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      TheNewt
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      Yes I believe in God, even though I am bisexual.

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        mufum69
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        I never used to believe in god.
        As a matter of fact I blamed god for the way I turned out.
        But when I was down on my luck and asked for help god was there to help.
        He didn't ask what my sexual preference was, he just helped.

        I think people confuse god with the punishing church and their ideals.
        My god is not a punishing god
        Probably why I live a spiritual life
        And why I have peace of mind today

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          Thalion
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          Of course I do, even more, I pray for getting pregnant

          Talk to me, we'll have fun, skype: thalion66, sc: hurin_thalion20, kik:thalion66

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            jkronfuss
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            Yes, I'm a Roman Catholic, I was raised as one and despite what the Church says I rely in the Bible, I love my boyfriend, is love, not lust… and that book just mention sodomy in the Apocalipsis so they can go f*ck themselves, I do believe in God.  ^-^

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              aushook
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              absolutely 100% yes  🙂 He's been so good even in the lowest point of my life, He was there to help me!

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                syuvan12
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                I don't think there's any relation.

                As for if I believe in God, kind of. Lemme explain.
                I believe that there is some God-like entity out there somewhere, but I don't believe in any religion, least of all those religions which bash other religions and discriminate. I mean, sure there are many good things we can learn from religion (I was raised as a Hindu, and there are a lot of stories and tales from which you can learn a lot of life lessons) but that's no reason to literally start killing people because they don't believe in the same thing.
                So, basically, I don't believe in creationism and I'm all for science and The Big Bang Theory and stuff. But here's my theory/belief: According to the Big Bang Theory, the entire universe was like a dense structure and then there was a Big Bang and everything started expanding, right? But what created (Idk if that's the word I'm looking for) this dense structure? My belief is that some God-like entity may have created it.

                Another theory I believe is that God, or any equivalent to God, is kinda like Schrödinger's cat. God is neither real nor unreal until we can see God. Does that make any sense?

                But then again, I try not to get too engrossed in these subjects, cuz like it or not, we're probably not gonna get an answer to whether there is a God or not in our lifetime. Of course we should continue research and stuff about the creation of the universe, but there's no point in common people like us to be arguing about this kinda stuff.

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                  Thalion
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                  @syuvan12:

                  I don't think there's any relation.

                  As for if I believe in God, kind of. Lemme explain.
                  I believe that there is some God-like entity out there somewhere, but I don't believe in any religion, least of all those religions which bash other religions and discriminate. I mean, sure there are many good things we can learn from religion (I was raised as a Hindu, and there are a lot of stories and tales from which you can learn a lot of life lessons) but that's no reason to literally start killing people because they don't believe in the same thing.
                  So, basically, I don't believe in creationism and I'm all for science and The Big Bang Theory and stuff. But here's my theory/belief: According to the Big Bang Theory, the entire universe was like a dense structure and then there was a Big Bang and everything started expanding, right? But what created (Idk if that's the word I'm looking for) this dense structure? My belief is that some God-like entity may have created it.

                  Another theory I believe is that God, or any equivalent to God, is kinda like Schrödinger's cat. God is neither real nor unreal until we can see God. Does that make any sense?

                  But then again, I try not to get too engrossed in these subjects, cuz like it or not, we're probably not gonna get an answer to whether there is a God or not in our lifetime. Of course we should continue research and stuff about the creation of the universe, but there's no point in common people like us to be arguing about this kinda stuff.

                  Well, as a physcist i must say that there is not need for a "god", the actual theories, must to be proven, i need to say, allows the begining of the universe from nothing because of the concept of quantum vaccum. The quantum theories says that there are particles always stepping in and out of reality, since their life time is too small to be measured. This quantum fluctuation produced the big bang and all we know. Of course it is not my intention to offend the believes of any one, just saying about the actual theoriesof the physcists. But the beauty of physics is that it wants to explain everything through mathemathics, and with evidence, obviously

                  I'm not sure about a theologist or a phylosopher would say about your belive of schrodinger's god, but, some where i read that the proof of god is way beyond the hands of science. As a  physcist your analogy is kind of cute, and weird.

