#45 Has Fired FBI Director James Comey
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First, I agree with Frederick, that people need to be more civil in their political discourse. Passion is fine, but personally attacking people is not. You get nowhere.
Now, to outline some facts.
The above provided link contains the termination letter Trump sent to Comey, and it has the two letters submitted to the white house from BOTH Attorney General Jeff Sessions, and Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein. The Deputy Attorney General, upon being nominated to the position a few months ago, was the longest serving US Attorney at the time, having served for about 30 years. If you read the documents in the above provided link you will see Jeff Sessions wrote a very brief letter stating he supported the conclusions of the Deputy Attorney General. It was the Deputy Attorney General whom drafted a Memoranda outlining his reasoning for recommending the removal of Comey as FBI Director. In that Memoranda, of which you can read, he cites multiple former Attorneys General and Deputy Attorneys General that served presidents of BOTH parties over the past 30+ years that came to the same conclusion that Comey was no longer fit to serve as head of that law enforcement agency.
Until there is definitive proof of collusion between the Trump and Russia, of which none publicly exists at this time, then you cannot jump to conclusions. Democrats and Republicans had called for Comey's firing. Now that it was done, Democrats are freaking out. Why can't people look at things through a non-partisan lens once in a while? I will be right there calling for Trumps impeachment if evidence comes to light that he directly worked with Russia or had knowledge that members of his campaign were working with Russia to sway the election; however, until that happens I will not jump to any conclusions like so many people are willing to do.
I feel like Jeff Sessions should not have had a say-so at all. His name should be nowhere near any of this given the conflict of interests. And nope, you cannot say "Democrats are freaking out" without providing the overall context behind why Democrats AND some Republicans (there goes your partisan argument) are freaking out. You're skipping one big question: Why in the world was Comey fired NOW? The White House needs to provide more details and be slightly more transparent about what brought them to this conclusion NOW. Why was then-candidate Agent Orange rooting for Comey and the reopened investigation into Hillary Clinton and now-president Agent Orange finds what Comey did "unacceptable?" Context is key. This does not add up; hence, people are freaking out.
The details were provided - Comey was removed based on the recommendations of the attorney general and the deputy attorney general. Those recommendation letters were attached to the firing letter.
As for "WHY NOW", isn't that exceedingly unreasonable to expect the administration to act immediately? They needed to review the facts, review the testimony and I'm sure tons of other things in order to make the best decision according to their own beliefs. I'm sure all of that takes a huge amount of time.
As far as the hypocrisy angle, seriously, I'll just leave this here:
http://i.imgur.com/NDqVZaP.jpg
The liberal mainstream media hypocrisy is astounding, and it's beyond my ability to even understand how anyone still has faith in the reporting by the media on this issue.
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Good, way to take headlines largely out of context and attempt to still pretend you're on top and have a point.
This is just another in the series of heavy-handed dismissals so our grand dipshit can stack the deck in what he thinks is his favor.
It's a band of idiots trying desperately to damage-control the actions of a demagogue who has no idea what the hell he's even doing. You're on a gay torrent site, you're the last people who should be monkey-parroting idiot pseudointellectual political stances, but here you are trying to defend people because oh hey, surely people who were appointed to a fancy-titled position must know what they're doing, right?
Also, L O L at the "liberal mainstream media". Because handy buzz phrases make you sound so intelligent and informed! Please, get a clue; this is a disconcerting trend from the dictionary definition of a demagogue. It is not anything that should be defended or least of all justified, and least of all still by anyone who is gay and frequents a torrent community! Frankly, it makes no difference whether this is the action of conservatives, liberals, or whatever – those are just convenient oversimplifications that have nothing to do with the matter at hand and lend themselves to logical flaws and frankly asinine argument in an attempt to polarize. You have failed. You get nothing, sir. Good day.
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This is a classic example of how hypocritical the libtards are. In the same DAY, Podesta starts out by again attacking Comey.. but then a few hours later, Podesta is attacking Trump for firing Comey!
Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta was, like many on the political left, angry with former FBI Director James Comey Tuesday morning. But his tone changed significantly only hours later when President Donald Trump fired Comey.
Just last week, Hillary Clinton partially blamed Comey for her loss in the 2016 election, so it’s not surprising her campaign chairman would also harbor bad blood. Tuesday morning, while sharing a story on the then-FBI director’s testimony the day before, Podesta commented, “The American public is getting mildly nauseous listening to Jim Comey.”
