Outlawing all religions (the sooner the better)
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I take it you just want to do away with organized religion and not a belief system.
"The Church" is very different than religion. It is "The Church" that causes all the problems, not religion. What has happened in American is that we have allowed this "so-called" freedom of religion to become distorted from the view that the founding fathers have laid out. All they want and wrote down was that the government could not make any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion. They did not mean that people could stand on a corner and tell others they were going to hell because they didn't believe in the same ideology as them. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins and is preached against by most gospels.
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Yes, this did really well in Maoist China, Stalinist Russia, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, and North Korea (as well as Romania, GDR, Cuba, Vietnam, Albania…..)
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Yes, this did really well in Maoist China, Stalinist Russia, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, and North Korea (as well as Romania, GDR, Cuba, Vietnam, Albania…..)
Umm, you can't blame that on non religion.
However, all over the world nasty/evil things were have been done in the name of various religions.
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The amount of killings by atheists in the 20th century absolutely dwarfs the killing by all other subsets. And the mindless shills parrot the lines given them. Communism was explicitly atheistic and all the genocidal, democidal atheistic regimes have specifically targeted and endeavoured to exterminate religions and the religious. The atheists have taken evil to the next level. And this thread just emphasizes that.
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What you are describing is a power play to take the power away from the churches and give it to the government/dictator.
It's like how the RCC threatens politicians with excommunication if they vote in certain ways the church doesn't like. We saw a lot of this with gay rights in Canada and other countries.
Also, you have to remember that your religion/god hates you according to your holy text and church leaders. In order to get around that you would have to be self loathing, or guilty of apologetics and cherry picking. Neither option is a good one.
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To be clear I am not an atheist, I am a human. Also I started this thread on January 8th which was prior to yet another affront to 'God' carried out by a religious group claiming the act of burning someone alive was for the honor of 'God'.
I suppose "Maoist China, Stalinist Russia, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, and North Korea (as well as Romania, GDR, Cuba, Vietnam, Albania…) are sited as failed religion free zones. Do I need to make the list of states, countries, zones, etc that religion is/was allowed to flourish in that are failures? Sorry, not only can I not be bothered but I think I might be here for the rest of my natural life compiling the list. If indeed the intent behind this list was an attempt at justifying religion not only is it spurious but it is also made ridiculous by the much longer list that could be compiled of religion's atrocities. We all know size matters & mine is bigger.
Outlawing religion is not exactly what I am calling for, even though "Yes" it is what I said.
Better would be the hope that all religions whither & die off from a lack of interest, outlawing them should not have to be necessary.
No matter what religion one subscribes to there is no denyng that any God that requires worship and doesn't make that method available to each and everyone is a fairly impotent God.
“Imagine there's no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die for. And no religion too."
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I suppose "Maoist China, Stalinist Russia, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, and North Korea (as well as Romania, GDR, Cuba, Vietnam, Albania…) are sited as failed religion free zones. Do I need to make the list of states, countries, zones, etc that religion is/was allowed to flourish in that are failures? Sorry, not only can I not be bothered but I think I might be here for the rest of my natural life compiling the list. If indeed the intent behind this list was an attempt at justifying religion not only is it spurious but it is also made ridiculous by the much longer list that could be compiled of religion's atrocities. We all know size matters & mine is bigger.
Outlawing religion is not exactly what I am calling for, even though "Yes" it is what I said.
Better would be the hope that all religions whither & die off from a lack of interest, outlawing them should not have to be necessary.
Respectfully, you're wrong. The inquisition took centuries and didn't 'achieve' what Pol Pot did in a couple of years. The atheists win on any objective or empirical score. Outlawing religion likely will cause more deaths, and certainly the mass persecution of people. By persecuting the religious, you won't make religion wither and die, but you might cause an almighty backlash.
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I am not clear what I am wrong on but then being wrong is not something I have a lot of experience with.
I am also not calling for the persecution of the religious, as I also clarified I am not exactly saying let's outlaw religion. I am also not denying God.
What I am saying is religion would be ridiculous if it wasn't so bloody evil. I am the first to admit I am not verse in all of the world's religions but I did once have a 'soul seeking' phase and have more than a passing knowledge of most of the fairy tales. In my opinion the best of the lot is Sihkism and the most blatantly inane award would likely go to the latter day saints. Truth be told sometimes I regret not getting out of here on the Hale-Bopp when the opportunity presented itself.
I do believe (oh ye of little faith) that if we stopped indoctrinating children into a faith we would make a gigantic step toward solving a lot of the world's conflicts and problems.
I am sorry, it's a little late or early and I may or may not have indulged in a little full moon madness so I am having some difficulty in expressing in words my belief toward religion.
The long and the short of it is any rational human being should be able to realize and accept the one flaw in most religions, there is no proof and they all require faith, which is fine except so many of don't accept that. Instead so many have fashioned their faith into a way of life and a tool with which to bludgeon the different from them with….
I am fading, will revisit these thoughts and hopefully with a better clarity.
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I do think I understand your pov a lot better, and you expressed yourself articulately and less controversially
Cheers, bro
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I do think I understand your pov a lot better, and you expressed yourself articulately and less controversially
Cheers, bro
Oh poo, are you saying the full moon has an opposite effect on me? :blind:
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I do think I understand your pov a lot better, and you expressed yourself articulately and less controversially
Cheers, bro
Oh poo, are you saying the full moon has an opposite effect on me? :blind:
I don't know, but whatever the effect is it seems pretty agreeable
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Sharia should be outlawed in any civilized country. It is the antithesis of democracy and considers non muslims as being inferior / sinners due to them not adhering to islam. And most important, homosexuality is punishable by death according to this obsolete, medieval law. With due thought, I have reached to the conclusion that islam promotes hate against us, bloodshed and war.
