Happy Pride!
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I guess you intentionally didn't see the first part of my reply to you.
The 2nd part of my reply is to show how liberals misuse science, to suit their agenda.
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@raphjd Yes. "Trans science" especially founded on work of Dr. John Money, vicious quack.
- Reimer family had twin boys
- Bruce given extra-bad circumcision
- in comes Dr. Money - aptly named - yes Money
- Money butchers Bruce age 22 months, no meaningful consent, to be raised as girl Brenda
- Brenda got plenty of estrogen, never made her a real girl tho
- Money proclaims his work huge success, founding modern or post-Nazi & post-Hirschfeld version of "Trans science"
- Money had sessions with both twins until age 13 where he had them strip & do weird sex play, Money screamed & threatened them if not perform
- Both twins suicide by late 30s - long after Money's reports
Meme's point: Libs abuse science.
My point in posting: How dare libs even try to quote science!
@jaroonn you may have gotten point, but hard to guess, you either ARE idiot OR, like to play idiot.
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@raphjd I would say that the second part of your post shows how the hard-right intentionally fails to understand science to suit their agenda.
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@blablarg18 Citing an outlying anecdote of bad medical practice committed by one doctor is as fallacious as saying that because thousands of priests are pedophiles then all are. There are so many problems with your using this as an example of anything but criminal behavior, and in fact would support the concept that gender-identification is not related to biological sex at all. An individual who is cis male is not an example of one that is not. You do that see that, right?
You seriously need to hone your scientific method skills.
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Are you saying that vaccines prevent the catching and spreading of viruses?
You do know that eventually it was confirmed a lie by the left, don't you?
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@raphjd No. If you look at my original reply to you, I stated that they do not. I think they were hoping they would, but it didn't work out that way. There is a lot of evidence, however, that they boosted the body's ability to fight off the virus, and this seems to supported by the dramatic decrease in hospitalizations and deaths after people started getting vaccinated.
And it was never "a lie by the left." Even Fox News had vaccine mandates. It was early days and no one was certain about anything. It takes time for scientists to discover the truth, but everyone was prematurely jumping in and trying to gain political points from the situation. It was one of the biggest shit shows I'd ever witnessed....on both sides.
Don't get me wrong. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. But medicine often works and we all live longer lives because of it.
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Science shows (even long before covid) that vaccines never, ever prevent catching and spreading viruses.
Having a vaxx mandate is not the same as spreading the lie.
Look at all the liberal talking heads who got furious because they believed the lies and ended up with covid.
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@raphjd said in Happy Pride!:
Science shows (even long before covid) that vaccines never, ever prevent catching and spreading viruses.
Polio? Small pox? Mumps? There is a long list.
As for the rest of it, I know you think all liberals are the Devil's spawn whose sole purpose is to bring about Armageddon, so whatever.
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You are confusing herd immunity vaccination programs with what was claimed about the covid vaccine.
The claims about the covid vaxx and the rest of the stuff never added up. I have to get the covid vaxx so I am totally immune to covid and can't spread it, but I have to lock down, and when not locked down I have to wear a mask.
Gov Whitmer, AOC and others used to screech about how evil Florida was for not having mask mandates and whatnot, while frequently going to Florida and not wearing masks.
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@raphjd I am not confused about different types of viruses and different immuno-responses. You are confusing what virologist were saying as opposed to what trolls, pundits and politicians on both sides were. I don't listen to the latter.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/conversations/understanding-vacc-work.html
As I stated before, Americans seem to have decided to politicize everything. There are no rational people in charge, and there is no hope for meaningful progress until there are. I am very pessimistic.
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I'm guessing that you never saw any of the videos of Fauci and the then head of the CDC saying that getting the covid vaxx will prevent you from catching and spreading the virus.
The Mayo Clinic even said that getting the covid vaxx will prevent you from getting or spreading the covid virus. Many others said the same thing.
All of these people/groups later changed their claims. Most of them edited their claims by stealth.
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@raphjd No. I never saw any of those because they don't exist. Listen to what Fauci said, not what Hannity and Tucker said he said.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-mRNA-vaccine-fauci-387418337013
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What does that link have to do with what I said?
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@raphjd Did you read it? It talks about what Fauci actually said as opposed to what others claimed he said.
I really have nothing more to say beyond that.
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The paper referenced is from Nov 2022. That's nearly 3 years for them to change their tune.
It seems as though you are trying to claim that I'm saying that the vaccines do not work. I never said that. I said that the covid vaxx do not prevent catching and spreading the virus, as originally claimed.
Now stop attacking the strawman and argue what I actually said.
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@raphjd said in Happy Pride!:
The paper referenced is from Nov 2022. That's nearly 3 years for them to change their tune.
Changed their tune? I never heard Fauci or any other scientist say that the vaccine would definitely stop the spread of or prevent Covid, or any other kind of corona virus. In fact, they said the opposite because corona viruses are like influenza viruses; they can be mitigated not eliminated. I heard others say it, or claimed it had been said. I heard anti-vaxxers talk about "heard immunity" which also doesn't work and is why we have flu "seasons." I personally argued with people who were saying all kinds of crazy shit. But Fauci...no. If I'm wrong, just show me where he said it.
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Are you claiming that herd-immuniy was only mentioned by anti-vaxxers?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fauci-covid-omicron-variant-herd-immunity-vaccine-infection/
"Population immunity" is the same as herd immunity.
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@raphjd Edited clips from Fox Nooz? You've got be joking.
I meant that anti-vaxxers were saying the vaccine wasn't necessary because herd immunity would kick in. Fauci and others were saying it MIGHT be achievable, but in the meantime, get vaccinated to protect yourself from serious infections. That's all.
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The anti-vaxxers were correct that natural immunity (immunity from covid infection) was just as good, if not better, that the vaxx.
We were told that they were trying to get us to herd immunity levels.
We also have to remember that Fauci and Co constantly flip-flopped on their claims.
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