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@boltvolts said in illegal file:
@bi4smooth As stated before I agree by and large with your approach. You fail to acknowledge my point. Majority is not an issue for this site, rather for morality itself. The site owners can only maintain and serve the public it seeks to serve by arriving at a level of balance that serves the majority of its users. Nothing to do with legalities. I maintain the majority of users here would not support underage posts. The age of consent in Italy is 14, but only if the other party is within two years of their age. These legalities vary by venue, therefore the legality issue is not what is at issue in this instance.
This is part of the issue with the Internet... your 14 y/o Italian porn (with 2 x 14 y/o stars) might be legal there (?? I don't know, but you seem to imply that it is above ??)...
But that is NOT legal in the US, where the age to appear in porn is 18+ (across the country - not state-by-state).I do not envy the staff who have to decide what is "legal age" and what isn't - ESPECIALLY with the onslaught of non-professional postings: OnlyFans, Twitter, and other large providers of short clips have no record-keeping requirements like professional studios do...
I know of at-least-one 12 y/o girl who was "publishing" sex videos with her 13 y/o boyfriend on a site where both used ludicrously fake IDs to get an account. They were "discovered" by the girl's older brother, who was apparently a collector of porn videos - at 15!
And pardon my hubris, but anyone who says that they can spot an underage performer is demonstrably a fool, and a moron to boot: Look at the earliest videos of Austin Young! He could have passed for a 13 y/o for christ's sake! But he had ID that proved he was 18... and look, sometime, at Asian Twink porn! Some of those guys look downright pre-pubescent, but have proven their identities to be 18+!
So what do you do with content that's posted from Twitter? There is no age requirement (at least not 18+), or record-keeping requirement there!
This is largely the same issue that all-but-took-down the *Tube sites (PornTube, XTube, PornHub, etc.) - some of their submissions were coming DIRECTLY from underage performers (no need for pedophiles to get involved, the kids were posting their own selves - their own content, no adults needed!)
It's a "can of worms" - and one I'm glad I don't have to dig into: as the father of 9 kids, I have nightmares of seeing one of my kids in a porn download! (Not that I would object if one of my adult kids wanted to go into porn - but I would NOT want to watch it!)
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If it makes you more comfortable, you can always check to see if a studio's website has a statement of compliance with US Title 18, Section 2257 (which requires producers of erotic material to keep records proving that all models were eighteen years or older when photographed or filmed). Most websites have this, alongside an email or mailing address of the custodian of records who can be contacted if need be. The links to these can usually be found near the links to other legal information like their privacy policy.
For the record, 19nitten does have such a compliance statement, as does East Boys, so I assume they're legal in the sense that they're not child pornography.
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@adonismix said in illegal file:
If it makes you more comfortable, you can always check to see if a studio's website has a statement of compliance with US Title 18, Section 2257 (which requires producers of erotic material to keep records proving that all models were eighteen years or older when photographed or filmed). Most websites have this, alongside an email or mailing address of the custodian of records who can be contacted if need be. The links to these can usually be found near the links to other legal information like their privacy policy.
For the record, 19nitten does have such a compliance statement, as does East Boys, so I assume they're legal in the sense that they're not child pornography.
Absolutely... and that works for "professional" content... but have you browsed the torrents lately? There is a TON of "amateur" content - it's the new fad!
A girl in a local nearby town had a huge "coming out" party for her new OnlyFans account - a big house party, where at midnight she opened her OnlyFans account - because it was her 18th birthday! (She thinks she'll be one of the "stars" who makes 6-figures from their online content!)
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Oh yeah, it's absolutely not foolproof. It doesn't work if the site is defunct, and once you get into amateur material (OF, Twitter, etc.) it's often completely useless. I just wanted to give OP a bit of reassurance on the two studios mentioned and a way to confirm these things in the future if it worries him, even if it won't work for every torrent.
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All good points. It goes to say that there is no absolute except that there are no absolutes.
That said, when I was Admin on another site, I found content that was unabashedly underage, and any moron could see that. In fact, the content producer was in jail at the time I blocked all content from that studio for child pornography.