Hours later, however, once the news of Comey’s firing hit, Podesta’s tone changed.
While tweeting the New York Times story on the firing just seven hours later, Podesta said, “@realDonaldTrump Didn’t you know you’re supposed to wait til Saturday night to massacre people investigating you?” -
I feel like Jeff Sessions should not have had a say-so at all. His name should be nowhere near any of this given the conflict of interests. And nope, you cannot say "Democrats are freaking out" without providing the overall context behind why Democrats AND some Republicans (there goes your partisan argument) are freaking out. You're skipping one big question: Why in the world was Comey fired NOW? The White House needs to provide more details and be slightly more transparent about what brought them to this conclusion NOW.
Jeff Sessions recused himself from the overblown Russia investigation, not from being the head of the Department of Justice. If you read the letters, you can clearly see he adds nothing to the Deputy's opinion other than a concurrence.
As to WHY NOW? That's probably the easiest question to answer. Rosenstein was confirmed just 2 weeks ago. Rosenstein is the person the FBI Chief reports to at the DOJ so was Comey's direct supervisor. Rosenstein wasn't happy with Comey, and wanted him gone.
Now, to add a little context, just the week Sen. Whitehouse kept drawing comparisons to the 18 days from the time Yates went to the WH to discuss Flynn and Flynn's resignation to the 18 minutes of missing tape from the Nixon tapes. So, the Democrats were screaming that he didn't act quickly enough upon the recommendation of the staff, and when he acts quickly they question why he acted so quickly. It becomes a no-win situation. You can find fault and boogeymen if you WANT to find them. Trust me, I know some conservatives who did the same during the Obama years, and I told them when they were being ridiculous, too, even though I detest every policy he proposed.Good, way to take headlines largely out of context and attempt to still pretend you're on top and have a point.
This is just another in the series of heavy-handed dismissals so our grand dipshit can stack the deck in what he thinks is his favor.
I don't know how an image of headlines takes anything out of context. It just shows the truth in black and white.
As for the "heavy-handed dismissals" I can't even imagine what you mean. IF, IF you are discussing the firing of Sally Yates, she had refused to do the job she was hired to do. (BTW, the reasons she gave this Monday for refusing to allow the DOJ to defend the Exec. Order are NOT the same reasons she gave back in January, and she had also already accepted a high-paying job in the private sector at the end of the week prior to her refusal, so it is likely she knew exactly what she was doing.) IF you are talking about the remaining States' Attorneys, nothing he did in firing them en masse was one bit different than previous administrations. Who else has he fired, other than Comey?
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This is a classic example of how hypocritical the libtards are. In the same DAY, Podesta starts out by again attacking Comey.. but then a few hours later, Podesta is attacking Trump for firing Comey!
Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta was, like many on the political left, angry with former FBI Director James Comey Tuesday morning. But his tone changed significantly only hours later when President Donald Trump fired Comey.
Just last week, Hillary Clinton partially blamed Comey for her loss in the 2016 election, so it’s not surprising her campaign chairman would also harbor bad blood. Tuesday morning, while sharing a story on the then-FBI director’s testimony the day before, Podesta commented, “The American public is getting mildly nauseous listening to Jim Comey.”
Hours later, however, once the news of Comey’s firing hit, Podesta’s tone changed.
While tweeting the New York Times story on the firing just seven hours later, Podesta said, “@realDonaldTrump Didn’t you know you’re supposed to wait til Saturday night to massacre people investigating you?”How recently did you discover what hypocrisy is? Because you're not using it in the proper context whatsoever.
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Do you people supporting #45 on this issue seriously hear yourselves? You are asking us to simply give the benefit of the doubt without taking the context of this entire situation into consideration. Democrats and Republicans have a right to question the timing and no one is a hypocrite except the president. Are you all arguing that our president is so incompetent that he fully embraced someone that he has easily now been turned against by a simple letter? He fully embraced Comey on inauguration day on LIVE TV and has been speaking highly of him ever since. And out of nowhere, he agrees with a letter condemning Comey's actions surrounding the Hillary Clinton email investigation even though he fully supported said investigation while it was ongoing? And we're the hypocrites? :crazy2:
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This is blatant corruption and I cannot wait for the leaked proof and subsequent independent investigation that will put all of this into perspective. The dark cloud continues…
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This is blatant corruption and I cannot wait for the leaked proof and subsequent independent investigation that will put all of this into perspective. The dark cloud continues…
Leaked proof? As much information that has been leaked do you really think if they had ANY proof of corruption it wouldn't have been known by now? Stop, take a breath and give the tin foil hat a break.
