Are the majority of people voting Hillary?

MancCub

Are the majority of people voting Hillary?

No they didn't, neither candidate got a majority of votes.

However Hillary sure did get more than Trump. ;D

It's of small consolation that he has no mandate from the people, only the electoral college.

myrea

Gotcha, it's only bad if white people do it.

We know that BLM aren't above sending fake death threats to themselves. BLM have been writing hate filled crap on bathroom walls as well. It's BLM who are screaming for segregation, not whites.

Black on black crime is the cause for 90% of black murder victims. When looking at interracial crime, whites are more likely to be victims of black crime, than the other way around.

Blacks, despite only being 13% of the US population, are responsible for 40% of cop killings and over 50% of all violent crimes.

1- I did not focus on Black… neither did i said that whites are not victims... you created that.
2- Why are you ignoring the blatant way cops treat black people? If there was a severe bias towards whites you'd be seeing the exact mirror in the statistics... sorry that is how racism impact a community darling, if you don't give them jobs and set them back in education, guess what crime is a way to get food on the table.

I'm focusing on events of a few days... how cute, no this is always been happening in the states, it's just that people now think they have the support of the government to act up.

amicusets

@alma:

I know right … shouldn't the person with most Vote WIN BY default ? isn't that the REAL Democracy ?
Since it's about the people and all ((So they claim))

We are not and have never been a democracy. We are a democratic republic.

raphjd

@myrea:

@raphjd:

Gotcha, it's only bad if white people do it.

We know that BLM aren't above sending fake death threats to themselves. BLM have been writing hate filled crap on bathroom walls as well. It's BLM who are screaming for segregation, not whites.

Black on black crime is the cause for 90% of black murder victims. When looking at interracial crime, whites are more likely to be victims of black crime, than the other way around.

Blacks, despite only being 13% of the US population, are responsible for 40% of cop killings and over 50% of all violent crimes.

1- I did not focus on Black… neither did i said that whites are not victims... you created that.
2- Why are you ignoring the blatant way cops treat black people? If there was a severe bias towards whites you'd be seeing the exact mirror in the statistics... sorry that is how racism impact a community darling, if you don't give them jobs and set them back in education, guess what crime is a way to get food on the table.

I'm focusing on events of a few days... how cute, no this is always been happening in the states, it's just that people now think they have the support of the government to act up.

1. You do insist on ignoring the very real fact that whites have been targeted by BLM and pro-illegals.

2. When viewing the crime stats compared to who the police shoot, blacks have it quite easy. Blacks commit over 50% of the violent crimes, but they only make up about 25% of police shootings.

AH, so it's white people's fault that black commit so many crimes.

3. Again, you are willfully ignoring black on white crime.

Also, several of the so called "trump supporters attacked me" stories have turned out to be lies.

MrMazda

I cant support trump for a wide number of reasons, but by the same token, I cannot support Hillary either. It's sad really when the Americans have to choose between two different kinds of monsters. Trump has been clear that he has no problem with revoking gay rights and repealing Obama's LGBT rights protections, among a number of other things. On several occasions, he has made comments that suggest that he should not be president, including (but not limited to) calling Canadians "Snow Mexicans", and making reference to making women listen and obey with such things as "grab her by the pussy". These are obviously NOT characteristics that any president should value.

By the same token, I do not support Hillary Clinton either. Most of my reasons are outlined in this YouTube Video. There are much worse things that Clinton stands for that I simply cannot support, which are a large part of why she is deemed to be a "monster". For example, did you know that Hillary's proposed plan for dealing with over-population is to pass a law that would allow a mother to choose not to keep her baby, which would allow her to give birth to the baby, only to have a doctor cram a needle in it's head to kill it immediately after birth. This is not at all a solution, as quite frankly, in my opinion, this is MURDER, but yet under a Clinton presidency, this would become a sad reality. Not to mention, everyone that has EVER been set to testify against Hillary Clinton has mysteriously turned up dead under mysterious circumstances. To me, this suggests (although it does not prove) that Hillary is not above murder, and will stop at nothing to get her way.

On this note, mark my words when I say that Hillary WILL at some point (I believe within the first 90 days of Trump as president) arrange to have Donald Trump assassinated. Neither me nor any of my psychic friends foresee Hillary as being the one to actually "pull the trigger" so to speak, however mark my words when I say that Hillary WILL eventually have Trump assassinated to try to muscle her way into the office again.

myrea

1. You do insist on ignoring the very real fact that whites have been targeted by BLM and pro-illegals.

er… I recall saying that both sides where in the wrong, you obviously are only interested in venting your opinion and disregarding the whys and the causes of those events happening. Rant your hate away, be my guest... that won't help anyone however.

raphjd

@myrea:

1. You do insist on ignoring the very real fact that whites have been targeted by BLM and pro-illegals.

er… I recall saying that both sides where in the wrong, you obviously are only interested in venting your opinion and disregarding the whys and the causes of those events happening. Rant your hate away, be my guest... that won't help anyone however.