And no, Italy does not allow underage (18) pornography. The fact is that the age of consent applies universally to all sexual interaction, therefore not only is the content illegal, but more importantly the consent of the individual. Now... for your can of worms to continue, were an individual to consensually film a sex act between a 14 and 15-year-old in Italy, and post it, there would be a violation of Terms and Conditions of virtually every hosting site, but not necessarily of the law, allowing the content to be removed.
The bottom line is that most of us do not need rules, regulations, law or terms and conditions to discern what is and is not appropriate. Unfortunately, for the other vast minority this is not the case, and we all have to abide by rules for the masses.
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As the discussion above shows, this is a complex topic. I'll add a few of my own thoughts here.
As for underage material, as @bi4smooth points out, you can't simply look at a "model" and determine their age. While a pre-pubescent 10 year old would not be mistaken for an adult, someone who's 15 can look 20, and vice versa. It would be nice to be able to rely on a producer's certification of age-compliance, but this is not infallible. Some get it wrong, and some purposely misrepresent the facts.
Then, there's the issue of amateur material--anybody with a smartphone can make and post a video. There's no way to determine the age of the performers, and thus some sites will not host (or share) material that isn't from a commercial producer. There is amateur material on GR.ru, and it's possible that there are some underage performers. The moderators can't look at everything that's uploaded.
Part of amateur material is voyeur content--filmed in a locker room, shower, or over the divider of a toilet stall without the consent of the subject. These subjects could pursue both the person taking the photos and anyone possessing that material for an invasion of privacy--the usual norm being that photos or videos taken where a person has a "legitimate expectation of privacy" constitute such invasion. This gets further complicated given that there's no way to verify the age of a person being recorded in such circumstances. I have seen some toilet stall videos where I am less than convinced that the subject was 18 or over.
And finally, we need to distinguish age of consent from age of majority: In Canada, and most of the United States, it is legal to engage in sexual activity with someone 16 or 17 years old--but possessing a photo of that person's genitalia would be a crime.
One conclusion from all this is that each of us needs to use caution about what material we download and/or keep on our computer. Ultimately, it doesn't matter that you believe it's "legal" or can make an argument for that being the case, but rather it's what the legal system would think if you come under scrutiny. There have been cases where a person's computer or download records were seized for one reason or another, and when an investigator had reason to believe that there was banned material present, criminal charges were made. These might be later dismissed or acquitted, but only after considerable inconvenience and/or embarrassment. I don't say this to frighten people, but only to recommend that all of us be careful in what we do. Unless one is really into child (i.e., pre-pubescent) material, there's an abundance of clearly legal content available on this site that will be more than satisfying.
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@eobox91103 *Make that GT.ru (this domain) in my missive above. For some reason I can't edit the post.
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@eobox91103 said in illegal file:
As the discussion above shows, this is a complex topic. I'll add a few of my own thoughts here.
As for underage material, as @bi4smooth points out, you can't simply look at a "model" and determine their age. While a pre-pubescent 10 year old would not be mistaken for an adult, someone who's 15 can look 20, and vice versa. It would be nice to be able to rely on a producer's certification of age-compliance, but this is not infallible. Some get it wrong, and some purposely misrepresent the facts.
I did a porn movie (actually 2) when I was 19... it was shot in NYC, and ... Blah blah blah... I was 19 and in need of money for college! 6 months later, I was asked to come BACK to re-shoot the scene... seems my co-star was only 17 and used a fake ID. (I declined, but that's not the point. The point is: fake IDs are nothing new, though they ARE harder to make (believably) today than back in the 1980s!)
Then, there's the issue of amateur material--anybody with a smartphone can make and post a video. There's no way to determine the age of the performers, and thus some sites will not host (or share) material that isn't from a commercial producer. There is amateur material on GR.ru, and it's possible that there are some underage performers. The moderators can't look at everything that's uploaded.
This site, like most media in this category, is wholly dependent on users reporting illegal material. That's why there is a report feature!
