Marine Le Pen the Trump of France?
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I don't think this is true. I am ready to be corrected, but I am not aware of any reasonable public debate in France that has been "shut down" or labelled as racist and Islamophobic. In fact the public debate in France is extremely robust. This idea that people raising genuine and legitimate critiques of Islam are being oppressed and stifled just does not wash with me.
Aren't FN meetings under constant attack? Wasn't Le Pen herself a victim of censorship for posting a tweet showcasing ISIS crimes?
http://www.lepoint.fr/politique/nantes-un-bus-de-supporteurs-du-fn-attaque-26-02-2017-2107676_20.php
http://www.ouest-france.fr/pays-de-la-loire/orvault-44700/orvault-des-cocktails-molotov-lances-sur-la-permanence-du-front-national-4949119In fact, I think this claim is itself an attempt to distract attention from a much bigger and more pressing problem in France: genuine institutionalised racism and prejudice in French society.
It's hard to be accepting when Muslims are terrorizing, raping and murdering Europeans.
It is certainly true that second and third-generation Arabs are turning their backs on the liberalism of their parents, and questions need to be asked about why this is. It also needs to be asked why this is happening in France so much more than in other countries: radicalisation of young Muslims is not an exclusively French problem, but it seems to be a far more serious issue in France than in it is in - say - Britain or Germany or Scandinavia. France has a really serious problem with disaffected and marginalised young Muslims who were born in France but do not feel French, and feel they have no stake in their own country or in the values of the Republic. And it is of course perfectly legitimate to ask whether this problem is related to the nature of Islam. But it is also necessary to ask whether this problem has anything to do with the nature of France.
The typical European jihadist is not marginalized, they are often middle or upper class people. These people don't feel French and they don't want to, Islam is a supremacist religion and they believe Europeans are kafirs.
There are hundreds of marginalized groups in Western societies but only one is carrying out thousands of attacks every year in name of their religion. If the problem was French society, countries like India, Myanmar, China and the Philippines wouldn't be affected by Islamic terrorism.
Finally, yes, terrorism is a fact of life. But it's nothing new. In much of Europe (Spain, Britain, Italy), terrorism has been a fact of life for decades. France has suffered terrorism continuously throughout the twentieth century from all manner of political and religious groups. It's nothing new, but it is a fact of life and people live with it: like the posters say, we "keep calm and carry on." You are considerably more likely to be struck by lightning than killed by a terrorist. You're more likely to slip and break your neck on a bathmat. So you might want to lower your umbrella when you go out in a storm, but avoiding French airports because of a negligible risk is just silly.
Terrorism is not a fact of life and should not be accepted as such. Terrorist activity was declining in Western Europe until Islamic terrorism became a problem due to uncontrolled migration. No terrorist group in Western Europe in recent history has engaged in the same type of mass murder, genocide and slavery that is daily practiced in the Middle East in name of religion.
And why should I support a country whose government is not very concerned about the security of its people and tourists?
I have lived in Muslim countries. I have lived in predominantly Muslim countries where gay men are no less safe and accepted than they are in Europe (and rather safer than they are in France). Your sweeping assumptions about Islam and about Muslims are based entirely on ignorance.
What Muslim majority country is accepting of gay people?
And frankly, I think this is revolting. It is appallingly hypocritical to insist on the importance of 'human rights' for gay people while denying the same rights to other groups that suffer from far greater marginalisation.
What rights are Muslims denied in Western countries? They are welcomed with open arms and even get to impose their supremacist religion on everyone else.
Look at the polls. Muslims don't support western life, like the SJWs want us to believe.
Muslims don't really support anything that's not rooted in Islamic theology. Look at what's happening to religious minorities in every Muslim majority country.
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Anyone else notice that no one has posted all the great muslim countries for gays?
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Marine and Trump, she is a far better demagoge, and actually knows how to pull off the shite she wants to create… I thought people actually looked at what are the consequences of bad decisions, France is fucked a bit in either way... mais voila les rotis... Trump was a bad decision, Brexit was a bad decision and lE pen is a bad decision, not because they are supposed to be from the right etc.. but because the brexit is spiraling the UK into a mess that will take time to fix and was unnecessary, because TRUMP is obviously uncapable and as zero intent of helping any of his electorate or poor america getting jobs, and Marine is a wannabe dictator that would plummet the EU into a war zone, the EU needs reformation not dismantling... europe without the EU was not the most agreeable of sights, tho there are enormous errors to be corrected in policy it's far better to make it viable than plummet the south currencies and ignore the populism rise and east war front.
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europe without the EU was not the most agreeable of sights,
probably true for poor countries but not for contributors countries….
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europe without the EU was not the most agreeable of sights,
probably true for poor countries but not for contributors countries….