                  Talk to me, we'll have fun, skype: thalion66, sc: hurin_thalion20, kik:thalion66

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                    Zipperface
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                    No. Now if you were to ask, "What is God?" I would answer,  "The sum total of the universe." Do I believe this exists? Well, let's just say that those that think reality is a mere simulation are either nuts, Phillip K. Dick or rich assholes. Yes, reality is real. But do I have to worship it in some pagan way, I'd say, "no".  Respect it certainly; it can kill you! But worship, not so much.

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                      famousbovine
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                      God? Whose? Hmmm, I guess "god" couldn't care less what humans do, it wouldn't meddle with our petty affairs, considering that he's god. But the word god has a very flexible nature. Meh, fuck god.

                      "A witty saying proves nothing."

                      • Voltaire
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                        neverpullout
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                        As far as I'm concerned religious people are fucking evil.  Believe in yourself, that's all you need !!!

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                          older4me
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                          I believe in a higher power. What that might be, I have no idea. I don't believe in organized religion.

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                            tempbo
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                            Of course I don't believe in god. I'm too old for imaginary friends. If you examine the evidence for god (there is none) it becomes immediately obvious. I do understand the appeal of living in denial of basic reality, but I just can't do it personally.

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                              Domosuke
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                              Yes I'm a gay black Christian. To me god exists.

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                                rufusmc
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                                No. I Wasn't raised in a family that believed in any god, not seen much in the world that makes me feel there is a benevolent god looking after us.

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                                  z3n1th
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                                  Nope… and my belief (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with the fact that I'm gay... lol

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                                    alma
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                                    yes .

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                                      unpleased
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                                      @Thalion:

                                      @syuvan12:

                                      I don't think there's any relation.

                                      As for if I believe in God, kind of. Lemme explain.
                                      I believe that there is some God-like entity out there somewhere, but I don't believe in any religion, least of all those religions which bash other religions and discriminate. I mean, sure there are many good things we can learn from religion (I was raised as a Hindu, and there are a lot of stories and tales from which you can learn a lot of life lessons) but that's no reason to literally start killing people because they don't believe in the same thing.
                                      So, basically, I don't believe in creationism and I'm all for science and The Big Bang Theory and stuff. But here's my theory/belief: According to the Big Bang Theory, the entire universe was like a dense structure and then there was a Big Bang and everything started expanding, right? But what created (Idk if that's the word I'm looking for) this dense structure? My belief is that some God-like entity may have created it.

                                      Another theory I believe is that God, or any equivalent to God, is kinda like Schrödinger's cat. God is neither real nor unreal until we can see God. Does that make any sense?

                                      But then again, I try not to get too engrossed in these subjects, cuz like it or not, we're probably not gonna get an answer to whether there is a God or not in our lifetime. Of course we should continue research and stuff about the creation of the universe, but there's no point in common people like us to be arguing about this kinda stuff.

                                      Well, as a physcist i must say that there is not need for a "god", the actual theories, must to be proven, i need to say, allows the begining of the universe from nothing because of the concept of quantum vaccum. The quantum theories says that there are particles always stepping in and out of reality, since their life time is too small to be measured. This quantum fluctuation produced the big bang and all we know. Of course it is not my intention to offend the believes of any one, just saying about the actual theoriesof the physcists. But the beauty of physics is that it wants to explain everything through mathemathics, and with evidence, obviously

                                      I'm not sure about a theologist or a phylosopher would say about your belive of schrodinger's god, but, some where i read that the proof of god is way beyond the hands of science. As a  physcist your analogy is kind of cute, and weird.

                                      Uhmmm if I understand correctly what you wrote you are referring to the physical nature of the quantum vacuum.
                                      There is no need for god in physics is yet to be said : …

                                      <<
                                      The Higgs boson has been measured as an energy distribution with a peak of 5σ and a mass of 126 GeV.