YES, you said that both sides were wrong, then you went on to defend BLM and pro-illegals attacking whites.

I know the "whys";

BLM is completely based on lies. BLM only cares about black criminals being killed.

Pro-illegals feel entitled to break US laws.

Ultra liberals pander to them and protect them.

myrea

Lol, When did I said that attacks on whites were justified? Or defended them? I said There were reasons and fueled hate… Stop trying to portray what i say to fit your rhetoric... You're biased AF in a reality you don't ever care to know in depth.

amicusets

@Lagantiere:

Hillary Clinton got 200000 votes more than Trump. This already happened in 2000, when George W Bush (Of sinister memory!) was elected with more than 500000 votes less than Al Gore.
This is due to the voting system by states and the rule "winner takes it all".
The supposed greatest democraty, who rules the world, allows a minority of hillbillies and degenerates to give the key of their country to unsane and dangerous blokes.

Well, you obviously don't understand that we are a democratic republic, and how our electoral system works. Paying any attention to popular vote is ridiculous, because it isn't a true barometer. Many Trump voters in "blue states" don't bother voting just as many HRC voters in "red states" don't vote. Couple that with those voters that would vote with the majority in their state that don't vote and you have exactly no idea what an actual popular vote would be.

The other things that never ceases to amaze me about those who lean to the left and how they preach tolerance– except apparently that tolerance is only afforded to people if they think as you do, speak as you do, and do what you tell them to do. How can you expect tolerance if you call people "hillbillies and degenerates" just because they vote differently than you. It is sickening.

alibix

@amicusets:

@Lagantiere:

Hillary Clinton got 200000 votes more than Trump. This already happened in 2000, when George W Bush (Of sinister memory!) was elected with more than 500000 votes less than Al Gore.
This is due to the voting system by states and the rule "winner takes it all".
The supposed greatest democraty, who rules the world, allows a minority of hillbillies and degenerates to give the key of their country to unsane and dangerous blokes.

Well, you obviously don't understand that we are a democratic republic, and how our electoral system works. Paying any attention to popular vote is ridiculous, because it isn't a true barometer. Many Trump voters in "blue states" don't bother voting just as many HRC voters in "red states" don't vote. Couple that with those voters that would vote with the majority in their state that don't vote and you have exactly no idea what an actual popular vote would be.

The other things that never ceases to amaze me about those who lean to the left and how they preach tolerance– except apparently that tolerance is only afforded to people if they think as you do, speak as you do, and do what you tell them to do. How can you expect tolerance if you call people "hillbillies and degenerates" just because they vote differently than you. It is sickening.

The electoral college is still flawed. Have a look at this video. It doesn't achieve it's purpose.
Youtube Video

alibix

@raphjd:

@myrea:

1. You do insist on ignoring the very real fact that whites have been targeted by BLM and pro-illegals.

er… I recall saying that both sides where in the wrong, you obviously are only interested in venting your opinion and disregarding the whys and the causes of those events happening. Rant your hate away, be my guest... that won't help anyone however.

YES, you said that both sides were wrong, then you went on to defend BLM and pro-illegals attacking whites.

I know the "whys";

BLM is completely based on lies. BLM only cares about black criminals being killed.

Pro-illegals feel entitled to break US laws.

Ultra liberals pander to them and protect them.

BLM isn't based on lies. Police disproportionately kill unarmed black people than unarmed white people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/

Police force and violence is also a huge and very real issue
http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

raphjd

@alibix:

@raphjd:

@myrea:

1. You do insist on ignoring the very real fact that whites have been targeted by BLM and pro-illegals.

er… I recall saying that both sides where in the wrong, you obviously are only interested in venting your opinion and disregarding the whys and the causes of those events happening. Rant your hate away, be my guest... that won't help anyone however.

YES, you said that both sides were wrong, then you went on to defend BLM and pro-illegals attacking whites.

I know the "whys";

BLM is completely based on lies. BLM only cares about black criminals being killed.

Pro-illegals feel entitled to break US laws.

Ultra liberals pander to them and protect them.

