Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism
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You are wrong.
It's been discussed here many times before. We were originally told that the vaxx would prevent us from getting/spreading covid.
Trudeau has been photoed/videoed without a mask, despite his mandates for his own people. It's not just him, but all world leaders.
It's like the BBC posting doom and gloom about covid and not wearing masks, but oddly there was a video of them in their office building and none of them were wearing masks. The video is here in the Politics section.
OK, so some ass clowns joined in. But did the truckers do any of the violence BLM and Antifa did and still do? Your government gives them money while calling truckers "domestic terrorists".
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We could beat around this all day. All world leaders do have their human inabilities to maintain a consistency throughout this "REAL" pandemic. So for someone who's dead against this or that are naturally ONLY going to see the inconsistencies as a big deal breaker. We've had peaceful demonstrations, but we're being cautious over the discovery of weapons and money from gofundme. The matter is resolved, the truckers were moved on to allow businesses to return to the areas they were blocking, the mask mandate remains in place but vaccine passports are now at the discretion of shop owners and restos alike and full capacities have returned for now. I'll tell you this, any leader from any political side would have handled this in pretty much the same fashion. Leaders from many countries are farting around- then again, of course they would: they're human and they're also not capable of understanding virology. Most of us aren't either.
When you're inside the thick of a pandemic, there are many things we're going to be told at first. YES it would have been great when told we would design a vaccine that would prevent it, but we couldn't. YES we could have tried to not release this vaccine option and continue to research for a vaccine that would completely eradicate this virus, but that would have meant closing down to longer periods and the world economies weren't brave enough for that. Most of us live outside China and wouldn't appreciate our apartment doors being welded shut to keep us from exiting... When the "vaccine solution came out, it would only do the best they could come up with in the time frame and thus this is what we have. It does some things to mitigate severity and not overwhelm healthcare structures. Only those unvaccinated have had to turn around and admit they almost died because they ended up getting it full strength and survived by the skin of their teeth. You have to stop reading everything at face value. It makes you limited. -
@raphjd said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
It's been discussed here many times before. We were originally told that the vaxx would prevent us from getting/spreading covid.
You continue to be a whore to your Russian masters... forever more!
We've been through this before:
The COVID-19 vaccines do exactly what every other vaccine does, and has done, since 1798 (the first smallpox vaccine - the first ever human vaccine - was invented in 1798).
Let's be clear... first about what vaccines ARE NOT:
- Vaccines (not COVID-19, not Chicken-Pox, not MMR, not the 1798 Smallpox, not Polio, not even the Anthrax vaccine!) do not prevent pathogens (bacteria- or viral-based) from entering the body - that's why researchers and scientists wear "space suits" (protective gear) when researching pathogens - even when they are known & they have been vaccinated!
- Vaccines are not (ever) 100% effective
- Vaccines do not (directly) fight actual diseases or infections!
It's helpful in understanding those statements, if you understand what vaccines are actually developed and designed to do: vaccines are designed to trigger an immune response in those who receive the "treatment". That is: the point of the vaccine is to prepare the host (human body) to more effectively fight (by itself) the targeted pathogen. As a result:
- People with compromised or weak immune systems are not helped (or at least not as much) by vaccines. These are people like the elderly, the very young, and people with certain diseases - like leukemia or HIV (especially if it has progressed to AIDS).
- People who receive a vaccine do not immediately receive a benefit - it takes time for the body to react (and build white-blood-cells as a result).
- Some vaccines can provide a lifetime level of protection - that is, the body "permanently" learns how to "fight" the pathogen. Other vaccines (like the early Polio vaccines, and all "modern" Flu vaccines - and the current COVID-19 vaccines) require a "booster" to "remind" the body of how to fight the pathogen, and to trigger the "correct" immune response quickly enough to prevent illness.
So, why is it Scientists say that vaccines "prevent" the disease? Well, in most cases the pathogens multiply inside the unvaccinated human host, who then spreads the pathogen to others. The longer the infection lasts, the more infectious the original host becomes.
Things work differently in a vaccinated host: when the vaccinated host detects the presence of the pathogen, the vaccine-boosted immune response keeps the levels of pathogen growing in the body much lower. For some pathogens, this means that the level of infection never rises to the point where the host is contagious, in others (with particularly virulent pathogens), it reduces the period of time that they are contagious.