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I hope you realise that judaism and christianity preach/promote hate against us as well. I'd go as far to say that I don't know of any religion that doesn't hate us.
I don't see beth dins (jewish courts) being any better/different than sharia courts, when in modern country. Both are extremely sexist, though they both strongly disagree with that. They are both very limited in what they can and can't do.
The UK has had beth dins since King James, of bible fame. Under the guise of equality a few years ago, the UK had a choice, get rid of beth dins or allow sharia courts as well. Since the beth dins have been here so long, they decided that they had no choice but to allow both.
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Ya I am not picking on any one religion more than another, they are all equally inane. I do have a larger hate on for this incarnation of the Dalai Lama and will sucker punch him given the chance (I used to claim no bitch moves but I have reconsidered that, shhh don't tell him). What really rubs me the wrong way about each and every religion is this 'belief' in being right but saying that I realize that isn't it alone. It's the inability to admit it is a belief system that really shouldn't hold any sway beyond that. As I said I am not focusing on just one religion but in attempt to illustrate what irks me I point my finger at Islam: this whole extremists are not Muslim and do represent the will of Allah. Oh okay BUT the Islamic State of Iraq & Syria (look at that it's in the name), Boko Haram, Al-Qaeda, et al, they believe they are the true practitioners. It all boils down to belief and it is my belief that we have put up with this bullshit long enough. All of the religions break down like this as well, maybe they aren't all treating the life of others so flippantly but than perhaps the injustices of other religions isn't as TV friendly as Muslim terrrorists at the moment. Catholics have killed enough homosexuals by suicide brought about by a groomed self-hatred that I can't really hate one religion more than another.
On a side note I know how fashionable that Buddhist crap can be, especially amongst misguided homos but everytime I bring up Buddhist eschatology with one who identifies as Buddhist to me I feel like I am talking to another Christian dismissing the Old Testament.
i do go on…
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If I were to categorize religions into one little box, you could argue that any church (even the Catholic church) is a cult by definition. As such, in my opinion, it ought to be held in the same regard as satanic cults that do very strange and bizarre things, usually involving the slaughter of an animal or virgin sacrifice and lots of fire.
The bottom line to me is that much like satanic cults, even religions are perverted into something that I'm sure they were not intended to be. Even the Salem Witch Trials have their roots based in the name of religion. It only goes to further enforce that religions are no better than cults. While they may worship a different being (if that's what you want to call them), they both involve the same kind of mentality in the end. For me anyway, I just don't think that's the way to go, but then again… different strokes for different folks.
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Sure you could argue this cult thing BUT there is no denying they are all man made attempts at explaining the ultimate question of "how many roads must a man walk down before hitting 42nd street?". None of these 'belief systems' has proof and while I am fairly certain in my heart of hearts there is a creator as well as more than this, I highly doubt that deity would allow such disarray if indeed that deity had prescribed a ritual for honoring said deity.
I resent all religions pretty much equally. Although my previous hate for the Dali Ling Ling has been surpassed the muslim sham. For christ's sake (blasphemy intended) the goddamn Kaaba is quite possibly a shiva lingam of the Hindus. It most certainly was revered far earlier than when the
prophetprofit(eer) who raped little girls (girls not women) became so sacrosanct that people had to die over his image. As a little side note of interest check out the war on Wikipedia over this image, I know a few years ago (and imagine it has only gotten worse) the number of edits, take downs, reups, blah of the page about this was considered one of the great wars of the digital age (or something or other, it was interesting just in just how utterly inane it was/is).
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Oh yes… Religion is just an excuse to justify the slaughter of the masses for an allegedly "greater cause". Every religion (even the Catholic religion) has at least one instance of such a thing in their history.
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I have now seen 2 of the Islamic State's treatment of gays and have become a little more radical myself(to be fair the fire in the cage also got me incensed). More than just outlawing religion and taxing the church until we abolish the bs I am also fond of suggesting what the world needs now is a big old glass parking lot in the Levant.
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Yes, this did really well in Maoist China, Stalinist Russia, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, and North Korea (as well as Romania, GDR, Cuba, Vietnam, Albania…..)
Umm, you can't blame that on non religion.
However, all over the world nasty/evil things were have been done in the name of various religions.
That is so much apologist bullshit, I'm afraid.
Stalin killed Christians in support of atheism, atheist dictators killed more people than religion has in its entire history. I'm against evil dogmas being imposed on people, whether religious or non-religious. The fact is, atheism can be abused just as religion has been. I wouldn't want a world shaped and controlled by people like Dawkins or Sam Harris, just as I wouldn't want to return to rule by Popes. And before you return to your (rather conventional) twisty turny 'logic' and absolving of atheists, Sam Harris has written that he favours the idea of killing those with 'bad beliefs' (I am paraphrasing, but that is essentially what he has written). -
Policing thought is never a good idea. What will work however is simply granting wider access to information and insuring the populace is taught at a young age to be curious. Curious people ask questions and the most dangerous thing to any religion is an inquisitive perosn. The second someone honestly examines their faith is generally the beginning of the end.
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