Marine Le Pen the Trump of France?
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First, I've traveled to France every 2-3 years for the past two decades. The incident in question was on my second to last day in France, occurred a few blocks from the Eiffel Tower, a nice avenue of coffee shops, which, compared to past visits is now extremely run down, of course, relative comparison to previous visits of the same neighborhood.
Several hundred Arab looking men literally lined the streets, were checking their smart phones after dark, and anytime a woman approach, completely surrounded her, and she would be at their mercy. It was truly a gauntlet. I paid the cafe owner 100 euros to get me out safely, and he explained this is a new norm. BTW, he had to take me out a back way, and walk me four blocks to my hotel. He further explained that the police are too intimidated to stand up, and that most of these men in question are migrants. Considering he owned the place and had been there for years, I'll take his word at face value. Plus, I always stop by his cafe once or twice when visiting. Finally, I've traveled enough to know.
At the various gay bars and places within the gay community in France that one would normally visit, both older and younger gays were petrified of the Muslim influx because radical Imams who preach violence against gays are permitted to do so openly, and the authorities basically stand down to both the Imams and large groups that organize, which by the way is supposed to be criminalized in France.
The real divide in France is not French law targeting Muslim communities. Most laws that are cited in the papers about French secularism targeting Islamic communities are never actually enforced, and law enforcement is afraid to confront Islamic areas of France, let alone enforce not wearing hijabs in public in Islamic areas. It's like old 1800's laws in the US prohibiting purchasing milk on Sundays in rural American counties; they're on the books, but not enforced.
The real divide in the gay community over who to support is between younger and older. Both are petrified of the migration wave, because the authorities are doing nothing to preserve what they believe French secularism brought them in terms of rights, and because most of the migrants that are coming are young, unaccompanied men, and according to the gays there very militant and radicalizing French Arabs. The vast majority of the gay community does not want any more migrants, want Islam to agree to secularization or be outlawed.
The divide comes between the young and the old on politics. They younger crowd tends to like Marine's positions on Islam, and there are many who believe Marine does not go far enough. The older crowd views Islam and Marine both with suspicion, primarily because Marine's father has said some very harsh stuff about gays, as the apple cannot fall far from the tree. Honestly, if Marine did not come with her father's baggage, from all the gays that I spoke to in France, should would be the landslide choice for French gays, and still is with the younger crowd.
The real problem in all of this from those I've spoken to while there is that Muslims were small in number in France, but never really integrated. But two decades of mass migration, zero assimilation, has led to two separate groups, Muslim and French, and the recent migrations have brought a militant brand of Islam that seems, judging from their Imams, unwilling to assimilate, and a French public that has grown weary of the militant nature of Islam in a secular country. This militancy is can probably be attributed to France's lack of integrating Islam into French society by getting some level of assimilation over the decades, but it's reached the point that there are two clear groups, both of which want something different and will not respect each other.
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The real problem in all of this from those I've spoken to while there is that Muslims were small in number in France, but never really integrated. But two decades of mass migration, zero assimilation, has led to two separate groups, Muslim and French, and the recent migrations have brought a militant brand of Islam that seems …
you are so so right ! ( I'm french btw ).
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It's not hard to be right when you visit three weeks before French 1st round election & leave one week before. It's all anyone would talk about. I was really amazed how people would talk so openly in the bars, and some cafes with liquor, but in any public place where they thought they weren't with people who would tolerate their opinion, everyone zipped up, like my momma used to say, absolutely nothing to say.
That sort of attitude left me with the fact there's two very separate camps, and when folks aren't talking to one another, that's a very bad sign that the next step is some sort of Balkanization that could actually lead to a civil war a la Bosnia. Love to hear a Frenchman's opinion on that. It was the one subject that was absolutely taboo on my visit.
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I don't think this is true. I am ready to be corrected, but I am not aware of any reasonable public debate in France that has been "shut down" or labelled as racist and Islamophobic. In fact the public debate in France is extremely robust. This idea that people raising genuine and legitimate critiques of Islam are being oppressed and stifled just does not wash with me.
Aren't FN meetings under constant attack? Wasn't Le Pen herself a victim of censorship for posting a tweet showcasing ISIS crimes?
http://www.lepoint.fr/politique/nantes-un-bus-de-supporteurs-du-fn-attaque-26-02-2017-2107676_20.php
http://www.ouest-france.fr/pays-de-la-loire/orvault-44700/orvault-des-cocktails-molotov-lances-sur-la-permanence-du-front-national-4949119In fact, I think this claim is itself an attempt to distract attention from a much bigger and more pressing problem in France: genuine institutionalised racism and prejudice in French society.