Most pathogens do not make the host sick immediately upon infection... it takes time for the pathogen to "build up" before the effects are noticeable by the infected host. Again, the "pathways" for vaccinated and unvaccinated hosts differ:
- in unvaccinated hosts, the pathogen multiplies quickly and the host is often contagious long before symptoms of illness are felt. Once ill, the infected host often has an inadequate immune response that often contributes to the spread of the pathogen to others: coughing, sneezing, vomiting, diarrhea, etc. The "natural" immune response may - or may not - be effective against the pathogen. Even if it is effective, it takes "some time" for the immune system to successfully eliminate the pathogen, or if it cannot, the host often dies as a result.
- in vaccinated hosts, the pathogen triggers a quick immune response - one that the vaccine has "programmed" to be effective against the pathogen. As a result, the host often "defeats" (clears) the pathogen before it has replicated enough to make the host either contagious or ill. However, some pathogens work very quickly, and it replicates quickly enough that the host DOES become contagious and/or ill - but the immune response (if the vaccine is a good one) still allows the body to effectively eliminate the pathogen with minimal illness and a greatly reduced level and/or length of contagion.
THIS IS HOW THE COVID-19 VACCINES SAVE LIVES
Not through some magic that creates a barrier that prevent the virus from entering the body. Not by directly attacking the COVID-19 virus itself (that would be a TREATMENT - like an antibiotic for some bacterial infections - not a vaccine!).
No, just like all the other vaccines we already have in our lives... by strengthening our own bodies' immune systems! Like we have been doing for over 200 years, now!
No vaccine (and, indeed, no treatment) is 100% effective. But Trump's new m-RNA based vaccines are EXCEPTIONALLY effective, and require a TINY FRACTION of the research and testing time needed to adjust (tweak) for variants - or even for whole other diseases!
The m-RNA technology that Trump jumpstarted will be a game-changer in immunology research! (No, he didn't invent it - but he gave it the funding and attention needed to move it a decade or more along in its research "path"! And that has saved untold thousands - perhaps even millions - of lives!)
And your whining that it doesn't "prevent all infection" (it never could - not even by design!) or "prevent all contagion" (also never could - also by design) won't change any of that! We won't "unlearn" the science, and 10-years from now, MOST of our vaccines will likely be based-on the m-RNA vaccines developed for COVID-19!
Trudeau has been photoed/videoed without a mask, despite his mandates for his own people. It's not just him, but all world leaders.
Again, you act as-if Liberals were the only hypocrites! OK, maybe they're more hypocritical of mask-wearing rules - but that's just one example! Conservative lawmakers are hypocritical in all sorts of areas too!
That doesn't make their hypocrisy any less important or any more acceptable... but dogs who bite need to be handled too - but aren't worthy of headline-level attention!
OK, so some ass clowns joined in. But did the truckers do any of the violence BLM and Antifa did and still do? Your government gives them money while calling truckers "domestic terrorists".
OK, so the Canadian Gov't doesn't list BLM or Antifa as official Terrorist Groups (domestic or otherwise) - and neither do they list Truckers (See here)
Who they DO list includes the Proud Boys and the Three Percenters - organizations who support the overthrow of the current Gov't, vs protesting for change within the current Gov't. (It's a subtle difference - I doubt @raphjd will get it!)
For the record, the Canadian Gov't never called the truckers "domestic terrorists" - they said they were acting like domestic terrorists! There's a difference! I can say @raphjd acts like a Russian agent without meaning that he is actually a Russian agent! (I can show the former, but I cannot prove the latter!)
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But your beloved Biden, Fauci, and many others said that the vaccine would prevent us from getting and spreading covid. They lied. Even the Mayo Clinic said it would prevent you from getting and spreading covid, but only fairly recently changed their website to the true facts.
If Trudeau is going to be a mask nazi, then he needs to follow his own rules.
Trudeau's government supports BLM and Antifa, despite the rioting, looting, and murdering they have done.
The truckers didn't riot, loot, and murder but the liberal government did call them terrorists, insurrections, etc, etc, et.
The Proud Boys and Three Percenters have done none of the stuff that BLM and Antifa have done.
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@raphjd
You're going to remain fixed in your position. Sadly it seems you run this section and it's all yours. I don't bother with "men" like you in real life. I feel sorry for you. Goodluck. The world is flat and only for people like-minded like yourself. Bye. -
@Postwhore02 said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
@raphjd
You're going to remain fixed in your position. Sadly it seems you run this section and it's all yours. I don't bother with "men" like you in real life. I feel sorry for you. Goodluck. The world is flat and only for people like-minded like yourself. Bye.Translation: You ain't a liberal, so you are a poopy head.
