"Planned Parenthood"?
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You believe in "net fishing" justice or the "kill them all, god will know his own" crap. Maybe I should start wishing people like you get the justice you demand others suffer.
I don't believe in "net fishing justice". I'm telling you, factually, that there is a continuum of justice and even if you refuse to look at it the two choices I laid before you, they are exactly what every governing body, without exception, has had to choose from. If you are inclined, I suggest you read up on jurisprudence to see how different authors have presented their cases. Fred seems to have looked into it a bit.
Looking at your posts as a whole, you are angry that SJWs have made racism and rape cases require less proof so that more innocent people are harmed while the rest of the justice system requires more proof so that the guilty more often go free.
Tax money is used to fund PP, I pay taxes, therefore I pay to fund PP.
Kim Davis has nothing to do with this. She was an office holder who violated her oath of office. NOT THE SAME THING.Fine. Kim Davis was a poor example. The idea still that you don't personally fund all the operations of the government is still valid. Let me show you why:
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I am a taxpayer. I pay for the police; therefore, I want you, the police, to arrest this man for rape and prosecute him to the full extent of the law because I pay for the judicial system, too.
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I pay my tuition for this campus. I own this gate. I can say who can and can not pass through it. My brothers and sisters agree, so walk around.
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My taxes paid for these roads. How dare you clog them when I need to get to work. Move out of my way immedietely.
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My consumption taxes pay for this hospital so I should have a say about who gets treatment for what. I believe AIDS is a curse from God, so I demand my tax dollars be pulled from this hospital and this research.
These arguments sustain themselves on ego. I know you can do better than this.
Why should your tax dollars pay for abortion? They don't. The pool of monies collected by the government for all our benefits is used to fund PP and other organizations. So what exactly is your argument against PP? Is it only that it's a talking point for the opposing side? There are other places where they can perform such services? Fine. That's valid. As I said before, I have little interest in the topic, so I'm not doing the research to find out if this is true or not. What I have to weigh in my mind are the number of people who insist that they need these services, that some of these clinics are the only access some women have to birth control and abortion, true or not. That latter argument is more convincing to me, so I side with them – for now.
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You clearly do support "fishing net justice" with your crap about executing innocent men prevents repeat offenders.
YES, any time an innocent person is wrongfully imprisoned/executed, it is wrong. The only people needing executing are those that advocate for this shit.
How is GWB refusing to delay that execution by 30 days to wait for the DNA test a bad thing? It's not and people like you have no problem with it. The man was fucking proven innocent 3 weeks after he was executed by the state. I bet you beat your dick when you think about that, based on your posts.
Your argument about tax money is not me paying for something is bullshit, again.
I never claimed that I personally own the 3rd desk to the left at the Houston branch of PP, as you walk in the door. HOWEVER, my taxes went to help pay for it.
If no one paid taxes, then PP wouldn't exist in its current form, if at all.
I'll give you a little hint, tax money comes from people paying taxes, which is money. Taxes aren't cheese or the odd socks that are left over every time you do laundry. It's actually money that people are forced to give to the government.
Your examples are bullshit on their very face because no one made that claim; direct ownership. If you want to continue this line of blatant crap, you will have to show me where I said I personally own the front door or any other physical item at PP.
And AGAIN, why do we have to pay for their stuff?! They don't pay for my rights, but I have to pay for theirs. I noticed you dropped this bit from your previous argument.
Your argument to justify PP is that some kids might have a bad upbringing, so kill a fuck ton of them to prevent it. Besides being insane, don't you realize that a fuck ton of kids have horrendous lives anyway? So let's have a realistic look at your argument. Use abortion to prevent kids from having a horrendous life, but there are billions of kids with horrendous lives. So, your logic says we aren't killing enough of them to prevent this.
If we look at your other argument from the other thread, we need to kill a bunch of them anyway to keep repeat offending down. Who gives a fuck if they ever committed a crime or not, we need to kill.
It's not murder though because the state is doing it.
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You clearly do support "fishing net justice" with your crap about executing innocent men prevents repeat offenders.