                                      You know the Higgs boson is called the god particle for a reason,
                                      and this reason is because it is the key to further research in physics.
                                      This research has a unique scope: a unified theory.

                                      This unified theory is what you need to say if you need what Aristoteles called "first cause - unmoved mover" (an alias for god) or not.
                                      And there is plenty of philosophical writings about this ...
                                      Let's quote only "De philosophia" to have a direct bound with the principles of Christian theology known as Augustinianism,
                                      (that accredited philosophically the Catholic Christian religion).

                                      What the physics currently lacks is a theory that properly fit into (read predict/foretell) this fact (the mass) ...

                                      Apparently the mass of the boson is really interesting as it was believed:
                                      it is located in a sort of no man's land,
                                      it does not prefer symmetries, which would require a mass contained in a interval of about 115 GeV,
                                      nor a multiverse, which would require a mass contained in an interval of about 140 GeV,
                                      it is perfectly located in the center.

                                      The data were puzzling for physicists,
                                      because they do not exclude any of the accepted theories,
                                      but they require some adjustments to each of them (to exclude paradoxes) ...

                                      One boson with this mass is a critical data for the fate of the universe because, without any other particle, this makes it unstable, temporary;
                                      and since higgs holds everything together, if the boson were to disappear, everything would disappear altogether.
                                      Higgs, the center of the standard model, could also be the one that will destroy everything:
                                      the creator and destroyer, like an all in one Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu.
                                      Let's have another binding with another religion, but this could go further with any of the existent ...

                                      It is unlikely that any of the current theories, without being refined and revised to predict the discovered phenomena,
                                      manages to be proven, and therefore,
                                      saying that current theories do not need a god, then the physics does not need a god, is a stretch, a big big big stretch.

                                      The science doesn't know.
                                      What we, as a specie, have found during the scientific journey is what Dante Alighieri wrote as

                                      Considerate la vostra semenza:
                                      fatti non foste a viver come bruti,
                                      ma per seguir virtute e canoscenza.
                                      (vv. 118-120 / Inferno / Canto twenty-sixth)

                                      Consider well the seed that gave you birth: you were not made to live as brutes, but to follow virtue and knowledge.

                                      That God exists or not, it will not change what we learned:
                                      what defines us is what we do, what we do is what makes us who we are, humans.

                                      And regardless of any loophole used by any human interpretation of any dogma to justify murder and discrimination,
                                      no one should be remembered for barbarism (also against homosexuals).
                                      So let's everyone believes what makes feel better and what makes us strive to improve our behaviour,
                                      whatever it is, for the good of all.

                                      To answer that question, ontologically speaking, that makes perfect sense (if you have been able to follow the thought):
                                      God is neither real nor unreal until you can see God (Principle of uncertainty &/or Gödel's incompleteness theorems).

                                      This is what Nietzsche takes for granted in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_dead:
                                      god is neither real or unreal until you see him, but to see him, you have to kill him
                                      ( in the sense that to undercover god you have to debunk him first ) …
                                      Side side note : one of his books, that partially concerns this, has been named "the gay science"  >:D

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                                        Thalion
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                                        @unpleased:

                                        @Thalion:

                                        @syuvan12:

                                        I don't think there's any relation.

                                        As for if I believe in God, kind of. Lemme explain.
                                        I believe that there is some God-like entity out there somewhere, but I don't believe in any religion, least of all those religions which bash other religions and discriminate. I mean, sure there are many good things we can learn from religion (I was raised as a Hindu, and there are a lot of stories and tales from which you can learn a lot of life lessons) but that's no reason to literally start killing people because they don't believe in the same thing.
                                        So, basically, I don't believe in creationism and I'm all for science and The Big Bang Theory and stuff. But here's my theory/belief: According to the Big Bang Theory, the entire universe was like a dense structure and then there was a Big Bang and everything started expanding, right? But what created (Idk if that's the word I'm looking for) this dense structure? My belief is that some God-like entity may have created it.

