Ideas for a compromise
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I don't think two rating systems is a good idea. The current one is broken. Too many people give bad ratings without even having seen the video or based on personal taste.
On the other hand: maybe it's possible that only people who actually have downloaded a video can rate? That would make a lot of sense. That would minimize the abuse of the rating system.Maybe I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the "staff rating" wouldn't be visible and is only used to award/rate the uploaders download page.
I like the idea of only allowing people who've downloaded the torrent to rate it.
I agree, of course that would make more sense.@Uwe:
At the moment the only technical way we got as moderators to punish and avoid jump-on during initial upload seeding would be to reset the passkey. That will stop the seeding after one hour latest, but as well all other seeding and downloading. I feel that being a little disproportional. There is the possibility to give a system warning if a moderator PM request is ignored (that fits to our set of rules), but such action is rather symbolic.
Some people might not login in time to respond to the PM request but would be happy to comply if they did (e.g. on vacation, at work, illness, etc).
Personally I wouldn't, and will not, punish anyone for seeding.
A torrent site must never, ever, penalize its members for seeding
I agree. Didn't check if I posted in that particular thread. I remember making some posts on this topic somewhere tho. Some slowliners who know how to manage their torrents get by just fine and are even Power Users, it's all about torrent management.
I agree with ballard1 on this topic: the current rating is either not used, or abused; either way it doesn't bring any good. But I like the idea of rating the torrent directly on the details page rather in the approval queue, and Auto Approval torrents should also be rated.
It seems the rating system would be better if we incorporate ballard1's idea (only people who've completed the torrent can rate it). Maybe, to add to it, the rating button would log the user out if they haven't completed the torrent yet, or something like that (lol).
I like the rating system and wish more people would use it. It still does come in handy.Maybe I don't get it :), but it wouldn't make sense to me if the staff rating was visible to users since we don't know anything about the actual video or whatever file. All we know is what's on the download page.
Well, I can't imagine how else would a user acquire that many points, unless he uploads a torrent and waits for 500 Thank You's
Oh, I see now (hehe, posting at bedtime doesn't always work out :)), I think… ONLY 5 star torrents get 50 rep points and all the other rep points are earned 1 point at a time?
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Or how many for an upload?And, a new thought came to my mind: it would be very nice if staff had some SPB "from the office" just for these cases…
Agreed
[off-topic]@cumeaternc:
Why reward some lazy member who can't create his own uploads. That is what I take offence to….VERY EASILY!
If a user is too f**king dense to upload a torrent themselves then you better believe I will side with an uploader EVERY TIME! Seeding is great but when it is at the expense of an uploader who cannot even get complete credit for HIS UPLOAD then I have a real problem with that.
In the "thieves" mind he might just be thinking about helping get the torrent out faster so everyone doesn't get blue balls downloading at 2kB for example. Me, I like those people.
Lazy, maybe some, but there's also people who are trying to help. Of course they can upload if they can reseed. Whenever I uploaded it was only because I wanted to put a torrent here, and I appreciated everyone who jumped on my torrent to help out. Why should everyone suffer a slow download just because someone doesn't know how to manage their ratio and wants all he can get out of his upload, or is a ratio whore and only wants more more more to inflate their ratio? It's about sharing files, not how high you can inflate your ratio. I care more about receiving Thank You's or some nice torrent comments and knowing people enjoyed my upload. Ratio? I'll earn it by seeding some torrents and not being download happy. Everyone who has a slow connection needs to know how to manage their torrents and ratio a little better than fastliners. Uploaders should get some SBP just for uploading. Maybe 50 SBP (?). That'll help ease this. [/off-topic] -
[off-topic]@Uwe:
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At the moment the only technical way we got as moderators to punish and avoid jump-on during initial upload seeding would be to reset the passkey. That will stop the seeding after one hour latest, but as well all other seeding and downloading. I feel that being a little disproportional. There is the possibility to give a system warning if a moderator PM request is ignored (that fits to our set of rules), but such action is rather symbolic.Actually that statement is technically wrong. Seeding will continue to leecher known by the torrent client. Only no upload credit to the statistics on the tracker will be given after a complete tracker cycle passed.
As this concerns only a very particular case of seeding and ratio controlled tracker, and even not always, the best will be that the effected uploader gives a PM to the jumping on member explaining why currently his seeding is doing a harm to him.
I am convinced that the majority will understand (perhaps too late for this occasion, but for future) and didn't had ever a bad intention[/off-topic]
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[off-topic]@cumeaternc:
Why reward some lazy member who can't create his own uploads. That is what I take offence to….VERY EASILY!
If a user is too f**king dense to upload a torrent themselves then you better believe I will side with an uploader EVERY TIME! Seeding is great but when it is at the expense of an uploader who cannot even get complete credit for HIS UPLOAD then I have a real problem with that.
In the "thieves" mind he might just be thinking about helping get the torrent out faster so everyone doesn't get blue balls downloading at 2kB for example. Me, I like those people.
