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    • R Offline
      rawr
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      @insex:

      As for me problem is very clear, it's only my opinion from the side, but open borders with South America is really destructing US people, There are a lot drugs from Mexico and сountries below, causes standart rule of capitalism "supply and demand". So the Wall, really save your nation. Maybe Trump too concentrate on the border, but definetely it makes sense, cause i've never heard before that illegal immigrants, can vote for the POTUS, it was also shock for me. How it really could happen, and why no one seems don't care about Person ID's, when voting, for such important things.

      We don't have "open borders" that's a political/media lie. I definitely think we need better border security on the southern border (and the vast majority of Americans agree) but a physical wall is incredibly cost ineffective. I have no idea where the majority of drugs entering the US come from, but I do know that there are many, many other sources than the Mexican border. Even if the wall could effectively stop the flow of drugs from Mexico (it won't) that does absolutely nothing to stop the flow in other regions. Even, in regions of the southern border where there are walls, the drug cartels tunnel underneath it, or smuggle the drugs in cars/trucks and go right through the border crossing.

      Some members of the TSA (Airport Security Police Force) were recently caught smuggling massive amounts of cocaine. Walls don't stop airplanes and it's nothing new.

      https://www.rt.com/usa/377252-tsa-cocaine-smuggling-tons/

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        insex
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        @rawr:

        We don't have "open borders" that's a political/media lie. I definitely think we need better border security on the southern border (and the vast majority of Americans agree) but a physical wall is incredibly cost ineffective. I have no idea where the majority of drugs entering the US come from, but I do know that there are many, many other sources than the Mexican border. Even if the wall could effectively stop the flow of drugs from Mexico (it won't) that does absolutely nothing to stop the flow in other regions. Even, in regions of the southern border where there are walls, the drug cartels tunnel underneath it, or smuggle the drugs in cars/trucks and go right through the border crossing.

        Some members of the TSA (Airport Security Police Force) were recently caught smuggling massive amounts of cocaine. Walls don't stop airplanes and it's nothing new.

        https://www.rt.com/usa/377252-tsa-cocaine-smuggling-tons/

        Of course it's not fully helps, but as for me, more control on the borders, could help, at least tunnels, most of them, will be closed and prevent to build another. The Great Wall helps China through the history, why such wall couldn't help there. 95% of the drugs comes from South America. I like Duterte position about drugs, so maybe US could took his methods in the future. With air is always more control, then with ground. Also good law-height radar-system near with border will helps, too. Cost ineffective or effective, who cares, if Mexico will pay for that.

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          Optimah
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          There is no way a wall will keep drugs out of the country, as long as there is demand they will find their way into the country.

          Mexico will never pay for the wall, unless the US invades them, I don't know why anyone has ever believed that.

          Duterte is a murderer, his "methods" are called murder, Russians might be OK with that but that's certainly not what the US is going to do.

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            rawr
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            @insex:

            Of course it's not fully helps, but as for me, more control on the borders, could help, at least tunnels, most of them, will be closed and prevent to build another. The Great Wall helps China through the history, why such wall couldn't help there. 95% of the drugs comes from South America. I like Duterte position about drugs, so maybe US could took his methods in the future. With air is always more control, then with ground. Also good law-height radar-system near with border will helps, too. Cost ineffective or effective, who cares, if Mexico will pay for that.

            The US has been at war with drugs for 40+ years. It doesn't really work, the US has the largest prison population of any country. Duterte's tactics may work in such a small country, but I don't see it lasting and there's zero evidence that such tactics are effective long term. The people who participate in the drug trade are attracted to risk and the money associated with high risk activities. All US policy has done, is make the drug business more lucrative for the dealers.

            US Tax payers are paying. Mexico isn't paying for anything. The estimate for the wall is 20-25 billion dollars.

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            • insexI Offline
              insex
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              @Optimah:

              Duterte is a murderer, his "methods" are called murder, Russians might be OK with that but that's certainly not what the US is going to do.

              We live in interesting time, this man want health nation and clean up trash. West media says that he is a murderer.. But at the same time real mass marderer Anders Behring Breivik live in nice prison and moaning about that he has only PlayStation 3 and wants PlayStation 4.
              Our World is up side down…

              @rawr:

              The US has been at war with drugs for 40+ years. It doesn't really work, the US has the largest prison population of any country. Duterte's tactics may work in such a small country, but I don't see it lasting and there's zero evidence that such tactics are effective long term. The people who participate in the drug trade are attracted to risk and the money associated with high risk activities. All US policy has done, is make the drug business more lucrative for the dealers.

              US Tax payers are paying. Mexico isn't paying for anything. The estimate for the wall is 20-25 billion dollars.

              Time will show, I think. I will hope that World is now starting new Era, hope it will be truer and more transparent.