Part of amateur material is voyeur content--filmed in a locker room, shower, or over the divider of a toilet stall without the consent of the subject. These subjects could pursue both the person taking the photos and anyone possessing that material for an invasion of privacy--the usual norm being that photos or videos taken where a person has a "legitimate expectation of privacy" constitute such invasion. This gets further complicated given that there's no way to verify the age of a person being recorded in such circumstances. I have seen some toilet stall videos where I am less than convinced that the subject was 18 or over.
Anything non-professional and with non-well-known actors is possibly age inappropriate (I know a 16 y/o with a chest hairy enough to make any 40 y/o envious!)
And finally, we need to distinguish age of consent from age of majority: In Canada, and most of the United States, it is legal to engage in sexual activity with someone 16 or 17 years old--but possessing a photo of that person's genitalia would be a crime.
An example among many potential ones where juggling between the varying ages that boys and girls become men and women - and recognizing that the sexual urges that come with that transformation are biologically programmed to be difficult to suppress - is problematic in our society.
The "18+" rules for porn aren't perfect - there are some 18 y/o actors who are NOT mature enough (mentally, physically, or emotionally) to make the decision to do porn, and there are 15 y/o actors who DO have all the necessary faculties... and there is no reasonable way to balance those, except to draw an artificial line in the sand and say "18 is it - under 18 and you can't make those decisions, over 18 and you can" and accept that there will be examples where that is a bad age - on both sides.
One conclusion from all this is that each of us needs to use caution about what material we download and/or keep on our computer. Ultimately, it doesn't matter that you believe it's "legal" or can make an argument for that being the case, but rather it's what the legal system would think if you come under scrutiny. There have been cases where a person's computer or download records were seized for one reason or another, and when an investigator had reason to believe that there was banned material present, criminal charges were made. These might be later dismissed or acquitted, but only after considerable inconvenience and/or embarrassment. I don't say this to frighten people, but only to recommend that all of us be careful in what we do. Unless one is really into child (i.e., pre-pubescent) material, there's an abundance of clearly legal content available on this site that will be more than satisfying.
Agreed: I personally prefer the "amateur" content of models that have appeared in "studio porn" - examples are Aiden Garcia (my boy-crush) & his current beau, Seth Peterson; as well as the "twinkzz101" boys (Jacob & Harley). Unlike the studio content, they often cum where they want to, and their "enjoyment" is never under scrutiny! (I love it when they "accidentally" cum too early - much of their content is for Chatturbate, where they WANT to move into a "pay" chat space for the cum shots) - but keep right on going after!
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You're right that nothing is absolute. There are, unfortunately, unscrupulous people out there who will flat out lie about the age of the people involved. On other websites, I've seen people upload known underage videos and magazines while claiming the subjects are adults, and if I didn't know what they were, I'd have easily assumed they were telling the truth. (I've also seen people flat-out upload videos and photos of little kids, which is its own problem, but thankfully doesn't seem to be an issue here.) This isn't even touching the issue of fake IDs.
I think the only thing you can really do is report it if you see something that looks wrong and exercise caution as best you can.
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@adonismix said in illegal file:
You're right that nothing is absolute. There are, unfortunately, unscrupulous people out there who will flat out lie about the age of the people involved. On other websites, I've seen people upload known underage videos and magazines while claiming the subjects are adults, and if I didn't know what they were, I'd have easily assumed they were telling the truth. (I've also seen people flat-out upload videos and photos of little kids, which is its own problem, but thankfully doesn't seem to be an issue here.) This isn't even touching the issue of fake IDs.
I think the only thing you can really do is report it if you see something that looks wrong and exercise caution as best you can.
That's the system here: see underage? report it, and it will be removed. People who consistently upload under-age content will be removed, too! LOL
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Oh absolutely, I don't mean to imply otherwise! The mods are very good about that. Most of my posts here are intended to speak in a general sense in regards to gay porn piracy.
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only way be sure is no allow ameater content
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@corbyn4life said in illegal file:
only way be sure is no allow ameater content
I'm sorry - but the only way to be sure you're not watching under-age porn is to not watch porn at all, and if that's your take, then kindly turn-in your membership to this site at the desk...
IMHO, efforts DO NEED to be taken - and they are here - but you don't slaughter the herd to avoid one black sheep!
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