BLM isn't based on lies. Police disproportionately kill unarmed black people than unarmed white people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/

Police force and violence is also a huge and very real issue
http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

Blacks make up 13% of the US population.

They make up over 40% of cop killers.

They make up over 50% of all violent crime.

You would think that with such a high "police contact" number, they would be killed at a higher rate. The fact is, blacks are killed at the lowest rate of "police contact" than any other racial group. Whites are killed at the highest rate compared to their rate of police contact.

Black cops are the most likely to shoot, while white cops are the least likely to shoot, with the other races in-between. It's only about 12% difference between the 2 ends, but it's there. So is it really racism when white cops are the least likely to shoot?

You would have a point, ONLY IF, the crime rates were the same among the races and their proportion of the US population. When you multiply the black population by 5 to equalize it to the white population, your claims completely fall apart. Now that the 2 populations are equal in size, we have to adjust the crime stats to match, so we have to multiply black crime rates by 5. Now the robbery rate for blacks is 6 times higher than that of whites. The same thing happens pretty much across the board. Except for alcohol laws (DUI, open carry, etc) blacks commit every category of crime at least twice their rate of US Population.

It needs to be noted that federal crime stats include hispanic and latino in the white category, but in the victim stats they separate them out.

Both of your sources are biased, especially Campaign ZERO. Campaign ZERO want's to decriminalize things that keep the peace between neighbors. All this will do is cause more conflicts between neighbors.

The Washington Post article talks about Michael Brown. Umm, over 100 FBI agents investigating that case and they determined that it was justified. They also proved that the entire "hands up, don't shoot" was a total lie by the black witnesses. CCTV and other bits of evidence proved they lied.

cannonmc

Heavens, haven't you lot got over it yet.

What we need is a good forum administrator to police this so we don't don't have long rambling messages with huge quoted replies

raphjd

@cannonmc:

Heavens, haven't you lot got over it yet.

What we need is a good forum administrator to police this so we don't don't have long rambling messages with huge quoted replies

I take it that that is a shot at me. I guess I can't voice any opinions.

amicusets

@alibix:

The electoral college is still flawed. Have a look at this video. It doesn't achieve it's purpose.
Youtube Video

I have nowhere said the Electoral College was without flaws. I personally believe in a system where each state gets 1 vote to elect the President. He is the head of the Federal Government. A Government that is meant to serve its states, but that is neither here, nor there, and again does not take away that the argument that someone won the popular vote proves "anything" is a fallacy.

amicusets

@cannonmc:

Heavens, haven't you lot got over it yet.

What we need is a good forum administrator to police this so we don't don't have long rambling messages with huge quoted replies

Why do you care if you don't live in America? Why bother making a snide remark ^^^ when it doesn't affect you. That attitude is part of the problem– it is an attempt to stifle free and open discourse because it might be "messy."

alibix

@raphjd:

@alibix:

@raphjd:

@myrea:

1. You do insist on ignoring the very real fact that whites have been targeted by BLM and pro-illegals.

er… I recall saying that both sides where in the wrong, you obviously are only interested in venting your opinion and disregarding the whys and the causes of those events happening. Rant your hate away, be my guest... that won't help anyone however.

YES, you said that both sides were wrong, then you went on to defend BLM and pro-illegals attacking whites.

I know the "whys";

BLM is completely based on lies. BLM only cares about black criminals being killed.

Pro-illegals feel entitled to break US laws.

Ultra liberals pander to them and protect them.

BLM isn't based on lies. Police disproportionately kill unarmed black people than unarmed white people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/

Police force and violence is also a huge and very real issue
http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

Blacks make up 13% of the US population.

They make up over 40% of cop killers.

They make up over 50% of all violent crime.

You would think that with such a high "police contact" number, they would be killed at a higher rate. The fact is, blacks are killed at the lowest rate of "police contact" than any other racial group. Whites are killed at the highest rate compared to their rate of police contact.

Black cops are the most likely to shoot, while white cops are the least likely to shoot, with the other races in-between. It's only about 12% difference between the 2 ends, but it's there. So is it really racism when white cops are the least likely to shoot?

You would have a point, ONLY IF, the crime rates were the same among the races and their proportion of the US population. When you multiply the black population by 5 to equalize it to the white population, your claims completely fall apart. Now that the 2 populations are equal in size, we have to adjust the crime stats to match, so we have to multiply black crime rates by 5. Now the robbery rate for blacks is 6 times higher than that of whites. The same thing happens pretty much across the board. Except for alcohol laws (DUI, open carry, etc) blacks commit every category of crime at least twice their rate of US Population.