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@raphjd A poopy head. ..... I notice you don't spout this jiberish on the other Gay torrent community Forums, you feel comfy here? Are you all done? Because I can follow you everywhere. And yet, the pig in me says It'd be more fun to sleep with you. :devilwhip: I just wonder if I can corrupt that tight ass of yours.....
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Have you considered that the LGBT community is quite liberal and liberals are far from tolerant of differing views?
The fact that I allow you to post your liberal BS, shows I'm much more tolerant than you.
Are you stalking me? That's creepy.
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@raphjd Allow me? Proof's in the pudding darling. You're the only one here. Hypocrite. Yeah, I can stalk you but it doesn't discount the fact you don't post this anywhere else, just here on "YOUR" site. Prove me wrong and start posting your "tolerant" views elsewhere too
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@Postwhore02 said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
@raphjd Allow me? Proof's in the pudding darling. You're the only one here. Hypocrite. Yeah, I can stalk you but it doesn't discount the fact you don't post this anywhere else, just here on "YOUR" site. Prove me wrong and start posting your "tolerant" views elsewhere too
To be fair to @raphjd:
- He IS the Forum Administrator - this is HIS playground we're all playing in! I don't think he is the site OWNER, but if not, only the site owner "outranks" him here.
- This is the Politics section of the Forum - the only area of the Forum where this kind of "heated" discourse is tolerated (if not encouraged). Hence, his tone in other areas of this site is significantly different - by design, and by his own rules.
- Unless he is retired and/or independently wealthy, @raphjd has his hands full (volunteer hands, I might add) taking care of this Forum... I'd be surprised if this was the only place he posted - but it'd be understandable
Does any of that excuse his hard-headed refusal to ever admit to being wrong? Or even "misinterpreted"? Of course not! But as I do in other areas of this Politics section: let's be fair and avoid unnecessary hyperbole.
We can disagree without insisting the "other guy" is stupid or just-plain-evil! (even if one, or both, are actually true LOL)
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@raphjd said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
But your beloved Biden, Fauci, and many others said that the vaccine would prevent us from getting and spreading covid. They lied. Even the Mayo Clinic said it would prevent you from getting and spreading covid, but only fairly recently changed their website to the true facts.
You are so black/white about this... if I can vaccinate you and make it so that, when you are exposed to COVID-19, your chances of being hospitalized are reduced by 95%, and your chances of dying are reduced by 99% - well, that's not stopping the virus.
As I've repeatedly pointed out - what you claim they said is not what they said! Your "interpretation" belies a complete lack of understanding of simple, "boy scout first aid" levels of understanding.
Let's use a non-COVID example: Say you were exposed to Measles this past week. You had your MMR shots as a child, so you were "protected"... that didn't mean that the measles virus was somehow, magically, blocked from entering your body - but it did mean that when the virus invaded your body (measles is VERY contagious!) your body reacted quickly... you most likely got a low-grade fever and never even felt particularly ill! But don't fool yourself - you WERE infected with the virus!
If Trudeau is going to be a mask nazi, then he needs to follow his own rules.
Of that, we can agree... hypocrisy - especially in the areas of Public Health - is bad... but it's not "invade another country" bad!
Trudeau's government supports BLM and Antifa, despite the rioting, looting, and murdering they have done.
The Canadian Gov't received applications from, and awarded grants to BLM (I don't know about Antifa - I suspect that may be hyperbolic, but let's assume for now that you're correct). Thousands of these grants went to community organizations - some of whom are Liberal, some of whom are Conservative. BLM (unlike Proud Boys or 3-Percenters) do not advocate overthrowing the Gov't, they advocate (albeit sometimes in ways that get out of hand) for change within the Gov't and society as they are!
Do I agree with everything BLM (or Antifa) stands for? hell no! But I don't agree with everything the Catholic Church stands for either, and I don't think they need to be jailed for it!
You act as-if Trudeau personally reached out to BLM to give them money - and that's just not the case. These are community grants, and BLM is a community-based (yes, Liberal) organization, and they qualified for the grant.
Do you purport to live by "the rule of law", or do you (like Trump & Putin) think that your views overshadow the law and take precedence?
