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    • M Offline
      Matie
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      Anyone with open eyes can see that medical funding for 'women's problems' is disproportionately favoured, despite men's health outcomes on virtually every metric being worse than women's. Also suicide, untimely death from various causes, violent assault, overwhelmingly are male issues, yet the media never talks about them

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        raphjd Forum Administrator
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        OOOPS.

        I was wrong.  Scotland, despite the government saying they would start giving the HPV vaccine to males still denies males the vaccine.

        Stupid me for believing vaginalists when they say they are gonna do something good for males.

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          halcin
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          @raphjd:

          Here's the good part.   Reliability of prostate cancer screening is about the same as it is for breast and vag cancer, according to the NHS when you do a bit of digging.

          Can you please provide links to your sources? I'm of the age where this is an issue and unless I'm able to point to reliable research there's no way I'd be able to get any GP to listen.

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            I'll have to dig for some sources.

            Anyway, breast cancer screening looks for lumps (like the finger up the butt does), but it can't tell the difference between a fat cyst, scar tissue, and a cancerous tumor.  So they need a biopsy.   Women get breast cancer screening automatically from 47 to 70, but can have it at any time, by requesting the screening.  They can get it once a year, unless they have a specific reason for wanting more or prescribed by a specialist.

            PSA tests only tell if you have evaluated levels of Prostate Specific Antigens in your blood.  It fluctuates, naturally.  If it's always high, then there's most likely a problem.

            FREE PSA tests look for Prostate Specific Antigens in the body fluids (mostly in urine and blood plasma).  Free PSA is not bound to blood proteins, making it easier to detect.

            DRE (finger up the butt) exams are only taught in UK medical schools as a lecture, so your average GP won't know how to properly do this.  Only specialists have "hands-on" experience in a meaningful way.

            Biomarker tests looks for tumor cells in bodily fluids and tissue.   You can look for specific types of cancer or you can just do a general screening.

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            • raphjdR Offline
              raphjd Forum Administrator
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              https://www.bmj.com/content/359/bmj.j5224

              After deduction of clinical lead time cancers, 32% of cancers found in women invited to screening in 2010-12 and 52% of screen detected cancers would be overdiagnosed.

              https://prostatecanceruk.org/prostate-information/prostate-tests/psa-test#advantages-and-disadvantages-of-the-psa-test

              The PSA test can miss prostate cancer. 1 in 7 men (15 per cent) with a normal PSA level may have prostate cancer, and 1 in 50 men (two per cent) with a normal PSA may have a fast-growing prostate cancer.

              So, breast cancer screening has a 52% failure rate, but Prostate cancer screning has a 15% and 2% failure rate.

              Oddly, the official reasons not to have a prostate exam is that you "might worry" about the results, but they don't say that to women about breast cancer screening.

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                raphjd Forum Administrator
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                https://www.gov.uk/guidance/prostate-cancer-risk-management-programme-overview

                In the UK, you have a legal right to the PSA and/or other prostate cancer tests.  HOWEVER, GPs are forbidden from mentioning them unless you have symptoms that cause the GP concern.

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                  halcin
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                  Thanks for the links, time to read up and have a chat - if that's possible.

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                    This is just MRA trolling and nonsense.

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                    • raphjdR Offline
                      raphjd Forum Administrator
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                      @jamiefear:

                      This is just MRA trolling and nonsense.

                      Please prove me wrong on any of the above-mentioned topics.

                      You clearly worship at the altar of vaginalism and all its dogma.

                      I am an egalitarian.  I believe in true gender equality, which is why I despise vaginalism.

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                        I think the reason that people are not recommended to get prostate exams before a certain age is because of how prone people are to false positives. Which means that people get unnecessary, risky surgery that is utterly unnecessary. It's not because of "vaginalism"  :cheesy2: but because people are concerned about their patients' health.

                        https://www.theprostatecentre.com/prostate-information/the-psa-test/problems-with-the-psa/

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                        • raphjdR Offline
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                          Umm, did you read what I posted?  I mentioned the stuff you just said.  I also showed the false results for both prostate and breast screening.

                          By your "logic", we should end breast cancer screening based on the numbers from the links I posted earlier.

                          Breast cancer screening has a 52% false positive rate.  End that shit since it's so unreliable.  Oh wait, we won't because VAGINA.

                          Also, you clearly missed the main bit of the prostate cancer topic in this thread.  The UK does not have a prostate cancer screening program, at all.  It's not about age, but about not doing it for prostate cancer at all.

                          The UK has a breast cancer screening program for women, despite the 52% false positive rate.

                          The UK (at least in Scotland) still doesn't give males the HPV vaccine.  The excuse is that if you protect the vagina, then males will be covered too.  HOWEVER, not all males shag women.  ALSO, not all women get the vaccine.    Despite the fact that males are harder affected by it, who fucking cares, because vagina.

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