YES, any time an innocent person is wrongfully imprisoned/executed, it is wrong. The only people needing executing are those that advocate for this shit.
How is GWB refusing to delay that execution by 30 days to wait for the DNA test a bad thing? It's not and people like you have no problem with it. The man was fucking proven innocent 3 weeks after he was executed by the state. I bet you beat your dick when you think about that, based on your posts.
Your argument about tax money is not me paying for something is bullshit, again.
I never claimed that I personally own the 3rd desk to the left at the Houston branch of PP, as you walk in the door. HOWEVER, my taxes went to help pay for it.
If no one paid taxes, then PP wouldn't exist in its current form, if at all.
I'll give you a little hint, tax money comes from people paying taxes, which is money. Taxes aren't cheese or the odd socks that are left over every time you do laundry. It's actually money that people are forced to give to the government.
Your examples are bullshit on their very face because no one made that claim; direct ownership. If you want to continue this line of blatant crap, you will have to show me where I said I personally own the front door or any other physical item at PP.
And AGAIN, why do we have to pay for their stuff?! They don't pay for my rights, but I have to pay for theirs. I noticed you dropped this bit from your previous argument.
Your argument to justify PP is that some kids might have a bad upbringing, so kill a fuck ton of them to prevent it. Besides being insane, don't you realize that a fuck ton of kids have horrendous lives anyway? So let's have a realistic look at your argument. Use abortion to prevent kids from having a horrendous life, but there are billions of kids with horrendous lives. So, your logic says we aren't killing enough of them to prevent this.
If we look at your other argument from the other thread, we need to kill a bunch of them anyway to keep repeat offending down. Who gives a fuck if they ever committed a crime or not, we need to kill.
It's not murder though because the state is doing it.
Even though I despise Tom Cruise, the movie "Minority Report" does a good job portraing the pitfalls of presumptive justice. That kind of justice would have blacks and mexicans quarantined in concentration camps based upon their race to prevent crime. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_(film)
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You clearly do support "fishing net justice" with your crap about executing innocent men prevents repeat offenders.
…I noticed you dropped this bit from your previous argument.
You continue to drop the main topic about justice and the topic of the death penalty. You can't answer the question and you don't want to admit you're wrong so you evade it again and again and again, or so it is beginning to appear.
One more time, justice sits on a continuum. In Dothraki, they would say, it is known. I chose one and you chose the other. It's a simple as that but you refuse to acknowledge what I'm actually talking about. If you don't have an opinion about what I'm talking about, say so. If you're not interested in jurisprudence, say so. If the topic is over your head, don't deflect as you're doing.
How is GWB refusing to delay that execution by 30 days to wait for the DNA test a bad thing? It's not and people like you have no problem with it. The man was fucking proven innocent 3 weeks after he was executed by the state. I bet you beat your dick when you think about that, based on your posts.
On the topic of the death penalty, I'm not arguing about individual cases. I'm speaking in general, which is to say, I'm speaking from the mean, not the extremes (where your arguments lie [please notice the pun]).
Your argument about tax money is not me paying for something is bullshit, again.
I'll give you a little hint, tax money comes from people paying taxes, which is money. Taxes aren't cheese or the odd socks that are left over every time you do laundry. It's actually money that people are forced to give to the government.
Your examples are bullshit on their very face because no one made that claim; direct ownership. If you want to continue this line of blatant crap, you will have to show me where I said I personally own the front door or any other physical item at PP.
And AGAIN, why do we have to pay for their stuff?! They don't pay for my rights, but I have to pay for theirs.
You don't like to admit when you're wrong, do you? You should work on that.
Notice how your language has changed from singular to plural. What you say here is correct PEOPLE are paying, not you. Whether you like it or not, we speak a common tongue and when you phrase your statements "I pay for…" you are claiming direct ownership. Of course, in common parlance we understand exactly what you mean but the rhetorical device is meant to beat a drum of how you, you, you are affected.
Why does it matter? Because other people paid taxes into our communal system, too. YOU are not sole decider of what is done with OUR taxes.