The truckers didn't riot, loot, and murder but the liberal government did call them terrorists, insurrections, etc, etc, et.
why must everything be "tit for tat" and "zero-sum" for you? No, the truckers are not mirror images of BLM or Antifa - and they aren't Proud Boys or Islamic State-ists, either!
What they did was shutdown an international trade route - even in defiance of a legal court order to cease and desist. Just like BLM protests in Seattle, their protests went too far.
Protests at abortion clinics is illustrative:
- perfectly fine to stand outside and hold signs and even shout at patients & staff going into the clinic
- NOT OK to actually block the entrance to prevent people from doing what's perfectly legal.
The Proud Boys and Three Percenters have done none of the stuff that BLM and Antifa have done.
No - they attempted to overthrow the Gov't, broke into the US Capitol Building, threatened the Vice-President of the US, and the Congress with bodily harm, and insisted that their candidate be installed as President. (Does the term "attempted coup" ring a bell?) Thus, they made it onto the Terrorist Group list... For what it's worth, that makes them ineligible for the community block grants that BLM received!
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@Postwhore02 said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
@raphjd Allow me? Proof's in the pudding darling. You're the only one here. Hypocrite. Yeah, I can stalk you but it doesn't discount the fact you don't post this anywhere else, just here on "YOUR" site. Prove me wrong and start posting your "tolerant" views elsewhere too
That's the point, liberals like YOU are not tolerant of differing views.
I am far more tolerant than any liberal could ever be.
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You are full of shit. They said that getting the vaccine prevents you from getting and spreading covid. Sure, later they changed their tune.
Trudeau is an authoritarian. You don't have to invade another country for that.
Trudeau has personally praised both BLM and Antifa, as has his Deputy PM.
Why must you downplay everything BLM and Antifa do?
LOL, shutting down traffic versus rioting, looting, and murdering. I see you and Trudeau are of the same mind.
Have you forgotten what your side has done in DC and elsewhere? Maybe you should use DuckDuckGo and have a look.
Of course, you will always make excuses.
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@raphjd said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
@Postwhore02 said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
@raphjd Allow me? Proof's in the pudding darling. You're the only one here. Hypocrite. Yeah, I can stalk you but it doesn't discount the fact you don't post this anywhere else, just here on "YOUR" site. Prove me wrong and start posting your "tolerant" views elsewhere too
That's the point, liberals like YOU are not tolerant of differing views.
I am far more tolerant than any liberal could ever be.
yawn
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Why did you delete your other post? Was it because you were talking about stalking me, again?
You are posting here, so that means I haven't banned you. I believe in the US Supreme Court's version of free speech, for the most part. Something people like are absolutely against.
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@raphjd said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
You are full of shit. They said that getting the vaccine prevents you from getting and spreading covid. Sure, later they changed their tune.
Why must you continue to "micro" analyze "macro" scientific statements? Having 80% of the population taking the vaccine would prevent the spread of the virus - on a macro (population) level, not an individual level.
It's not worth repeating - you insist on misinterpreting the statements to meet your own twisted idea of being "right"... I could no more convince you that they've been truthful in their statements than I could that Mary was a fraud and Jesus was just another kid, albeit one with some very uncommon ideas for his time.
No - both of those are faith-based beliefs, and no science or fact will dissuade you from that... and arguing with you more on that subject is like wrestling a pig in shit - you both get covered in shit, but the pig actually likes it!
Trudeau is an authoritarian. You don't have to invade another country for that.
Trudeau is exercising the powers that were given to him by his own democratically elected Gov't. Indeed, in some cases, the Canadian Courts have held that he's exceeded his authority!
As an Authoritarian, he should have sought to replace the judges, or declared the courts to be illegitimate! (See Putin's behavior in Russia over the past 20 years or so where he's been the President and/or Prime Minister - in spite of term limits or 8-10 years!)
Nope - he took the losses in the Courts and changed to rules/policies that were upheld...
Speed Limits and Seatbelt laws were once derided as "authoritarian" - and to the degree that you use the term, virtually ALL laws are authoritarian!
Viva Anarchy! (at least until the mobs turn against YOU!!!
Trudeau has personally praised both BLM and Antifa, as has his Deputy PM.
No argument that he's praised Liberal causes... he's a Liberal! <I know! I was shocked, too!>
Are you shocked that Donald Trump praised the Proud Boys and 3 Percenters? I am not! - and those organizations are ACTUALLY ON the Terrorist Groups recognized by both Canadian and US Gov'ts!