You have no memory and read no history then and watch no news, why do you think Sweden is getting an army now? It might surprise you but 'rich' europe was not at all in peace before the EU and not all that better off in terms of revenues and market, if you think the EU did not enrich the 'rich' countries you are delusional, also all countries are contributors in a free market, some receive more help because of stupid ideas like the eurozone etc… but do not confuse the eurozone project with the actual EU project. And I might shudder with most Macron policies, but he does say something which should be heard, if countries want to be part of the EU, they must accept some of the core values, you can't just take the profits of free market etc and then run a dictatorship disrespecting human rights... This can be seen as sovereign interference in country policies, yet guess what, who really wants to have a product with relations to slavery or tiranny etc in the current market? Some of you should actually learn the way in which countries acted pre EU agreements if you want to go back to living like that...
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The US has enriched Europe by doing most of the funding of NATO and the UN, allowing other countries to backslide on their agreements to pay their fair share.
The UK only voted to join the economic union. Nothing in the original vote had anything to do with a political union.
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if you think the EU did not enrich the 'rich' countries you are delusional
We give 23 billions euros every year and we get back 14 : loss every year 9 billons + loss of jobs because of troubles such as for instance these days Whirlpool + loss of industries … EOD.
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The UK is in the same boat. We get a lot less back than we put in.
Also, we are owed a rebate, thanks to Thatcher, but no UK PM has ever asked for us to actually get it back.
A few years ago, the EU tried to increase the amount the UK must pay in, based on the black and grey markets. They even went so far as to demand back "taxes" for 20 years on this money. This was just another nail in the coffin of the EU, as far as the UK was concerned.
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No matter the outcome of the French election, a woman will rule France;
Le Pen or Merkel
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A lot of people in France like Le Pen, (not because she's a woman which is good) but a lot of them like Macron. I think they just would like to see him naked. He's a globalist who wants the French people to bow down to the elite and take it up the ass, and many gays sadly find that appealing because he appeals to the victimhood class. He's a banker and has no interest in the people of France.
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if you think the EU did not enrich the 'rich' countries you are delusional
We give 23 billions euros every year and we get back 14 : loss every year 9 billons + loss of jobs because of troubles such as for instance these days Whirlpool + loss of industries … EOD.
Ahahahahahahahah in exactly what do you base those numbers? You do know that the figures were inspected and it is well known how much the debt of the piigs went to the german banking system, so perhaps some countries should be screaming to Merkel that the deutsche bank decided to play with the debt money and actually waste most of it. Follow the money and stop talking about make up numbers.
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oh boy, not this shit again. fuck off with this Chicken Little sky is falling bs with La Penne.
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A lot of people here seem to reference raw numbers that Britain loses due to being with the EU but nothing on what they lose by exiting. Britain as it stands now is poised to lose at a minimum 12% of their GDP due to the loss of the banking industry there. 12% from one source alone! They're poised to lose a lot more than that when you add everything up. Financial sectors are grouped by 3 regions. Banks want the most access to Europe and not being a part of the Euro is a no-go. Britain is a service economy. Their service sector makes up 78% of their GDP and their service is to mainly Euro groups. They're losing these accesses and banks would rather watch Britain wither than lose money trying to maintain Britain as the financial capital of Europe when they could easily just move. When was the last time you purchased something that said made in Britain? Their production industry has been phased almost completely out. Economist and investors are worried and casting a dim light on Britain because their is no discernible light at the end of the tunnel.
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A lot of people here seem to reference raw numbers that Britain loses due to being with the EU but nothing on what they lose by exiting. Britain as it stands now is poised to lose at a minimum 12% of their GDP due to the loss of the banking industry there. 12% from one source alone! They're poised to lose a lot more than that when you add everything up. Financial sectors are grouped by 3 regions. Banks want the most access to Europe and not being a part of the Euro is a no-go. Britain is a service economy. Their service sector makes up 78% of their GDP and their service is to mainly Euro groups. They're losing these accesses and banks would rather watch Britain wither than lose money trying to maintain Britain as the financial capital of Europe when they could easily just move. When was the last time you purchased something that said made in Britain? Their production industry has been phased almost completely out. Economist and investors are worried and casting a dim light on Britain because their is no discernible light at the end of the tunnel.
At the end of the day on Brexit, it's going to be a wash. The German banking system is what is holding the EU up, and it's in piss poor health. Germany also runs a trade surplus with Britain. A hard landing, with the shape their banks are in, while punishing Britain, would be catastrophic for Germany as well. So, let's be realistic. London may lose a little bit in banking, but not anywhere near the full 12% number, and rational heads will prevail, or else they will both sink. At the end of the day, the Germans are going to have the largest say on the terms of the Brexit from the EU side.
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