So what exactly is it that you find offensive about PP? You're sending mixed signals. At one time your using abortion as a proxy for capital punishment at others you're talking about the services already existing. Personally, you sound like you lost your train of thought.
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NOPE, didn't drop it because that is you point. You believe that the state murdering innocent men prevents crime.
You are advocating "fishnet justice" in hopes that killing innocent men, further crimes will be prevented.
I don't think you are going as far as feminism with the 1,000 rapes requires 1,000 men to go to prison, because stupidly they believe that every single rape is done by a different man or they just hate men. Who knows which, but you do seem to be going down that road, at least a bit.
Of course you aren't arguing individual cases, but you are arguing for innocent individuals to be murdered by the state. You're like the farmer who doesn't name his cows because he's gonna kill them at the end of the year.
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So, I'm not paying but everyone is paying. So none of my money is part of "everyone's money". Yeah, ok.
Originally, I was pointing out that we don't need PP because, even the vaginalists admitted before Congress, the same services are provided elsewhere.
After that, I was talking about your reason that we NEED abortions and how that is just as fucked up as your reason for justifying murdering innocent men to prevent crime.
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So, I'm not paying but everyone is paying. So none of my money is part of "everyone's money". Yeah, ok.
Originally, I was pointing out that we don't need PP because, even the vaginalists admitted before Congress, the same services are provided elsewhere.
After that, I was talking about your reason that we NEED abortions and how that is just as fucked up as your reason for justifying murdering innocent men to prevent crime.
Let's keep the death penalty in that other thread.
If the bolded is too abstract for you, well, then it's too abstract. Either you understand and you're being stubborn because you dislike admitting you're wrong or you can't conceptualize that it's not just your money but everyone's money and so any statement that begins with some variation of "I'm paying for" is inflammatory rhetoric that is attempting to argue from emotion.
As for PP, with the number of anti-abortion laws being put on the books across the US PP might very well be the last option for women to get an abortion. I have not researched it but that seems to be what the general theme I'm hearing, which sounds probable.
As to abortions, they are needed. There are some states where there are only one or two abortion clinics. They might not be needed in large urban areas but in the bible belt and midwest there seems to be a need.
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I'm just mesmerized as men, how much we've got to talk about a subject that doesn't involve us at all.
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I'm just mesmerized as men, how much we've got to talk about a subject that doesn't involve us at all.
Hmm.. babies have nothing to do with men?
I would venture to say that even most GAY men have a child or two.. -
I'm just mesmerized as men, how much we've got to talk about a subject that doesn't involve us at all.
Hmm.. babies have nothing to do with men?
I would venture to say that even most GAY men have a child or two..Abortion is not about babies, it's about pregnancy. A baby is a fully developed fetus, outside of the mother's womb.
And yes, men have a role on pregnancy but it is women who carry it and face the difficulties so the last word should be theirs, not ours.
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Women have 100% of the say in whether we are fathers of not. So why should I pay for her abortion?
Her body, her choice, her wallet
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Women have 100% of the say in whether we are fathers of not.
If men opt to wear a condom, they can pretty much rule out unplanned fatherhood.
Why do you make such easily disproved and absurd remarks?
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Women have 100% of the say in whether we are fathers of not.
If men opt to wear a condom, they can pretty much rule out unplanned fatherhood.
Why do you make such easily disproved and absurd remarks?
Meme thinking: it's easy to argue from extreme points than look at issues in their complexity. Hyperbole can be an effective tool when used well. When used well.
Anyway, we learned that raphjd does women. Apparently, he's knocked a few up, too. ::)
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Abortion is not about babies, it's about pregnancy. A baby is a fully developed fetus, outside of the mother's womb.
And yes, men have a role on pregnancy but it is women who carry it and face the difficulties so the last word should be theirs, not ours.
You're thinking of it in terms of gender when there are just as many women who believe it is wrong for a woman to take the life of her unborn baby. Were all the men to disentangle them from all the policy you'd still have the same fight.
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Is it the states responsibility to pay for such services offered by places like PP?
