeachable offence. You could argue obstruction of justice, with Comey's memo, but no one has yet seen the memo, so it may not even exist. And if it does exist, Comey would have committed a federal offence by not notifying that he had knowledge of a federal crime (Trump allegedly asking him to drop the Flynn case). There's also no evidence of the Trump-Russia collusion. It's always "anon sources". And more than all this, Trump is still really popular among GOP voters. Popular enough that if the GOP voted to impeach him, Trump would very easily make it so the GOP never get elected again. (Even if Trump can drain 10% of GOP voters to a 3rd party, GOP is largely over then).
How do we know Comey wasn't in the middle of putting it all together when he was fired? What if he indeed was going to announce #45 obstructed justice but didn't have enough evidence yet? Was he blackmailed by the possible "tapes" that #45 claims to have? There are so many questions that have not been answered yet. By the way, the uncertainty is having a damning effect on the stock market :blownose:
For 3 months? And even so, Comey shouldn't be investigating it himself. The law is pretty clear here, Comey would have certainly broken federal law, a law in which I suspect Comey knows well. Which is why I'm skeptical the memo even exists. JP Morgan has said a few hours ago that impeachment is "very, very unlikely". Let's not forget, there were no less than 6 attempts/mentions of impeaching Obama by members of Congress.
You need condemning evidence to accuse the president of a high crime. You also have to factor in Comey not wanting to appear political, so he very well may have been looking for more evidence before saying anything. Then again, you could be right. Maybe there's nothing there. That's my point. This is ongoing and it is MY OPINION that it will lead to impeachment for POLITICAL reasons, not for the reasons I feel it SHOULD happen. JP Morgan can say what they want, once that doubt sets in everyone else is going to start speculating and some may even panic depending on how worse this week gets.
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very time you claim Russia, I will demand the PROOF. And you will continue to give me none. As you have done in the past and just now. So you wanna keep on with this? Go ahead. You have no proof. So go ahead and show me the proof. I will do this until the end of time.
OMG!! Is the end of time here??
P.S. I took the liberty of highlighting and underlining the quote. Luckily this is still America and I can do stuff like that.
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Mhorndisk is a dogmatist who doesn't allow facts to get in his way.
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In light of recent events, including the president sharing classified information with Russians in the Oval Office and James Comey's damning memo, do you believe our president should be impeached and possibly removed from office? What is the reason for your belief?
I personally think he should and will most likely be impeached by the House sometime this year but that the Senate will not vote to remove him or that he will resign after more damning information is released. I believe this will happen because of political reasons; the Republicans cannot continue to support a sinking president without sinking themselves. Impeachment will send a signal that they are not fully inline with this administration and by not removing him will give them a shot at keeping his supporters calm.
That's just my opinion on this very specific matter. What's yours?
Zero chance of him being impeached. The things they are attacking Trump with are pitifully minor compared to the massive transgressions of the Clintons, and Obama for that matter. The media didn't dare lay a finger on Obama.
HOWEVER… If I were a billionaire, and was getting constantly attacked by a load of losers - even in his own party - I would be tempted to say "OK, fuck you all.. I resign.. " and take my billions, live like a god emperor, and tell the country to enjoy their miserable lives under some moonbat administration.
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Zero chance of him being impeached. The things they are attacking Trump with are pitifully minor compared to the massive transgressions of the Clintons, and Obama for that matter. The media didn't dare lay a finger on Obama.
HOWEVER… If I were a billionaire, and was getting constantly attacked by a load of losers - even in his own party - I would be tempted to say "OK, fuck you all.. I resign.. " and take my billions, live like a god emperor, and tell the country to enjoy their miserable lives under some moonbat administration.
Believe it or not Frederick, I agree. A president has never been removed from office by impeachment. Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton were acquitted, and Nixon resigned even before the Articles of Impeachment, which were approved in the Judiciary Committee, could be voted on by the full House. But Barry Goldwater went to Nixon and told him he had no more than 15 votes in the Senate (he needed 34 to be acquitted). Nixon saw the writing on the wall. In his resignation speech, he cited eroding support in the Congress and never admitted guilt.
If it comes to that, something similar will go down with Trump. He will, of course, blame it on fake news and call it a witch hunt, but if he does leave, he will start the Trump Cable Network and make himself another mint. And we will be left with Pence, unless Trump drags him down as well. Then we will have President Ryan. Under those circumstances, who knows what would happen in 2020.
Talk of impeachment or resignation, however is very premature. But who would have predicted a month ago that we would have an email chain involving Don Jr. that would prove he knew the Russian government was supporting the campaign since June of 2016?
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Wow, didn't think I'd see one of my old threads pop back up :cheers: I still believe he'll be impeached because of the reasons I listed. Nothing has really changed. All of this "nothing burger" talk does nothing to answer serious questions like: (1) Why were high-ranking officials from the president's campaign in direct conversation with Russian officials? (2) Why did those high-ranking campaign officials LIE about their conversations with the Russians? (3) How come the president won't provide evidence that definitely proves there were no illegal exchanges of money and/or information with any Russian officials by releasing his tax returns or documentation of where he received certain information? (4) Why is the president going against our very own intelligence agencies? (5) Why is the president quietly fighting recent sanctions against Russia passed unanimously by the Senate and currently being stalled in the House? Most of the questions are easy to squash, yet the president will not cooperate with the investigations to put an end to those questions. Why is that? If most of these questions could be tackled by him simply releasing his tax returns, then why won't he release them? If most of these questions could be tackled by him simply stating why he and those who work around him lied about previous interactions with Russians, then why not simply state the reasons for lying?