                                        Another theory I believe is that God, or any equivalent to God, is kinda like Schrödinger's cat. God is neither real nor unreal until we can see God. Does that make any sense?

                                        But then again, I try not to get too engrossed in these subjects, cuz like it or not, we're probably not gonna get an answer to whether there is a God or not in our lifetime. Of course we should continue research and stuff about the creation of the universe, but there's no point in common people like us to be arguing about this kinda stuff.

                                        Well, as a physcist i must say that there is not need for a "god", the actual theories, must to be proven, i need to say, allows the begining of the universe from nothing because of the concept of quantum vaccum. The quantum theories says that there are particles always stepping in and out of reality, since their life time is too small to be measured. This quantum fluctuation produced the big bang and all we know. Of course it is not my intention to offend the believes of any one, just saying about the actual theoriesof the physcists. But the beauty of physics is that it wants to explain everything through mathemathics, and with evidence, obviously

                                        I'm not sure about a theologist or a phylosopher would say about your belive of schrodinger's god, but, some where i read that the proof of god is way beyond the hands of science. As a  physcist your analogy is kind of cute, and weird.

                                        Uhmmm if I understand correctly what you wrote you are referring to the physical nature of the quantum vacuum.
                                        There is no need for god in physics is yet to be said : …

                                        <<
                                        The Higgs boson has been measured as an energy distribution with a peak of 5σ and a mass of 126 GeV.

                                        You know the Higgs boson is called the god particle for a reason,
                                        and this reason is because it is the key to further research in physics.
                                        This research has a unique scope: a unified theory.

                                        This unified theory is what you need to say if you need what Aristoteles called "first cause - unmoved mover" (an alias for god) or not.
                                        And there is plenty of philosophical writings about this ...
                                        Let's quote only "De philosophia" to have a direct bound with the principles of Christian theology known as Augustinianism,
                                        (that accredited philosophically the Catholic Christian religion).

                                        What the physics currently lacks is a theory that properly fit into (read predict/foretell) this fact (the mass) ...

                                        Apparently the mass of the boson is really interesting as it was believed:
                                        it is located in a sort of no man's land,
                                        it does not prefer symmetries, which would require a mass contained in a interval of about 115 GeV,
                                        nor a multiverse, which would require a mass contained in an interval of about 140 GeV,
                                        it is perfectly located in the center.

                                        The data were puzzling for physicists,
                                        because they do not exclude any of the accepted theories,
                                        but they require some adjustments to each of them (to exclude paradoxes) ...

                                        One boson with this mass is a critical data for the fate of the universe because, without any other particle, this makes it unstable, temporary;
                                        and since higgs holds everything together, if the boson were to disappear, everything would disappear altogether.
                                        Higgs, the center of the standard model, could also be the one that will destroy everything:
                                        the creator and destroyer, like an all in one Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu.
                                        Let's have another binding with another religion, but this could go further with any of the existent ...

                                        It is unlikely that any of the current theories, without being refined and revised to predict the discovered phenomena,
                                        manages to be proven, and therefore,
                                        saying that current theories do not need a god, then the physics does not need a god, is a stretch, a big big big stretch.

                                        The science doesn't know.
                                        What we, as a specie, have found during the scientific journey is what Dante Alighieri wrote as

                                        Considerate la vostra semenza:
                                        fatti non foste a viver come bruti,
                                        ma per seguir virtute e canoscenza.
                                        (vv. 118-120 / Inferno / Canto twenty-sixth)

                                        Consider well the seed that gave you birth: you were not made to live as brutes, but to follow virtue and knowledge.

                                        That God exists or not, it will not change what we learned:
                                        what defines us is what we do, what we do is what makes us who we are, humans.

                                        And regardless of any loophole used by any human interpretation of any dogma to justify murder and discrimination,
                                        no one should be remembered for barbarism (also against homosexuals).
                                        So let's everyone believes what makes feel better and what makes us strive to improve our behaviour,
                                        whatever it is, for the good of all.

