Rationator 3.0 Torrent Download Permissions

Blah1234

I think this has come up already, and I won't get too long winded as I'll put my trust in the promise that the staff will evaluate and tweak as concerns come in, however…

I'm being punished because I don't visit and download a bit every day, when I prefer to visit about once a week and get a bunch at once. I recognize that you have cheaters and seed-hogs and other issues you need to crack down on, but there has got to be some kind of better solution to this that does not punish users like me

Popper

The Baseline permissions have been adjusted, following the feedback from long-time good members. They felt to be too much limited by them, which is not the intention of the Rationator 3.0 system.

This concerns members which built an account over time, having more than 50 GB downloaded. The changes in detail:

< 100 GB + 2
< 250 GB + 3
< 375 GB + 4
< 500 GB + 5
< 600 GB + 5
< 700 GB + 4
< 800 GB + 3

Here an illustration:

Baseline 1 are the previous, Baseline are the new values.

The starting curve remains unchanged. This is to slow down new hit and run accounts created during open signup. We had seen new users downloading hundreds of gigabytes during the 3 days grace time just after account creation. Rationator 3.0 makes that more difficult (but not impossible). We are not looking for such "power leecher" members, but for members who care, share and stay.

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junior

Iptorrents ~~also~~ is tracking hit and runs, ~~were not the only ones~~. They show up on your Iptorrents profile which you are only allowed so many (i believe) You can however make those hit and runs disappear by using your seed bonus or your upload credit, either way you have to pay for hit and runs :police:

Joker

hit + run: since seeding doesn't seem to be a problem here i thought to not catch those..

Speedmaster8

Nice decision to "adjust" the new system a bit. Thank you! :hug2:

meliliou

@junior:

Iptorrents ~~also~~ is tracking hit and runs, ~~were not the only ones~~. They show up on your Iptorrents profile which you are only allowed so many (i believe) You can however make those hit and runs disappear by using your seed bonus or your upload credit, either way you have to pay for hit and runs :police:

Where can we view this web page on our profile? I can't find it. I haven't seed a definition of 'hit and run' so I would like to see what the page says so I can act accordingly

Joker

@meliliou:

@junior:

Iptorrents ~~also~~ is tracking hit and runs, ~~were not the only ones~~. They show up on your Iptorrents profile which you are only allowed so many (i believe) You can however make those hit and runs disappear by using your seed bonus or your upload credit, either way you have to pay for hit and runs :police:

Where can we view this web page on our profile? I can't find it. I haven't seed a definition of 'hit and run' so I would like to see what the page says so I can act accordingly

gues he is talking about another tracker, not gtru

junior

Yes I was I guess the iptorrents.com didn't show up in my response.

Popper

Without being able to give you the definition of Iptorrents for "Hit and run", in the context of torrents it means to download a torrent's files and to stop the torrent or remove it from the torrent client programme as soon as the download is complete.

That means the burden of uploading, which is the bottleneck for download speeds, is left to other users. If that behaviour is common on a tracker, download speed will suffer quickly after the first hype and many torrents will turn dead already a rather short time after their initial upload.

Joker

if your limits arent enough because you came back frequently, you can add those torrents you cannot download to your wishlist.. so you can easy find them the next day to download them.. just takes you a minute

sexi79

I appreciate the discussion, and the changes implemented by GTRU. You guys are awesome. Thanks for listening. My dick is no longer aching… at least, not for another couple hours.

One more question, though... and certainly not the beat a dead horse, but... I definitely understand the need to prevent cheaters. It makes all of us suffer, least of all you guys as the people who run GTRU. But, I wonder... For people who have been a member for a particular period of time, and have uploaded (or downloaded) a particular number of GBs, and have a ratio above a certain number (say 1), why not remove their limits altogether, since it's clear that they're not cheating. And if they fall below the 1 ratio, fine. Limits go back into effect until they're above again. Seems to me like you'll be rewarding the good guys and punishing the bad guys all at the same time... and it wouldn't discourage anyone from being a good guy since they're going to be limited regardless one way or another under the current setup.

Just a thought.

thangcuoi

For people who have been a member for a particular period of time, and have uploaded (or downloaded) a particular number of GBs, and have a ratio above a certain number (say 1), why not remove their limits altogether, since it's clear that they're not cheating.

Completely agree. Sometimes the simplest solution is the best solution.

Popper

For people who have been a member for a particular period of time, and have uploaded (or downloaded) a particular number of GBs, and have a ratio above a certain number (say 1), why not remove their limits altogether, since it's clear that they're not cheating.C

Because new user can easily reach sky high ratios, it doesn't require much upload with low downloads …

The permissions increase steeply above 50 GB of download. Then someone who got a share ratio of 1 can download at least 14 .torrent files per day. Personally I can't see how even collectors get limited (their HDD space will limit them more), except those who pass only very occasionally.

tkhuma

Hi,

I just got hit by the DL limit for the first time today, and I must say it's not very convenient

Like many people here, I would usually come to check the torrents once a week and leave the program to seed/download the rest of the time.

Having this limit is really impractical and I will probably tend to forget about the files I could not download.

May I suggest, as it seems that this rule will not be overturned anytime soon, that you at least let us download the .torrent file but disable the download of the actual file for the next 24 hours ?

Thanks in advance

Riddler

I have recommended users click "Wish List" on the browse page for torrents they wish to download in the future.

Using the "Wish List" and a small change of behavior to visit GT.ru a little more frequently than in the past accomplishes what you seek.

Thanks for making the extra effort. :hug2:

tkhuma

I have carefully checked a torrent download page and there is no "add to wish list" button anywhere at the moment.

There is "Show torrents on wish list" on the welcome page, that's it.

I'm not aware of the technicalities but isn't it possible to block the torrent files from starting the download in the torrent client instead of blocking the download of the .torrent file? It's only a matter of ergonomy, it doesn't change the essence of this "rule"

Popper

Look on the "Search" or "Browse" page in the results, column "S/L". There is an item "Wish List". If you click that, it turns yellow and the torrent is added to your wish list. If you click again, it turns white and has been removed.

The the quick link "Show torrents on wish list" you've seen allows to show ALL torrents on your wish list by one click.

You can filter results in the search category box below it. To see only torrents on the wish list there mark the "On wishlist only" box in where to search and any other filter configuration you like.

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tkhuma

Thanks Popper and Riddler, I see it now! :clap2:

2 suggestions :

Is there a way to make it appear on the torrent page too? I usually don't know if I wish to download a torrent before I click on the pictures or read the description.
It's also the page on which we get faced with the download limit message, after leaving the torrent list browsing sometimes, so it would be much more convenient
Can you display the amount of time left before download rights are resumed ?
It only says " you can download X amount of files each 24 hours", but I don't know if that 24 hour window started 10 minutes ago or 23 hours ago.
Something like " You need to wait X hours" before you can download again would be really helpful.

:mb2:

Joker

this is on our todolist….

Gaylon

My question is when does the 24 hour clock start? Lets say you download most of your torrents at 10am, but don't actually hit the magic limit until 10pm. Will the clock not start till 10pm, or do the ones started have their own timer? ???