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This is blatant corruption and I cannot wait for the leaked proof and subsequent independent investigation that will put all of this into perspective. The dark cloud continues…
Leaked proof? As much information that has been leaked do you really think if they had ANY proof of corruption it wouldn't have been known by now? Stop, take a breath and give the tin foil hat a break.
Nope, that's not how a dark cloud works. Slow drip, drip, drip just like the Hillary Clinton emails. That keeps it constantly on the minds of people. This thing is already over, it's all about time at this point. The funny thing, just like with Nixon, #45's last line of defense is the courts and we all know he blew his reputation with them before he even took office. Nixon tried to stop the Watergate tapes from being released and it was the court that brought the end to him by forcing the release of those tapes. Looks like we're headed for a repeat :hero:
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Nope, that's not how a dark cloud works. Slow drip, drip, drip just like the Hillary Clinton emails. That keeps it constantly on the minds of people. This thing is already over, it's all about time at this point. The funny thing, just like with Nixon, #45's last line of defense is the courts and we all know he blew his reputation with them before he even took office. Nixon tried to stop the Watergate tapes from being released and it was the court that brought the end to him by forcing the release of those tapes. Looks like we're headed for a repeat
So true. How funny was it that tRump had a meeting with Kissinger today too! Wonder what they talked about?
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Trump supporters really have to go out on a limb to support Trump on this one. They're willing to believe Trump fired Comey for the exact same reason Trump praised Comey so much last year.
And today we find out that Comey asked Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein for a substantial increase in resources for the Russia investigation, and just days later Rosenstein recommended Comey's firing.
Finally, plenty of Republicans are also deeply worried about this unprecedented power grab (Archibald Cox was just a special prosecutor, not head of the FBI). And if you really think there's nothing to hide, what's wrong with a full investigation?
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Trump supporters really have to go out on a limb to support Trump on this one. They're willing to believe Trump fired Comey for the exact same reason Trump praised Comey so much last year.
And today we find out that Comey asked Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein for a substantial increase in resources for the Russia investigation, and just days later Rosenstein recommended Comey's firing.
Finally, plenty of Republicans are also deeply worried about this unprecedented power grab (Archibald Cox was just a special prosecutor, not head of the FBI). And if you really think there's nothing to hide, what's wrong with a full investigation?
I totally agree with this. Specially your last line- only someone with something to hide would be too scared to undergo a full investigation.
The sad thing is- Trump's whole candidacy and his presidency up to this point has been a brilliant exercise in slowly pushing the boundaries of abuse outward- making more and more extremes of illegal and abusive behavior acceptable because people get used to these things from him. It doesn't help that he is being enabled by a party that controls ALL levels of government for the first time in many years- which makes them so open to excusing his abuses just so they get to stay in power.
There needs to be accountability, soon- before it's too late! :crazy2:
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I am sure the firing of Comey had nothing to do with the fact that he had gone to Congress last week and asked for additional money to fund the Russia investigation by the FBI. Now we all know that Not my President Donald would never react badly to more Russia investigation.
And for those claiming there is no collusion between the Trump Campaign and Russia…well you really need to become more objective. The only statement was that there so far has been no evidence of direct collusion between Donald and Russia. NO ONE SAID THERE WAS NO COLLUSION BY HIS TEAM. There are way to many members of his team talking to and travelling to Russia including his spoiled brat rich boy Son-in-law!!
I figure to have the last laugh on this one so enjoy the ride.
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Well played sir jackny. Jeff Sessions' is a bigot, racist, treasonous traitor
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I don't think this is a big deal. First off, live in DC, and Rod Rosenstein is a standup guy. Prosecuted corruption as DOJ lawyer against both Dems & GOP. Has been consistently reappointed by both sides, and after Sessions recused himself from Russia, Russia will be in his lap, and Rosenstein is not someone you want to take on.