                                        To answer that question, ontologically speaking, that makes perfect sense (if you have been able to follow the thought):
                                        God is neither real nor unreal until you can see God (Principle of uncertainty &/or Gödel's incompleteness theorems).

                                        This is what Nietzsche takes for granted in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_dead:
                                        god is neither real or unreal until you see him, but to see him, you have to kill him
                                        ( in the sense that to undercover god you have to debunk him first ) …
                                        Side side note : one of his books, that partially concerns this, has been named "the gay science"  >:D

                                        I was talking about the fact that some theories that describes the universe as it is today requiring nothing but energy zero in its initial state. Several physicists like Lawrence Krauss, and of course Stephen Hawkings support the zero energy initial state. And actually it is not the quantum vaccum itself but some other phenomena i'm not famuliarized with.  The main evidence about the universe from a zero point has been observations related to background radiation. Of course yet it is needed more evidence about this topic. The main reason of this research is learning about cosmological constant. But I need more research

                                        The Higgs Field is the mechanism developed (yes,  developed by  Higgs and Englert to break spontaneously th CP simetry) to give mass to the elementary particles,  and just because Peter Higg's editor is why it is called god's particle. Several years ago  when its discover was announced was said that it could be the bososn predicted by Standard Model  how ever, i didn't  read the data you mention, but the mass reported seems actually fitting on stsndard model.

                                        And just speaking of that, Standard Model is best theory we have to explain the universe, its full of holes. It has 19 values that we just needed to get from the experimentale data. And the main prescence of  matter over antimatter is unexplained by th Model. And so many reasons. The physics needs so much work to do 🙂 and i say in my original comment every unified theory needs experimental prove, as in any other science, so, there is still many research to do

                                        I promess get the proper references!!! 🙂

                                        Talk to me, we'll have fun, skype: thalion66, sc: hurin_thalion20, kik:thalion66

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                                          SemenDemon
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                                          I don't believe in "god" in any traditional religious sense. I consider myself to effectively be an atheist. It has nothing to do with my orientation, though. And I have nothing against theistic people. If anything, I'm envious of them.

                                          The way I see it, a divine creator who watches over us on earth and decides our fate in the afterlife just doesn't seem plausible. First of all, I don't believe there is life after death. I don't believe we have immortal "souls". I wish I did, because it's a very reassuring thought, but I can't force myself to believe it if I don't have any faith in the idea to begin with. Secondly, even if there is some universal/cosmic consciousness, or a sentient creative being (be it the universe itself, or something outside of it), I have a hard to believing it has any interest in (or perhaps even knowledge of) our puny lives on this puny planet in our pathetically minuscule galaxy within the universe. So, for all intents and purposes, there is no god.

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                                            syuvan12
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                                            @Thalion:

                                            Well, as a physcist i must say that there is not need for a "god", the actual theories, must to be proven, i need to say, allows the begining of the universe from nothing because of the concept of quantum vaccum. The quantum theories says that there are particles always stepping in and out of reality, since their life time is too small to be measured. This quantum fluctuation produced the big bang and all we know. Of course it is not my intention to offend the believes of any one, just saying about the actual theoriesof the physcists. But the beauty of physics is that it wants to explain everything through mathemathics, and with evidence, obviously

                                            I'm not sure about a theologist or a phylosopher would say about your belive of schrodinger's god, but, some where i read that the proof of god is way beyond the hands of science. As a  physcist your analogy is kind of cute, and weird.

                                            Cute and weird, kinda encompasses my entire personality lol

                                            And please don't think I'm offended you because I'm always open to discussion, and I wasn't really very good at physics in school so I didn't really expect any of my theories to be scientifically correct; I just came up with them with the extremely limited knowledge of physics I have.

                                            But then again, as I mentioned, I have neither the patience nor the interest to go that deep into something like the existence of God lol

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