Why must you downplay everything BLM and Antifa do?
I don't downplay it - I just don't buy into your hyperbolic representation of what those groups stand for!
I don't believe in what they stand for, and I agree that some of their demonstrations have gotten out of hand... but none of the rioting or looting was for the purpose of overthrowing the Gov't! It was just people being "Mad As Hell, and Not Going To Take It Anymore!" Out of hand? Yes... Criminal? Yes... Terrorist? No... Treasonous? No... I can't say no to those last 2 for the Proud Boys or 3 Percenters....
But these aren't the ONLY Liberal groups that go "over the top" sometimes... Greenpeace has crippled ships in the Pacific in the name of "saving the whales"...
And it's not limited to Liberal groups... Some Conservative "activists" go over the line - tho most not AS FAR as the Proud Boys, et. al....
LOL, shutting down traffic versus rioting, looting, and murdering. I see you and Trudeau are of the same mind.
I see - and if I lit a movie house on fire and locked the doors, it'd just be a "prank" for locking the doors? Your "description" of the truck drivers' protests as "just blocking traffic" is equally "under-reporting" the facts...
Have you forgotten what your side has done in DC and elsewhere? Maybe you should use DuckDuckGo and have a look.
"My side" is not BLM, or Antifa, or even Democrats - much less Liberals in general. "My side" are the "Rational Republicans" who believe in principals of smaller Gov't, more freedom, and fiscal restraint. I also believe that "my side" doesn't have all the answers - there are valid points to be made by some Liberals... which is why compromise as a Governmental Art Form is necessary... to work out which parts of "my side's" beliefs about what's best, the "their side's" beliefs about what's best will actually work, and which ones won't... keep the good, dump the bad.
Of course, you will always make excuses.
I present facts, not hyperbolic interpretations of facts... those aren't excuses.
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You still continue to deny what these people/organizations actually said. Why is that?
The last time those powers were used was due to actual terrorism.
You pretend you are Tony Blair and make the "facts" fit your case.
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Does any of that excuse his hard-headed refusal to ever admit to being wrong? Or even "misinterpreted"? Of course not! But as I do in other areas of this Politics section: let's be fair and avoid unnecessary hyperbole.
We can disagree without insisting the "other guy" is stupid or just-plain-evil! (even if one, or both, are actually true LOL)
I agree with your post. However, I would like to direct your quote back at you and even all of us really who are tribal when it comes to politics for the most part. You two, imo, are both ends of a spectrum
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@Kekkaishi said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
Does any of that excuse his hard-headed refusal to ever admit to being wrong? Or even "misinterpreted"? Of course not! But as I do in other areas of this Politics section: let's be fair and avoid unnecessary hyperbole.
We can disagree without insisting the "other guy" is stupid or just-plain-evil! (even if one, or both, are actually true LOL)
I agree with your post. However, I would like to direct your quote back at you and even all of us really who are tribal when it comes to politics for the most part. You two, imo, are both ends of a spectrum
LOL - I'm actually a conservative! I just don't believe in the use of hyperbole and made-up facts to support a position!
In this case, I think it's absurd to compare Trudeau - a Liberal that I disagree with on many fronts - to Putin.
The reason @raphjd and I "argue" so much on here is that he's spouting Q-Anon type, ultra-right-wing propaganda - filled with hyperbole, intentional misinformation, and some outright lies... most of which echo the stories you see in the Russian misinformation sites and sources.
@Raphjd (and apparently, at least to some extent) conflate a refusal to acquiesce to lies and exaggerations with supporting those he attacks. That's just not the case!
While not exactly the same, it's along the same lines as Voltaire's famous quote: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". Except, in this case I disagree with Liberal politicians, such as Trudau, but I won't stand by and let others (from my own party) attack him with lies, exaggerations, and fabriactions... there is plenty to post about (negatively) Trudeau - and he was, indeed, rather heavy-handed in his COVID-19 response... but that doesn't make him comparable to Putin (or Hitler).
Mind you, when Trump was in power and a few of the people on here routinely bashed him with false claims of sex-tapes, hush money, and atheism - I defended him! I was no fan of Trump's but Liberals didn't need to stoop to lies to argue against him! (Trump insisted on being "on the News" in every daily cycle - and sometimes did crazy things to ensure that happened... so there was plenty of REAL fodder available - no need to make stuff up!)
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