It needs to be noted that federal crime stats include hispanic and latino in the white category, but in the victim stats they separate them out.

Both of your sources are biased, especially Campaign ZERO. Campaign ZERO want's to decriminalize things that keep the peace between neighbors. All this will do is cause more conflicts between neighbors.

The Washington Post article talks about Michael Brown. Umm, over 100 FBI agents investigating that case and they determined that it was justified. They also proved that the entire "hands up, don't shoot" was a total lie by the black witnesses. CCTV and other bits of evidence proved they lied.

Did you just ignore the rest of the article and focused on the brief bit where they said michael brown was unarmed? How about you read it and look at all the sources and statistics they cite and get back to me instead of just rpeating what you said earlier.

Here's some more info on the topic since you don't seem to want to hear any mentions of michael brown.
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/12/12152772/rudy-giuliani-black-on-black-crime-police

raphjd

Did you just ignore the rest of the article and focused on the brief bit where they said michael brown was unarmed? How about you read it and look at all the sources and statistics they cite and get back to me instead of just rpeating what you said earlier.

Here's some more info on the topic since you don't seem to want to hear any mentions of michael brown.
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/12/12152772/rudy-giuliani-black-on-black-crime-police

I'm sorry, but I discount any article that claims that Michael Brown a victim of police brutality. That narrative has been proven a total lie. All but 2 of the black "witnesses" were proven to be liars in the case.

OK, our black President and black Attorney General (and previous black AG) disagree with you and that biased article. As the article mentions, they support community policing and have been pumping extra money into it.

I love people that say that we should stop policing black communities because we know within a year you'll be screaming for blood because of massive skyrocketing of crime rates there.

Ultra liberals hate "black on black crime" because it goes against their narrative. They want everyone to think that everything is racist white on black crime. Of course, from federal stats, we know that is a load of BS because the worst interracial crime rates are black on white.

So-called "racist ticketing" is bullshit at best. Every race gets tickets for various things. Tickets for littering and general trash offenses tend to go to the less educated, it's not a racial thing, except to racists. Smoking in banned places is another thing the less educated get the majority of tickets for. Again, it only a race thing to racists.

Loretta Lynch grew up in the racist south and managed to become Attorney General.

It was 20 years ago that we got the first ever whites-only scholarships. Oddly enough, it was at historically black universities in Alabama. Of course, it was after several lawsuits. Nobody was willing to give whites their own scholarships without a fight.

When looking at poor students (qualify for free school lunches), white boys do the worst. This is because girls and racial minorities get subsidies (paid to the schools) to help with their education. Boys of all races and incomes do worse than girls due to the feminizing the education system in the early 1970s. There are no student subsidies for being white or a boy. This issue affects ALL western countries and for the same reasons.

In the UK, the media is required by law to have 35% representation of "visual" minorities, which is 3 times greater than their actual portion of the population. Other European countries have similar rules. One example of this crap is the UK's "Being Human". They had to recast if because 1 white (Russell Tovey), 1 white girl and 1 ethnic guy wasn't diverse enough to meet the rules. They kept the 1 white guy, but recast to 1 black girl and 1 more obviously ethnic guy.

If you want to cry for someone, think about the reality of the situation. White males are the most discriminated group under the law in the west.

unpleased

@raphjd:

When looking at poor students (qualify for free school lunches), white boys do the worst. This is because girls and racial minorities get subsidies (paid to the schools) to help with their education. Boys of all races and incomes do worse than girls due to the feminizing the education system in the early 1970s. There are no student subsidies for being white or a boy. This issue affects ALL western countries and for the same reasons.

In the UK, the media is required by law to have 35% representation of "visual" minorities, which is 3 times greater than their actual portion of the population. Other European countries have similar rules. One example of this crap is the UK's "Being Human". They had to recast if because 1 white (Russell Tovey), 1 white girl and 1 ethnic guy wasn't diverse enough to meet the rules. They kept the 1 white guy, but recast to 1 black girl and 1 more obviously ethnic guy.

If you want to cry for someone, think about the reality of the situation. White males are the most discriminated group under the law in the west.

Partially of-topic digression

In my country (Italy) scholarships FOR MERIT were ABOLISHED.

You can be a genius, but no matter, you'll pay the tuition according to your isee;
an indicator that depends on income, real estate, securities,
net of certain deductions and normalized according to the number of people in your household.

At least, given the limited number of scholarships, academic results are taken in consideration as the second requirement.
You may wonder what's wrong….

