Centralized Freeleech Discussions
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@Uwe:
We need users testing it and feedback if it works correctly or if there are issues.
Ooook thanks Staff for this unbeatable opportunity ^-^ :cheers: Now then some anedoctal molish feedback for the Überbear Uwe. Tested freeleech on 50 torrents and everything went good with the exception of a single torrent named BlackDraft which, despite more than 30 seeders, put more than 3 hours to start for some reason. With 1/50 of failure we are speaking of a 2% which is not much but could prove annoying for a seeder who had bought a limited freeleech time for a file to see it impact against such a problem. Generally speaking the system seems very good for the low bandwidth user who, even engaging quickly in a new seed, might have difficulties in keeping a good ratio anyway against the fast dloaders/uploaders. It didn't prove in my case very useful instead when applied to the revitalization of old torrents. I had to give up on two of them. It seems to me that when the seeders number falls under 12-13 the tracker has difficulties to allocate the already meager resources leaving you eventually often for hours and hours with one or a couple of peers and file trasfer speeds of no more than a handful of kbs.
Pratical example: the torrent named Triumvirate soccer play2 (or something like that): generous freeleech time, constant visibility of 10 seeders in the site, never seen more than 1 or 2 in the tracker though, hence hours of 1-2 kbs/sec tranfers –-> given up despite the freeleech.
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[off-topic]Can you give a link to the torrent description page of that "Triumvirate soccer play2" , couldn't find such a torrent …
What do you call the tracker? Our site displays what our tracker sees as peers and that should be what you see in Transmission as available peers (not connected peers).[/off-topic]
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[off-topic]Et voilà Uwe
https://www.gaytor.rent/details.php?id=2493
the torrent was this one.
Concerning the number of available peers instead, the one I see connected in Transmission is constantly lower if compared to the one displayed in the site. I had never seen that as a problem to report as long as it has been generally possible to download/upload the torrent file within my connection bandwidth possibilities. :)[/off-topic]
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[off-topic]Here it is Uwe. I've dloaded this little torrent just to take the screenshot and let you understand better. :hug2:
As you can see, indicated by the red arrows I've added later, the number of peers acnowledged by the client is constantly lower than that showed by the site. In this case the client sees roughly half of them but it is not always the case: they are always less but the % may vary. In this case though the bug, provided it is one, is uninfluent cause with 423 Kb/s we are at a very good rate of exploitation of my modest bandwidth and on a practical note it would be mebbe useless to see all the 51 peers if these ones are already enough. Different the case when you have 10 peers on the site, 5-6 seen by the client and only 1-2 connecterd with througputs of a couple of Kb/s facing files of 1 Gb or more ^-^
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I've tried both torrents and see in my µTorrent the same number of peers than on the site. On both the download was immediate with an excellent download rate, though my µTorrent is set to be not connectible.
Therefore a short Freeleech duration would have well been sufficient.
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Idea regarding freeleech:
First of all, great idea to start that scheme. Thanks! Second, I would like to propose an idea or possibility for reflection.
When freeleech was announced, it gave access to a lot of old torrents which I would normally not download, because since they are old the likelihood that I would be able to seed on them would be low. In other words, old torrents are likely to be only download therefore complete cost on ratio regardless of sharing.
I was therefore thinking the freeleech for such torrents was great, since it would benefit the seeders and leechers alike in comparison to more recent torrents. In general if one does not want to harm his ratio, one needs to check the site very often to get the latest torrent and have a chance at uploading a decent amount before people move on.
Anyway, I favorited a lot of those torrents pages in my browser because I was busy packing to go back home from home (usual xmas stuff). By the time I was back most of the freelech had expired. I was well sad of that :blownose:
SO to the point.
The idea I would like to propose is to relaunch scheme for older torrents one in a while, since they are mostly for all intents and purposes "dead". That is first proposal. Second proposal would be to make freeleech not dependent on time with respect to seedpoints used to get the status, but to the amount of data downloaded on said torrent. I am explaining myself: if you "buy" freeleech on an old torrents and it happens that no one look it up for a while, then it might expire before anyone gets to download it (unless i misunderstood how freeleech works). it's seedpoints wasted both for the uploader and the interested leecher alike. Changing to allow for a fixed size (say, 4 or 5 downloads? I don't know), maybe as an option for the uploader, would allow the freeleech to stay on up until someone finds the torrent again. Everyone wins - as far as i can tell.
What do you guys think?
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[off-topic]@Uwe:
I've tried both torrents and see in my µTorrent the same number of peers than on the site. On both the download was immediate with an excellent download rate, though my µTorrent is set to be not connectible.
Possible problems client side then Uwe. Once upon a time I remember one of the now deprecated past µTorrent versions worked well with wine. Unsure now about the behaviour of 3 and over versions :cry2:. Any linux junky mebbe? ^-^[/off-topic]
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if you "buy" freeleech on an old torrents and it happens that no one look it up for a while, then it might expire before anyone gets to download it (unless i misunderstood how freeleech works). it's seedpoints wasted both for the uploader and the interested leecher alike.
Hello, uicuic!
You give me the impression that some things regarding the connection between seedbonus points (SBP) and freeleech torrents are still unclear to you.
If this is the case, I'll attempt to make it a little bit clearer.Any user at any time can spend some SBP to:
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either buy freeleech time for a torrent that isn't freeleech (that means that any torrent can become freeleech by anyone)
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or extend the freeleech time for a torrent that is already freeleech (that means that the expiration time can be extended by anyone)
This way, all torrents can become freeleech, the expiration time can change, and no SBP are wasted.