Lazy, maybe some, but there's also people who are trying to help. Of course they can upload if they can reseed. Whenever I uploaded it was only because I wanted to put a torrent here, and I appreciated everyone who jumped on my torrent to help out. Why should everyone suffer a slow download just because someone doesn't know how to manage their ratio and wants all he can get out of his upload, or is a ratio whore and only wants more more more to inflate their ratio? It's about sharing files, not how high you can inflate your ratio. I care more about receiving Thank You's or some nice torrent comments and knowing people enjoyed my upload. Ratio? I'll earn it by seeding some torrents and not being download happy. Everyone who has a slow connection needs to know how to manage their torrents and ratio a little better than fastliners. Uploaders should get some SBP just for uploading. Maybe 50 SBP (?). That'll help ease this. [/off-topic]I have to agree with trukr. I've seen this happen with torrents I've uploaded on here and other trackers, and I've been nothing more than thankful for the help. I don't know…call me crazy, but when I'm downloading, it seems the more seeds the quicker I'll get my 100% and be able to watch it and jump on the seed bandwagon.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the "staff rating" wouldn't be visible and is only used to award/rate the uploaders download page.
I like the idea of only allowing people who've downloaded the torrent to rate it.
I agree, of course that would make more sense.It seems the rating system would be better if we incorporate ballard1's idea (only people who've completed the torrent can rate it). Maybe, to add to it, the rating button would log the user out if they haven't completed the torrent yet, or something like that (lol).
I like the rating system and wish more people would use it. It still does come in handy.Maybe I don't get it :), but it wouldn't make sense to me if the staff rating was visible to users since we don't know anything about the actual video or whatever file. All we know is what's on the download page.
If ballard1's idea can be fulfilled - OK, we keep the current rating system. And making visible staff rating on the torrent's page does make sense, since it shows the rating of the torrent, not of the video inside. A good rated torrent may serve as a live example for potential uploaders on how to make their torrents more attractive. At least that's how I see it
[off-topic]Guys, please, let's not emphasize the "jumping-on" topic here
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If ballard1's idea can be fulfilled - OK, we keep the current rating system. And making visible staff rating on the torrent's page does make sense, since it shows the rating of the torrent, not of the video inside. A good rated torrent may serve as a live example for potential uploaders on how to make their torrents more attractive. At least that's how I see it
[off-topic]Guys, please, let's not emphasize the "jumping-on" topic here
[/off-topic]I like the current rating system. Lets keep it and think of a way to get people to use it more often, whether we make use ballard1's idea or not.
I was thinking that the difference between a good download page and a bad one is pretty darn obvious, and the majority of users here know the difference. My guess is that in most cases a poor torrent page just comes down to laziness, I bet that's the case more often than not. A simple 2 pic guide can work too if people really don't get it and need us to instruct them (lol).
Adding incentive to build more attractive torrent pages is a good idea though and I'm all for it.
What do you think about adding a simple line "Download Page Reputation Points" (or something like that) and of course show the points earned. The words "Reputation Points" can link to the FAQ or forum thread we develop later explaining it all. As with the Seed Bonus points being visible on the torrent search page, "Rep Points" can be visible too. Just a suggestion. This way there wouldn't be 2 sets of stars anywhere in the torrent section. I don't know if that would confuse anyone or not…wait, after working the helpdesk for so long, it doesn't seem so far fetched.
:)...[off-topic]Well…umm...OK.
Since you said "please".I am protected by a rectangular force field.
Even lasers can't stop me! I can do whatever I want in my little play box. 
No one can penetrate my box!2 topics at once can become annoying.
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What do you think about adding a simple line "Download Page Reputation Points" (or something like that) and of course show the points earned. The words "Reputation Points" can link to the FAQ or forum thread we develop later explaining it all. As with the Seed Bonus points being visible on the torrent search page, "Rep Points" can be visible too. Just a suggestion. ...There was a comment made by a member not liking the Well Prepared Torrent Upload Reward Check Lists made as a comment, making me start to think in a similar direction for that trial .
On the other side, I like to make the points given under that trail transparent and therefore thought to a link in the description to a unique topic where the lists are stored (at least for a starting period)
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i dont like this list.
what people want are accurate descriptions and good large photos, the size of the frame- although the size of the file can tell people alot if theyre savvy.
this is just too much work for the moderators and for us to compile. and especially when i went to all the trouble to do this stuff and it wasnt good enough for the moderators anyway.
it may sound like i am whining, but it really is just frustration with the moderators' subjectivity and lack of objectivity that has made the idea of what site members wanted in the first place- not more stuff the moderators want.
i was told the whole reason a bonus for uploads wasnt going to happen was it was too much work for the moderators and i was fine with that because i was told that was the real reason.
apparently the moderators want more work, not less.
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What you wanted needs programming on the site. As said upon, that can be done only by the one Administrator working part of his free time on that. Moderators can not change anything on that part of the system.
The Well Prepared Torrent Upload Reward http://community.gaytor.rent/index.php?topic=15622.0 is classified a trial and feedback on how it is perceived is important to adapt if necessary. In that topic I've mentioned that the "Pictures" points need an adjustment, before this bitter complaint.
The points and the requirements there have been set-up in a way to make it objectively verifiable. If a point is not checked OK, it means it simply objectively does not meet the requirement formulated.
Nobody is forced to follow these requirements, every body is free to do it as he likes, as long as the site Rules (not the Well Prepared Torrent Upload Reward list) are respected. In the same way, there is no obligation Moderators are giving their SBP !
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I think this is starting to become personal…
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I made my reply less personal …
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