I have long said there has been no evidence of collusion and I still hold that belief. Nothing has been proven yet; however, because of the president's actions, nothing has been ruled out. If the president has nothing to hide, why not cooperate and prove he has nothing to hide?
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Unless he actually does go out on 5th avenue and shoot someone, he won't be impeached by this Congress. If the Democrats win back the House in 2018, that is a different story. Even under those circumstances, he would never be convicted in the Senate.67 Senators would have to vote to convict, a very high bar indeed.
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Unless he actually does go out on 5th avenue and shoot someone, he won't be impeached by this Congress. If the Democrats win back the House in 2018, that is a different story. Even under those circumstances, he would never be convicted in the Senate.67 Senators would have to vote to convict, a very high bar indeed.
I believe the Republicans will abandon him if his unpopularity brings them down far enough. There will come a point where they no longer defend him out of fear that they will lose everything.
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His approval rating among Republicans right now is 85%. It would have to drop below 50% for them to drop him. Otherwise, he could support primary challengers in their safe, gerrymandered seats.
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His approval rating among Republicans right now is 85%. It would have to drop below 50% for them to drop him. Otherwise, he could support primary challengers in their safe, gerrymandered seats.
That's very true for gerrymandered seats, but what about statewide positions such as senate seats and governors? Remember in 2006 when George W. Bush's popularity tanked severely? The left became very enthusiastic and turned up in general election numbers while the right turned out in their typical midterm fashion and got completely wiped out. You're right, we're not there yet but I'm saying there will come a time where we do get there and it will most likely happen prior to the 2018 midterms. I could be wrong but judging by what happened in 2006, it's hard to say for sure. The current president did not start out with a decent approval of Americans the way President Bush did, nor has he been able to rally the country following a tragic event like 9/11 the way President Bush did which got him 90%+ approval ratings and showed us how much of a leader he could be. Also, it's very standard that–-without a 9/11 type situation---the party of the incumbent president loses control of Congress after that first midterm election. His approval among Republicans will not matter if millions turn out as a referendum on his presidency so far, which is what usually happens to a president in his first term.
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it is hard to predict when the Russia investigation will come to a head because th pace it it is so different from other presidential scandals. In the space of 6 months we have gone from Trump and and associates indignantly denying they even had contacts with Russians to Don Jr. admitting himself that he was eager to get dirt on Hillary no matter what its provenance. Who believes that Trump Sr. did not know of his son's efforts? That "boy" cannot take a shit without his father's permission. I also don't think for a minute that once it was publicly announced that Russia hacked the DNC, that the Trump campaign did not use its Russia contacts to exploit that information to their best advantage. I also think That Kushner's regional database (based on the sale of MAGA hats) was shared with the Russians so they could micro-target their social media bots.
All of that will be, at the very least, conspiracy to violate Federal Election law. -
Unless he actually does go out on 5th avenue and shoot someone, he won't be impeached by this Congress. If the Democrats win back the House in 2018, that is a different story. Even under those circumstances, he would never be convicted in the Senate.67 Senators would have to vote to convict, a very high bar indeed.
I hope the dems win in 2018. That way the dems, and anti-trump repubs can form a bipartisan coalition to take down #45.
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I hope the dems win in 2018. That way the dems, and anti-trump repubs can form a bipartisan coalition to take down #45.
No need. The Republicans are going to impeach Trump.
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Unless he actually does go out on 5th avenue and shoot someone, he won't be impeached by this Congress. If the Democrats win back the House in 2018, that is a different story. Even under those circumstances, he would never be convicted in the Senate.67 Senators would have to vote to convict, a very high bar indeed.
I believe the Republicans will abandon him if his unpopularity brings them down far enough. There will come a point where they no longer defend him out of fear that they will lose everything.
He is more popular and has better approval ratings than the GOP in the House or Senate. What I predict is that we will see a lot of new faces elected in 2018, they just will be fresh Republican faces to unseat the old ones.
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Unless he actually does go out on 5th avenue and shoot someone, he won't be impeached by this Congress. If the Democrats win back the House in 2018, that is a different story. Even under those circumstances, he would never be convicted in the Senate.67 Senators would have to vote to convict, a very high bar indeed.
I believe the Republicans will abandon him if his unpopularity brings them down far enough. There will come a point where they no longer defend him out of fear that they will lose everything.
He is more popular and has better approval ratings than the GOP in the House or Senate. What I predict is that we will see a lot of new faces elected in 2018, they just will be fresh Republican faces to unseat the old ones.
That's not saying much, they're in the 18-22% approval range and he's in the 32-36% approval range. Also, you're leaving out the millions of people who did not vote but DO NOT want him as their president. People who sat it out because they thought Hillary would win, they will turnout to make sure he's stopped next year if he's not removed by then. Republicans are doomed and they know it, which is why they're throwing anything at the wall to see what sticks.
Either way, I still believe he'll be removed from office just as Allan Lichtman, who is never wrong, predicted. He predicted the win and he's has also predicted the impeachment and removal. There's no way the Republicans will sink with this president. They'll throw him under the bus to save themselves the moment collusion is proven or Mueller finds something incriminating enough. It still won't help them. The president ran and won as a Republican and he's unpopular with the MAJORITY of Americans just like the Republican party is, which means once he is impeached he will not have the support of the people to help him; only the flimsy number of people (~77,000) that helped him win the electoral college.
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