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                rezurrected
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                @rezurrected:

                :afraid2: STALIN APOCALYPSE  :crazy2:

                You're war mongers. You contribute to the misery in Syria and in and around your borders  :bithfight:

                Insex your hypocrisy and bullshit knows no bounds, like your lack of knowledge.@rawr:

                @insex:

                As for me problem is very clear, it's only my opinion from the side, but open borders with South America is really destructing US people, There are a lot drugs from Mexico and сountries below, causes standart rule of capitalism "supply and demand". So the Wall, really save your nation. Maybe Trump too concentrate on the border, but definetely it makes sense, cause i've never heard before that illegal immigrants, can vote for the POTUS, it was also shock for me. How it really could happen, and why no one seems don't care about Person ID's, when voting, for such important things.

                We don't have "open borders" that's a political/media lie. I definitely think we need better border security on the southern border (and the vast majority of Americans agree) but a physical wall is incredibly cost ineffective. I have no idea where the majority of drugs entering the US come from, but I do know that there are many, many other sources than the Mexican border. Even if the wall could effectively stop the flow of drugs from Mexico (it won't) that does absolutely nothing to stop the flow in other regions. Even, in regions of the southern border where there are walls, the drug cartels tunnel underneath it, or smuggle the drugs in cars/trucks and go right through the border crossing.

                Some members of the TSA (Airport Security Police Force) were recently caught smuggling massive amounts of cocaine. Walls don't stop airplanes and it's nothing new.

                https://www.rt.com/usa/377252-tsa-cocaine-smuggling-tons/

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                • insexI Offline
                  insex
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                  rezurrected
                  Oh, i think, now I understand, who changed my pic near with the name of my topic, from "question mark" to "thumb down", I wrote already about it, to helpdesk, hope they will find this man with power, but without brains.

                  So, anyway, you're like those strange people who shout out loud, without ANY arguments, only talking words: "hypocrisy", "educate yourself" and others very highly educated things… good luck...

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                  • rezurrectedR Offline
                    rezurrected
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                    :bravo: Every time you write a reply to a reply you make yourself appear more ignorant  🚽 than the previous reply. IMO!!! These are the countries Russia has invaded in the last twenty years smart guy: Ukraine, Georgia, Afghanistan, Moldova  🇲🇩 and Chechnya.  :google: War Mongers

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                      altoids582
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                      @insex:

                      and NOW here comes TRUMP, you can criticize him for anything you want.
                      But the most important thing that he will save you from the WAR, from the REAL WAR.
                      The most of you don't know about it nothing, and don't imagine what is it.

                      Russian people know a lot about war, and don't want it again, but if the war will start, we will fight.  :cool2:

                      Thus, if for you TRUMP = homophobe, racist, rapist and other things. Please imagine, will you still moaning about it, when your hometown will lie in ruins after nuclear bomb, i don't think so…

                      I'm still amazed how little attention anyone people have to Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton both talking during the second(?) Democratic primary debate that they wanted to form a Bush style coalition of countries to go into Syria with. Both even seemed perfectly comfortable with having the US fighting Russia as though that made any sense whatsoever.

                      It's helped to make me incredibly happy to see as Trump was getting into office all those "moderate rebel" groups lamenting they weren't receiving so much support from the US anymore. America's foreign policy has been batshit insane for years and we finally have someone in office that is against going dick waving with our military in every country that looks at us funny. Yet in spite of this, we have a collection of Russophobic journalists in the media that try fear mongering regarding Russia at every turn, some of the loonier ones like Louise Mensch suggesting anyone on social media that isn't petrified of Russia (or even god forbid pro-Putin) is secretly some paid Russian internet troll.

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                        Zipperface
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                        https://www.gaytor.rent/userdetails.php?id=381852

                        You, sir, are a sick sick person.

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                        • insexI Offline
                          insex
                          last edited by

                          @altoids582:

                          I'm still amazed how little attention anyone people have to Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton both talking during the second(?) Democratic primary debate that they wanted to form a Bush style coalition of countries to go into Syria with. Both even seemed perfectly comfortable with having the US fighting Russia as though that made any sense whatsoever.

                          It's helped to make me incredibly happy to see as Trump was getting into office all those "moderate rebel" groups lamenting they weren't receiving so much support from the US anymore. America's foreign policy has been batshit insane for years and we finally have someone in office that is against going dick waving with our military in every country that looks at us funny. Yet in spite of this, we have a collection of Russophobic journalists in the media that try fear mongering regarding Russia at every turn, some of the loonier ones like Louise Mensch suggesting anyone on social media that isn't petrified of Russia (or even god forbid pro-Putin) is secretly some paid Russian internet troll.