It's hard to be accepting when Muslims are terrorizing, raping and murdering Europeans.
It is certainly true that second and third-generation Arabs are turning their backs on the liberalism of their parents, and questions need to be asked about why this is. It also needs to be asked why this is happening in France so much more than in other countries: radicalisation of young Muslims is not an exclusively French problem, but it seems to be a far more serious issue in France than in it is in - say - Britain or Germany or Scandinavia. France has a really serious problem with disaffected and marginalised young Muslims who were born in France but do not feel French, and feel they have no stake in their own country or in the values of the Republic. And it is of course perfectly legitimate to ask whether this problem is related to the nature of Islam. But it is also necessary to ask whether this problem has anything to do with the nature of France.
The typical European jihadist is not marginalized, they are often middle or upper class people. These people don't feel French and they don't want to, Islam is a supremacist religion and they believe Europeans are kafirs.
There are hundreds of marginalized groups in Western societies but only one is carrying out thousands of attacks every year in name of their religion. If the problem was French society, countries like India, Myanmar, China and the Philippines wouldn't be affected by Islamic terrorism.
Finally, yes, terrorism is a fact of life. But it's nothing new. In much of Europe (Spain, Britain, Italy), terrorism has been a fact of life for decades. France has suffered terrorism continuously throughout the twentieth century from all manner of political and religious groups. It's nothing new, but it is a fact of life and people live with it: like the posters say, we "keep calm and carry on." You are considerably more likely to be struck by lightning than killed by a terrorist. You're more likely to slip and break your neck on a bathmat. So you might want to lower your umbrella when you go out in a storm, but avoiding French airports because of a negligible risk is just silly.
Terrorism is not a fact of life and should not be accepted as such. Terrorist activity was declining in Western Europe until Islamic terrorism became a problem due to uncontrolled migration. No terrorist group in Western Europe in recent history has engaged in the same type of mass murder, genocide and slavery that is daily practiced in the Middle East in name of religion.
And why should I support a country whose government is not very concerned about the security of its people and tourists?
I have lived in Muslim countries. I have lived in predominantly Muslim countries where gay men are no less safe and accepted than they are in Europe (and rather safer than they are in France). Your sweeping assumptions about Islam and about Muslims are based entirely on ignorance.
What Muslim majority country is accepting of gay people?
And frankly, I think this is revolting. It is appallingly hypocritical to insist on the importance of 'human rights' for gay people while denying the same rights to other groups that suffer from far greater marginalisation.
What rights are Muslims denied in Western countries? They are welcomed with open arms and even get to impose their supremacist religion on everyone else.
Look at the polls. Muslims don't support western life, like the SJWs want us to believe.
Muslims don't really support anything that's not rooted in Islamic theology. Look at what's happening to religious minorities in every Muslim majority country.
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Anyone else notice that no one has posted all the great muslim countries for gays?
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Marine and Trump, she is a far better demagoge, and actually knows how to pull off the shite she wants to create… I thought people actually looked at what are the consequences of bad decisions, France is fucked a bit in either way... mais voila les rotis... Trump was a bad decision, Brexit was a bad decision and lE pen is a bad decision, not because they are supposed to be from the right etc.. but because the brexit is spiraling the UK into a mess that will take time to fix and was unnecessary, because TRUMP is obviously uncapable and as zero intent of helping any of his electorate or poor america getting jobs, and Marine is a wannabe dictator that would plummet the EU into a war zone, the EU needs reformation not dismantling... europe without the EU was not the most agreeable of sights, tho there are enormous errors to be corrected in policy it's far better to make it viable than plummet the south currencies and ignore the populism rise and east war front.
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europe without the EU was not the most agreeable of sights,
probably true for poor countries but not for contributors countries….
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europe without the EU was not the most agreeable of sights,
probably true for poor countries but not for contributors countries….