As for Comey, Hillary was out there blaming Comey for losing the election. Trump was blaming Comey for spreading false Russia stuff. Let's face it, neither side has confidence in Jim Comey, and Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton meeting on a tarmac caused much of this because that meeting compromised the Department of Justice and put Comey into a difficult spot where he couldn't possibly be perceived by either side as objective, the FBI's job is to stay mum, pass the facts up the chain of command, and await their decision on whether or not to arrest. Instead, he became investigator and prosecutor. It also doesn't help that Comey allowed McCabe, who is now the interim to remain his #2, while McCabe's wife raised $700,000 while running for political office as a Democrat.
We can litigate the Clinton and Russia cases until the cows come home, but none of us are privy to the full set of facts that the FBI has, nor do we have the resources to followup leads like the FBI has. What we can do is ascertain whether or not the Bureau is adhering to protocol, and Comey has not been doing that for quite sometime. For better or worse, both sides have been complaining about that, and it's time to move on. Trump is going to have to appoint someone who can get bipartisan support, as he cannot count on Sasse, McCain, and Graham as votes, which leaves him one vote shy for Senate Confirmation.
Overall, I think this is a good move. Looking at public opinion polls before the firing, 17% of Dems had confidence in Comey & 26% of Republicans had confidence in Comey, and the fact that folks are polling this is not good news. When the process works, no one knows who the FBI Director is. How many would have even pondered polling on Mueller? We're going to get answers in due course, but the answers have to come from someone that both sides have over 50% respect for.
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I am going to have buy some shares in Reynolds Wrap.
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Once again, you can't expect people to just sit and say, "Well, I'll give #45 and his administration the benefit of the doubt. I mean, nothing else suspicious has happened." THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. A foreign power was successful in helping one candidate win the presidency. There is an investigation to see if the Almighty Orange one and/or anyone in his inner circle cooperated with said foreign power. This is not going away no matter what you Almighty Orange worshipers say. And the more shady this gets due to situations like firing the FBI director at odd times, the worse this is going to get. Simple as that.
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First off, the timing has already been debunked. Dep. AG confirmed less than 2 weeks before his underling is fired.
Trump wanted Comey gone, everyone wanted Comey gone, and Comey's boss agreed that Comey needed to go since he had been unwilling to admit errors he made in response to the extraordinary errors happening above him (Clintons, Lynch, Rice).
As for the oft-repeated lie that he was fired after asking for more resources, not only did the DOJ state there was ZERO VERACITY to that claim, Comey's #2 guy testified under oath that that wouldn't have happened because that wouldn't have been the process, and that the FBI had all of the resources it needs.
If you all would sit back and breathe, you may have a point in time when Trump does something truly wrong, but this continue boogeyman search is going to wear you out, and the continually wailing from the Left is going to fade into background noise to vast swaths of the American electorate.
One other thing, it is one thing to argue position or opinion, but it is highly distasteful to state claims as facts that are not verifiably factual, especially when there is no attempt to correct the record when the facts play out differently than you had claimed.
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The Deputy AG threatened to resign if all blame was pushed off on him, so no the timing has not been debunked; another layer of unknown has been added. Also #45 made things more complicated with his recent NBC News interview with Lester Holt. Why does the reason for Comey's firing keep changing?
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Some unnamed source claims the Dep. AG threatened to resign and you take it as Gospel! It would have made zero sense to fire Comey BEFORE now. He fired him once he got his top 2 guys at the DOJ FINALLY confirmed so they could then BOTH be included in the search for a new head of the FBI, someone that would be responsible directly to the Deputy AG.
As for the Dep. AG taking the blame, it's a ridiculous claim because the only person that fired Comey was Trump. Now, if the highly respected Rosenstein didn't believe the following passage he should never have written it and his name to the bottom:_ "Although the President has the power to remove an FBI director, the decision should not be taken lightly. I agree with the nearly unanimous opinions of former Department officials. The way the Director handled the conclusion of the email investigation was wrong. As a result, the FBI is unlikely to regain public and congressional trust until it has a Director who understands the gravity of the mistakes and pledges never to repeat them. Having refused to admit his errors, the Director cannot be expected to implement the necessary corrective actions."_
The reason hasn't changed, btw. It is entirely possible that there were multiple reasons to fire Comey, but why is there a need to drag every single one out of the closet. Trump had a valid reason, and he used it. Everything else is a search in the hopes of finding a story! Just because a Republican does something it doesn't automatically mean that it was wrong; no matter what the "news" tells you!
(What is more of a story is how Vince Foster died of a "suicide" the day after President Clinton fired his fiercely independent FBI Chief, William Sessions.)
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