                          It's the same old story over and over and over again, in the middle centures it was Europe, now it's US, nothing new. This person which above your reply, classic example. Pity that US gov, very active rewriting the history, pity that with them money destroying history of the world, when was destroyed Temple of Baalshamin and Triumphal Arch in Palmyra by ISIS, they still shout that they are poor freedom army not terrorists and how dare this agressive Russians came and save object of UNESCO World Heritage. So now ISIS again conquer Palmyra and destroyed already Roman Theater. All this doing only for dividing countries, divide Syria was US plan, and it didn't work, but works with Iraq, works with Libya. Make a mess in countries very strange US gov. tradition, as I know, from Trump books, it's all about dollar and big debt before US people, and War for the US gov is the only answer. No matter with whom, but it must be the war.

                          Every day I ask a question, how so young country like a teenager, does all this bad stuff and nothing happend with him, but offsping period will end someday, maybe somethings will change in Adult period, but if not, I don't know what exactly will happend with such country, definetely it will be something bad, and it's too sad as for me, cause of: Art-Deco, Detroit Borocco, Space Age Style, and some classic Hollywood. It's real good things, but all this was in the past, not now.

                          In conclusion for the most Russians, Gays or Straights no matter, all this rhetoric from the West, already makes us smile and sometimes laugh. I think Putin (based on the west media) nowadays everywhere, you can blame him for everything you want, you had a bad haircut, your telephone is broken, your boyfriend break up with you, all bad things in your life, that you can imagine. Only one man guilty for this — PUTIN. It's a fun paradox, non-sense and absurd for us, but we ok with that, just some political satire, cause life is not easy in Russia, and we have to deal with a lot problems, we simply don't have time to care about poor pandas, lgbt, feminism and etc. We just want blue sky above our heads.
                          How sang Victor Tsoi in one of his songs:
                          "But if there's a pack of cigarettes in my pocket
                          Then the day's not all that bad"

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                            Minerboh80
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                            Welcome!  😉 😉 😉

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                              insex
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                              @Minerboh80:

                              Welcome!  😉 😉 😉

                              Oh it's you change it back, icon of Question Mark near with the name of the topic?
                              Pity that strange moderator, changes it back to "thumb down".

                              Thought all americans know their constitution especially part of freedom of speech, now I know that not all… sad

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                                Minerboh80
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                                @insex:

                                @Minerboh80:

                                Welcome!  😉 😉 😉

                                Oh it's you change it back, icon of Question Mark near with the name of the topic?
                                Pity that strange moderator, changes it back to "thumb down".

                                Thought all americans know their constitution especially part of freedom of speech, now I know that not all… sad

                                Αhh, you must be confusing me with someone else. I am not an american, i am greek.
                                Please, check my profil before replying and stating weird things.

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                                • insexI Offline
                                  insex
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                                  @Minerboh80:

                                  Welcome!  😉 😉 😉

                                  So, in that case, what this weird "Welcome" means?
                                  Maybe you should stop to write wierd, non-sense things…

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                                    Minerboh80
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                                    @insex:

                                    @Minerboh80:

                                    Welcome!  😉 😉 😉

                                    So, in that case, what this weird "Welcome" means?
                                    Maybe you should stop to write wierd, non-sense things…

                                    I saw the title of the thead and i assumed that you were a new user. The wlcome means exactly that…. welcome as welcome to the forum. I agree that i should have red the original post but that doesn't mean that you should be hostile.

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                                    • insexI Offline
                                      insex
                                      last edited by

                                      @Minerboh80:

                                      check my profil before replying and stating weird things.

                                      and after that

                                      @Minerboh80:

                                      but that doesn't mean that you should be hostile.

                                      nice, very nice… you started it first, honey...

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                                        Minerboh80
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                                        @insex:

                                        @Minerboh80:

                                        check my profil before replying and stating weird things.

                                        and after that

                                        @Minerboh80:

                                        but that doesn't mean that you should be hostile.

                                        nice, very nice… you started it first, honey…

                                        Ιn your twisted imagination, maybe. And drop the attitude. By all means, i am not your ''honey''.
                                        Go have a cold drink and then, we can talk.

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                                          amb32
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                                          what is this guy even ranting about, i suppose one of the many victims of fake news and putin propaganda….

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                                            raphjd Forum Administrator
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                                            @insex:

                                            rezurrected
                                            Oh, i think, now I understand, who changed my pic near with the name of my topic, from "question mark" to "thumb down", I wrote already about it, to helpdesk, hope they will find this man with power, but without brains.

                                            So, anyway, you're like those strange people who shout out loud, without ANY arguments, only talking words: "hypocrisy", "educate yourself" and others very highly educated things… good luck...

                                            Our forum software changes the thread icon based on down vote and up votes of the original post.  I confirmed this by manually resetting it several times and it immediately changed back to th Thumbs Down icon.

                                            This isn't caused by a "bad" moderator.

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