Outlawing all religions (the sooner the better)

raphjd

I hope you realise that judaism and christianity preach/promote hate against us as well. I'd go as far to say that I don't know of any religion that doesn't hate us.

I don't see beth dins (jewish courts) being any better/different than sharia courts, when in modern country. Both are extremely sexist, though they both strongly disagree with that. They are both very limited in what they can and can't do.

The UK has had beth dins since King James, of bible fame. Under the guise of equality a few years ago, the UK had a choice, get rid of beth dins or allow sharia courts as well. Since the beth dins have been here so long, they decided that they had no choice but to allow both.

groovedware

Ya I am not picking on any one religion more than another, they are all equally inane. I do have a larger hate on for this incarnation of the Dalai Lama and will sucker punch him given the chance (I used to claim no bitch moves but I have reconsidered that, shhh don't tell him). What really rubs me the wrong way about each and every religion is this 'belief' in being right but saying that I realize that isn't it alone. It's the inability to admit it is a belief system that really shouldn't hold any sway beyond that. As I said I am not focusing on just one religion but in attempt to illustrate what irks me I point my finger at Islam: this whole extremists are not Muslim and do represent the will of Allah. Oh okay BUT the Islamic State of Iraq & Syria (look at that it's in the name), Boko Haram, Al-Qaeda, et al, they believe they are the true practitioners. It all boils down to belief and it is my belief that we have put up with this bullshit long enough. All of the religions break down like this as well, maybe they aren't all treating the life of others so flippantly but than perhaps the injustices of other religions isn't as TV friendly as Muslim terrrorists at the moment. Catholics have killed enough homosexuals by suicide brought about by a groomed self-hatred that I can't really hate one religion more than another.

On a side note I know how fashionable that Buddhist crap can be, especially amongst misguided homos but everytime I bring up Buddhist eschatology with one who identifies as Buddhist to me I feel like I am talking to another Christian dismissing the Old Testament.

i do go on…

MrMazda

If I were to categorize religions into one little box, you could argue that any church (even the Catholic church) is a cult by definition. As such, in my opinion, it ought to be held in the same regard as satanic cults that do very strange and bizarre things, usually involving the slaughter of an animal or virgin sacrifice and lots of fire.

The bottom line to me is that much like satanic cults, even religions are perverted into something that I'm sure they were not intended to be. Even the Salem Witch Trials have their roots based in the name of religion. It only goes to further enforce that religions are no better than cults. While they may worship a different being (if that's what you want to call them), they both involve the same kind of mentality in the end. For me anyway, I just don't think that's the way to go, but then again… different strokes for different folks.

groovedware

Sure you could argue this cult thing BUT there is no denying they are all man made attempts at explaining the ultimate question of "how many roads must a man walk down before hitting 42nd street?". None of these 'belief systems' has proof and while I am fairly certain in my heart of hearts there is a creator as well as more than this, I highly doubt that deity would allow such disarray if indeed that deity had prescribed a ritual for honoring said deity.

I resent all religions pretty much equally. Although my previous hate for the Dali Ling Ling has been surpassed the muslim sham. For christ's sake (blasphemy intended) the goddamn Kaaba is quite possibly a shiva lingam of the Hindus. It most certainly was revered far earlier than when the ~~prophet~~ profit(eer) who raped little girls (girls not women) became so sacrosanct that people had to die over his image. As a little side note of interest check out the war on Wikipedia over this image, I know a few years ago (and imagine it has only gotten worse) the number of edits, take downs, reups, blah of the page about this was considered one of the great wars of the digital age (or something or other, it was interesting just in just how utterly inane it was/is).

MrMazda

Oh yes… Religion is just an excuse to justify the slaughter of the masses for an allegedly "greater cause". Every religion (even the Catholic religion) has at least one instance of such a thing in their history.

groovedware

I have now seen 2 of the Islamic State's treatment of gays and have become a little more radical myself(to be fair the fire in the cage also got me incensed). More than just outlawing religion and taxing the church until we abolish the bs I am also fond of suggesting what the world needs now is a big old glass parking lot in the Levant.

Matie

@raphjd:

@Matie:

Yes, this did really well in Maoist China, Stalinist Russia, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, and North Korea (as well as Romania, GDR, Cuba, Vietnam, Albania…..)

Umm, you can't blame that on non religion.

However, all over the world nasty/evil things were have been done in the name of various religions.

That is so much apologist bullshit, I'm afraid.
Stalin killed Christians in support of atheism, atheist dictators killed more people than religion has in its entire history. I'm against evil dogmas being imposed on people, whether religious or non-religious. The fact is, atheism can be abused just as religion has been. I wouldn't want a world shaped and controlled by people like Dawkins or Sam Harris, just as I wouldn't want to return to rule by Popes. And before you return to your (rather conventional) twisty turny 'logic' and absolving of atheists, Sam Harris has written that he favours the idea of killing those with 'bad beliefs' (I am paraphrasing, but that is essentially what he has written).

Darth117

Policing thought is never a good idea. What will work however is simply granting wider access to information and insuring the populace is taught at a young age to be curious. Curious people ask questions and the most dangerous thing to any religion is an inquisitive perosn. The second someone honestly examines their faith is generally the beginning of the end.

raphjd

@Matie:

@raphjd:

@Matie:

Yes, this did really well in Maoist China, Stalinist Russia, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, and North Korea (as well as Romania, GDR, Cuba, Vietnam, Albania…..)

Umm, you can't blame that on non religion.

However, all over the world nasty/evil things were have been done in the name of various religions.

That is so much apologist bullshit, I'm afraid.
Stalin killed Christians in support of atheism, atheist dictators killed more people than religion has in its entire history. I'm against evil dogmas being imposed on people, whether religious or non-religious. The fact is, atheism can be abused just as religion has been. I wouldn't want a world shaped and controlled by people like Dawkins or Sam Harris, just as I wouldn't want to return to rule by Popes. And before you return to your (rather conventional) twisty turny 'logic' and absolving of atheists, Sam Harris has written that he favours the idea of killing those with 'bad beliefs' (I am paraphrasing, but that is essentially what he has written).

It's a lie to say that Stalin killed for the sake of atheism. He killed anyone who opposed the absolute rule of the government.

If the church followed what Jesus says in the bible ( "render unto Caesar" ) they probably would have been left alone.

Matie

Stalin killed believers in order to propagate atheism, but also to foster his own cult of personality. Churches also killed in order to propagate their own power. Its true that Jesus forbade any killing of any sort, so the churches are guilty of rejecting the words of Jesus.

porkyV2

i agree that bronze age mysticism should no longer prevail in our time and in the future of humanity. it had it's purpose both good and bad. what we need now is to move on away from all outdated and debunked beliefs, stop listening to people who claim that god talks and works through them, and throw away the hate taught by religion. let us start making a more progressive world with real progress and a more enlightened society.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL–1Z_g4DE

aestuans

While I cannot condone outright refusing people the right to decide for themselves, I do think that, in its current incarnation, religion is inherently a tool to create arbitrary social divisions. I agree with Darth117 that the best course of action is simply to inform the populace, and let religion die a more natural death.