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Should our collected monies be used to pay for something that goes against the belief systems of a portion of the contributors?
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Since abortion is currently protectedby judgments made in the Supreme Court, should the federal government intervene in state laws that are trying to restrict abortions?
See. There's no reason men and women can't discuss this.
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I'm just mesmerized as men, how much we've got to talk about a subject that doesn't involve us at all.
Hmm.. babies have nothing to do with men?
I would venture to say that even most GAY men have a child or two..Abortion is not about babies, it's about pregnancy. A baby is a fully developed fetus, outside of the mother's womb.
And yes, men have a role on pregnancy but it is women who carry it and face the difficulties so the last word should be theirs, not ours.
Is your last name "Clinton" by any chance?
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Women have 100% of the say in whether we are fathers of not.
If men opt to wear a condom, they can pretty much rule out unplanned fatherhood.
Why do you make such easily disproved and absurd remarks?
Uh.. the ladies are known to do things such as poke a pinhole in a condom to get pregnant. That is quite common. Also, condoms do break and fall off. Some bitch could easily take a filled condom and intentionally transfer the sea monkeys in it to her vag. A lot of males will not or at least hate wearing condoms.
I jsuggest that guys should never have sex with a female unless they are intending to have a baby. Otherwise, they should have sex with other guys or masturbate.. hehe..
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Uh.. the ladies are known to do things such as poke a pinhole in a condom to get pregnant. That is quite common. Also, condoms do break and fall off. Some bitch could easily take a filled condom and intentionally transfer the sea monkeys in it to her vag. A lot of males will not or at least hate wearing condoms.
Why do you answer questions explicitly directed to other people?
Shouldn't you, instead, be busy ironing someone's underwear?
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Again for the SJWs;
Her body, her choice, her wallet. If we can't regulate their vaginas, then we have no business paying for their abortions.
Also, doesn't Obama-care force abortion coverage on insurers?
At least, the bullshit argument that since it was a legal right, that we should have to pay for it has been dropped.
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Uh.. the ladies are known to do things such as poke a pinhole in a condom to get pregnant. That is quite common. Also, condoms do break and fall off. Some bitch could easily take a filled condom and intentionally transfer the sea monkeys in it to her vag. A lot of males will not or at least hate wearing condoms.
Why do you answer questions explicitly directed to other people?
Is that some new rule that I'm not aware of to kill all activity in the forum?
When you make absurd comments, you must consider that there may be consequences for them.
By the way… there is another problem with condoms. A lot of people don't use them consistently.
For instance, the guy always has a condom in his wallet, and puts it on... but before having an orgasm he loses his erection... the condom comes off and is covered with pre-cum.. and is damned near impossible to get back on.. and he doesn't have another.. yet he's hard again. Hmm...
Also, the guy might use the condom and have an orgasm.. but then is still horny and ready for round two.. only a second condom is not around.. hmmm..
Or.. guy usually has a condom.. but not at the time that he needs one... hmm...
Or... someone else brought a condom, but it's a super magnum extra large, so it doesn't fit... or it's a teeny tiny condom that doesn't fit.. hmm.. -
See. There's no reason men and women can't discuss this.
We both can discuss it but all I'm saying is women's voice should lead this discussion. We men -naturally- have lack of empathy on this subject.
Is your last name "Clinton" by any chance?
…says The Donald.
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Uh.. the ladies are known to do things such as poke a pinhole in a condom to get pregnant. That is quite common. Also, condoms do break and fall off. Some bitch could easily take a filled condom and intentionally transfer the sea monkeys in it to her vag. A lot of males will not or at least hate wearing condoms.
Why would a woman that desperately tries to get pregnant need abortion services?
If a condom breaks up during sex, is this the woman's fault?
I jsuggest that guys should never have sex with a female unless they are intending to have a baby. Otherwise, they should have sex with other guys or masturbate.. hehe..
Exactly. Straight sex always have a chance of pregnancy. If men can't face the consequences of that situation, then they should keep their willies in their panties. That's called responsibility.
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