I hope it's clear to you now how this thing works.I'd like to hear more feedback from you, and if you have any more ideas or questions, keep them coming!
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We will promote some old, still well seed torrents and make them Freeleech. However at the moment it is manual work and therefore irregular.
The pricing is as well under review.
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@ agis: then try qBittorrent, one of our Staff members with Kbuntu is happy with it.
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[off-topic]@Uwe:
then try qBittorrent, one of our Staff members with Kbuntu is happy with it.
Thank you Uwe! AS far as I will get a bit of time I will try it. Another thing could be trying the newer trasmission version as it is possible to find it in the repos of the Nadia Mint (It's a VM I'm setting now to check the best OSs upgrade I foresee next april) :)[/off-topic]
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Thanks Uwe.
Dax, i'm not sure you read my post well.
If the freeleech is limited in time, and nobody notices that a torrent was made freeleech before it expires, then yes the seedpoints have been wasted. Hence my proposal that freeleech be linked to amount seeded rather than just time.
i am of course referring to old torrents whereby only a search would reveal as they would not be on the first page. unless you allow torrents placed on freeleech to re-appear at the top as if the torrent was new, which could be an idea also on top of the one i proposed above.
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[off-topic]Little update:
tried the Transmission version in the Mint Nadia XFCE (Ubuntu 12.10) repos which is not the brand new 2.75 version but a 2.22 instead of my old present 1.93 and the peers shortage seems still there. Various qBittorrent trials will follow
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Well, uicuic, you're right. I wasn't sure if I was given the right impression, that's why I wrote "If this is the case…"
You made it clear that you understand how the freeleech torrents work.As for your proposal, I like the idea of freeleech being amount-dependent rather than time-dependent.
Someone could spend some SBP to buy a certain amount of freeleech GB and MB instead of freeleech hours and minutes.
It sounds good. And you're making a very good point that this would be fairer. No SBP would be spent in vain indeed.
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The idea of our Freeleech is not that much to buy Freeleech for "me" (alone) to download it cheap(er) than using seed bonus points for upload credit, but to make it free for all members to download.
You may sponsor one torrent to be free, so will do others with other torrents you like. Think community dynamics.
The tracker backend does not allow to control Freeleech for individual peers. It is free for all or for nobody. That make it impossible for example to let a torrent started downloading while Freeleech by a member, letting fully free download once the Freeleech time is over. That is a know system limitation.
The current rate to make a torrent freeleech got both a file size and Freeleech duration component. However as it is the product of both, new small torrents needing short durations to complete are very cheap (a few SBP) and big old awfully expensive (above 10000 SBP needed).
I've made a proposal to adjust the above by using a kind of sum of size and duration and to introduce an age based reduction.
Other ideas are an auto promotion once a torrent is made Freeleech and a reduction of the rate for the original torrent uploader.
Not sure what will be implemented, though. however for sure we need the current implementation to learn and improve from it.
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In order to have all discussion on the Freeleech system in one place, this topic has been created into which will be merged other topics.
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I'm glad you merged the freeleech-related topics, Uwe. Your comment about the community dynamics is an excellent point!
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Thanks Dax!
Hey Uwe, your proposal to reduce the rate for older torrents is good, it should help if implemented.
I am not sure however about the limitations you mentioned, how do they apply to my proposal? I was proposing that the "freeleech" property be based on a fixed amount of Mb leeched on the torrent from the time the freeleech property is bought. Is that something that is impossible at the moment? In my proposal once the the amount has been exceeded everyone would revert to leeching while spending ratio points.
I don't know the details and am really asking because i don't know how those things work.
[not too sure how easy it will be to follow several conversations on different topics all at once, for new readers? it won't be a problem for me because i can skim through the bits I know were not in my original discussion.]
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I can see why GT.ru is deciding to introduce a form of freeleech. This is, of course, a feature at other private trackers.
I can see that it is altruistic for people with plenty of bonus points to make a torrent featured for a while.
What I cannot see is why go to various calculations to make a torrent featured. I mean, surely the important thing is the duration of the featuring, not the size of the torrent. I featured a very large torrent (not mine) for 6 hours, and it cost over 1,000 points - I did so, but this is too large an amount to be sustainable. A large torrent needs longer featuring, so really, it needed more featuring for the same points.
Why don't you just offer featuring regardless of size? Then you can have a table showing how long x points will feature a torrent for.
Of course, if this is to take off, then people will feature every torrent, and you will no longer need ratio, and no longer punish people who do not (or even cannot) seed much.
Gt.ru is the same as other trackers - you have plenty of seeders. What you need is more downloaders, one day you will work out that enforced ratio is a hindrance, not a benefit, especially for downloaders.
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I confess this discussion has left me completely bewildered. I genuinely don't see why someone would use bonus points to make a torrent freeleech.
I know I'm missing something but not sure what …
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One site I use (no ratio requirement) makes torrents freeleech but I haven't discovered the criteria.
Another (again no ratio) automatically makes torrents freeleech six month after initial posting and they stay freeleech. Staff make certain torrents freeleech (large files, special interest) and certain other members can make their own torrents freeleech.
On both sites it 'costs' nothing and once freeleech they stay freeleech.
I'm not trying to be contrary, I just don't understand the concept of 'buying' freeleech
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