The brackets are so low that most of the grants are allocated to foreign students,
so that even if you are in the need you will never have access to deductions or contributions.
The introduction of the merit requirement involved the creation of an education reform.
The target has not been reached, because there are so many requests and so few disposability, that nothing changed.

For this reason, as an Italian citizen, I end up paying the education of foreign people,
while working hard to study and while I see the industries and micro-economies collapsing for the financial crisis.

I'm unsure if it's right to call this discrimination, but it's certainly a disparity.
As a white guy I feel very cheated and discriminated by my government.
I'm writing this to give a reason why I strongly agree with the assertion I quoted.

This is involving USA too:

The Obama administration (this includes Hillary) created the Middle East instability,
that is absorbing 4% of my country GDP to deal with the migrant's emergency.
This helped the increase of inequalities in my country, instead of helping their reduction.

If you have this election result it's because this injustices are in your country too.

I do not pretend to be an expert in US internal politics,
but talking about crime disparities in US between black/white,
I think there are so many data that are worth a look.

Accordingly to NY police department nonwhites are responsible for

92 % of all violent crimes
98 % of all shootings
91 % of all firearm arrests
88 % of all drug arrests
84 % of all stolen property arrests
88 % of all misdemeanor sexual offenses

No one should think blacks/latinos are more prone to crimes, this is an index of disparities.
Differences that cost us all, whites blacks and latinos.

Charging economic disparities to the rich part of the population is as wrong
as it is to charge Italians for the education of others.

This does not mean that the values of inclusion, tolerance and freedom in the future will fail.
This means I agree political correctness has led to the creation of some aberrations (such as BLM) of righteous principles.

As a plus, as far as I am concerned, a recipe for the letup of disparities doesn't include
charging someone, who is not to blame, for the problems of someone else,
because this partially solves an inequality by creating another;
a more realistic recipe is to give a chance to work hard to the disadvantaged population,
with an economic expansion policy, which now US will have.

alibix

@raphjd:

Did you just ignore the rest of the article and focused on the brief bit where they said michael brown was unarmed? How about you read it and look at all the sources and statistics they cite and get back to me instead of just rpeating what you said earlier.

Here's some more info on the topic since you don't seem to want to hear any mentions of michael brown.
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/12/12152772/rudy-giuliani-black-on-black-crime-police

I'm sorry, but I discount any article that claims that Michael Brown a victim of police brutality. That narrative has been proven a total lie. All but 2 of the black "witnesses" were proven to be liars in the case.

OK, our black President and black Attorney General (and previous black AG) disagree with you and that biased article. As the article mentions, they support community policing and have been pumping extra money into it.

I love people that say that we should stop policing black communities because we know within a year you'll be screaming for blood because of massive skyrocketing of crime rates there.

Ultra liberals hate "black on black crime" because it goes against their narrative. They want everyone to think that everything is racist white on black crime. Of course, from federal stats, we know that is a load of BS because the worst interracial crime rates are black on white.

So-called "racist ticketing" is bullshit at best. Every race gets tickets for various things. Tickets for littering and general trash offenses tend to go to the less educated, it's not a racial thing, except to racists. Smoking in banned places is another thing the less educated get the majority of tickets for. Again, it only a race thing to racists.

Loretta Lynch grew up in the racist south and managed to become Attorney General.

It was 20 years ago that we got the first ever whites-only scholarships. Oddly enough, it was at historically black universities in Alabama. Of course, it was after several lawsuits. Nobody was willing to give whites their own scholarships without a fight.

When looking at poor students (qualify for free school lunches), white boys do the worst. This is because girls and racial minorities get subsidies (paid to the schools) to help with their education. Boys of all races and incomes do worse than girls due to the feminizing the education system in the early 1970s. There are no student subsidies for being white or a boy. This issue affects ALL western countries and for the same reasons.

In the UK, the media is required by law to have 35% representation of "visual" minorities, which is 3 times greater than their actual portion of the population. Other European countries have similar rules. One example of this crap is the UK's "Being Human". They had to recast if because 1 white (Russell Tovey), 1 white girl and 1 ethnic guy wasn't diverse enough to meet the rules. They kept the 1 white guy, but recast to 1 black girl and 1 more obviously ethnic guy.

If you want to cry for someone, think about the reality of the situation. White males are the most discriminated group under the law in the west.

Holy shit. If you won't actually read the article then I can't help you. This is the quote that mentions Brown:
"Police have shot and killed a young black man (ages 18 to 29) — such as Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo. —175 times since January 2015; 24 of them were unarmed. "
Where are you getting all the other stuff?