You have no memory and read no history then and watch no news, why do you think Sweden is getting an army now? It might surprise you but 'rich' europe was not at all in peace before the EU and not all that better off in terms of revenues and market, if you think the EU did not enrich the 'rich' countries you are delusional, also all countries are contributors in a free market, some receive more help because of stupid ideas like the eurozone etc… but do not confuse the eurozone project with the actual EU project. And I might shudder with most Macron policies, but he does say something which should be heard, if countries want to be part of the EU, they must accept some of the core values, you can't just take the profits of free market etc and then run a dictatorship disrespecting human rights... This can be seen as sovereign interference in country policies, yet guess what, who really wants to have a product with relations to slavery or tiranny etc in the current market? Some of you should actually learn the way in which countries acted pre EU agreements if you want to go back to living like that...
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The US has enriched Europe by doing most of the funding of NATO and the UN, allowing other countries to backslide on their agreements to pay their fair share.
The UK only voted to join the economic union. Nothing in the original vote had anything to do with a political union.
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if you think the EU did not enrich the 'rich' countries you are delusional
We give 23 billions euros every year and we get back 14 : loss every year 9 billons + loss of jobs because of troubles such as for instance these days Whirlpool + loss of industries … EOD.
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The UK is in the same boat. We get a lot less back than we put in.
Also, we are owed a rebate, thanks to Thatcher, but no UK PM has ever asked for us to actually get it back.
A few years ago, the EU tried to increase the amount the UK must pay in, based on the black and grey markets. They even went so far as to demand back "taxes" for 20 years on this money. This was just another nail in the coffin of the EU, as far as the UK was concerned.
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No matter the outcome of the French election, a woman will rule France;
Le Pen or Merkel
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A lot of people in France like Le Pen, (not because she's a woman which is good) but a lot of them like Macron. I think they just would like to see him naked. He's a globalist who wants the French people to bow down to the elite and take it up the ass, and many gays sadly find that appealing because he appeals to the victimhood class. He's a banker and has no interest in the people of France.
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if you think the EU did not enrich the 'rich' countries you are delusional
We give 23 billions euros every year and we get back 14 : loss every year 9 billons + loss of jobs because of troubles such as for instance these days Whirlpool + loss of industries … EOD.
Ahahahahahahahah in exactly what do you base those numbers? You do know that the figures were inspected and it is well known how much the debt of the piigs went to the german banking system, so perhaps some countries should be screaming to Merkel that the deutsche bank decided to play with the debt money and actually waste most of it. Follow the money and stop talking about make up numbers.
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oh boy, not this shit again. fuck off with this Chicken Little sky is falling bs with La Penne.
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A lot of people here seem to reference raw numbers that Britain loses due to being with the EU but nothing on what they lose by exiting. Britain as it stands now is poised to lose at a minimum 12% of their GDP due to the loss of the banking industry there. 12% from one source alone! They're poised to lose a lot more than that when you add everything up. Financial sectors are grouped by 3 regions. Banks want the most access to Europe and not being a part of the Euro is a no-go. Britain is a service economy. Their service sector makes up 78% of their GDP and their service is to mainly Euro groups. They're losing these accesses and banks would rather watch Britain wither than lose money trying to maintain Britain as the financial capital of Europe when they could easily just move. When was the last time you purchased something that said made in Britain? Their production industry has been phased almost completely out. Economist and investors are worried and casting a dim light on Britain because their is no discernible light at the end of the tunnel.
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A lot of people here seem to reference raw numbers that Britain loses due to being with the EU but nothing on what they lose by exiting. Britain as it stands now is poised to lose at a minimum 12% of their GDP due to the loss of the banking industry there. 12% from one source alone! They're poised to lose a lot more than that when you add everything up. Financial sectors are grouped by 3 regions. Banks want the most access to Europe and not being a part of the Euro is a no-go. Britain is a service economy. Their service sector makes up 78% of their GDP and their service is to mainly Euro groups. They're losing these accesses and banks would rather watch Britain wither than lose money trying to maintain Britain as the financial capital of Europe when they could easily just move. When was the last time you purchased something that said made in Britain? Their production industry has been phased almost completely out. Economist and investors are worried and casting a dim light on Britain because their is no discernible light at the end of the tunnel.
At the end of the day on Brexit, it's going to be a wash. The German banking system is what is holding the EU up, and it's in piss poor health. Germany also runs a trade surplus with Britain. A hard landing, with the shape their banks are in, while punishing Britain, would be catastrophic for Germany as well. So, let's be realistic. London may lose a little bit in banking, but not anywhere near the full 12% number, and rational heads will prevail, or else they will both sink. At the end of the day, the Germans are going to have the largest say on the terms of the Brexit from the EU side.
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