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      aadam101
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      Republicans seem to believe that you only deserve healthcare if you pass some sot of moral test.  If that were the case our own President wouldn't qualify.  Lucky for him, he has taxpayer funded healthcare and doesn't need to worry about it.

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      • FrederickF Offline
        Frederick
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        @aadam101:

        Republicans seem to believe that you only deserve healthcare if you pass some sot of moral test.  If that were the case our own President wouldn't qualify.  Lucky for him, he has taxpayer funded healthcare and doesn't need to worry about it.

        Do you seriously believe that a multi billionaire goes to mainstream healthcare providers with health insurance?  He has his own personal physicians.  In fact, one reason the Secret Service don't like Trump is that he often uses his own personal security.

        Apparently the democrats don't think that the people covered by Obamacare deserve any insurance, because Obamacare is insolvent - a ticking time bomb that is in an irrecoverable death spiral.

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          aadam101
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          And you really think that Trump is charging everything to the government that he possibly can?  His doctor is billing the government.  Trump has been bilking the taxpayers for decades.  He isn't going to change now.  Remember, it makes him a smart businessman…..

          The idea that ObamaCare is in a death spiral is absolutely ludicrous.  Trump is going to stop funding it and then claim it imploded.  It's the equivalent of not giving a dog food and and water and then claiming it died of "natural causes."

          The fact is that the exchanges just  had their best quarter ever (Q1 2017) and they are expected to be profitable in 2018.

          http://fortune.com/2017/04/10/obamacare-death-spiral-profit/

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            flozen
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            @Frederick:

            Do you seriously believe that a multi billionaire goes to mainstream healthcare providers with health insurance?  He has his own personal physicians.  In fact, one reason the Secret Service don't like Trump is that he often uses his own personal security.

            Apparently the democrats don't think that the people covered by Obamacare deserve any insurance, because Obamacare is insolvent - a ticking time bomb that is in an irrecoverable death spiral.

            At the risk of repeating myself, Frederick, I think your theory of younger people not needing to buy insurance coverage in our U.S health care system is flawed.  Why should they be allowed to not participate, when they will surely want help with medical services somewhere down the road?

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              spam17
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              Insurance is a must!

              You never know what is planned for yourself!

              😄

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              • FrederickF Offline
                Frederick
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                @spam17:

                Insurance is a must!

                You never know what is planned for yourself!

                😄

                Insurance is not a must.  I've never needed health insurance, and up until 2 years ago, my father did not either. 
                Besides.. just because you have insurance doesn't mean you are insured…    you are only insured for what is covered.  Try to find an insurance plan that covers vision, hearing, or dental.  GOOD LUCK!

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                  spam17
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                  @Frederick:

                  @spam17:

                  Insurance is a must!

                  You never know what is planned for yourself!

                  😄

                  Insurance is not a must.  I've never needed health insurance, and up until 2 years ago, my father did not either. 
                  Besides.. just because you have insurance doesn't mean you are insured…    you are only insured for what is covered.  Try to find an insurance plan that covers vision, hearing, or dental.  GOOD LUCK!

                  Well.. I spoke from personal experience where at one point of my life I got covered!

                  :cool2:

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                    aadam101
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                    @Frederick:

                    @spam17:

                    Insurance is a must!

                    You never know what is planned for yourself!

                    😄

                    Try to find an insurance plan that covers vision, hearing, or dental.  GOOD LUCK!

                    The "free market" for various reasons decided a long time ago that those things should be separate.  Just wait until Republicans are done bringing us more of the market based reforms.  You will need to insure each limb individually.

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                      aadam101
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                      @Frederick:

                      and up until 2 years ago, my father did not either.

                      Your father is exactly why the Republican plan will never work.  You can't just buy insurance when you get sick.  The system cannot survive that way.

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                        spam17
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                        @aadam101:

                        @Frederick:

                        @spam17:

                        Insurance is a must!

                        You never know what is planned for yourself!

                        😄

                        Try to find an insurance plan that covers vision, hearing, or dental.   GOOD LUCK!

                        The "free market" for various reasons decided a long time ago that those things should be separate.  Just wait until Republicans are done bringing us more of the market based reforms.  You will need to insure each limb individually.

                        Unfortunately, the future does not seem promising..

                        😄

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                          raphjd Forum Administrator
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                          Too often, the argument here is:  The young, beautiful and virtuous shouldn't have to pay for insurance coverage, since their premiums go to provide care for nasty, old, dissolute people whose need for health care is their "fault," because of bad choices that made them overweight, smokers, etc.

                          A company I used to work for in the US had a program like this, as a "benefit".

                          It was an annual "complete check up".

                          Young people would pay astronomical amounts, while older people would pay very little.  This is despite young people getting very few tests and older people getting lots of tests.    It's a complete rip off for young people just starting out on much lower salaries.

                          A doctor friend, who I showed the paperwork to, told me not to do it until I was 55yo because it was a rip off til then.

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                            aadam101
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                            @raphjd:

                            Too often, the argument here is:  The young, beautiful and virtuous shouldn't have to pay for insurance coverage, since their premiums go to provide care for nasty, old, dissolute people whose need for health care is their "fault," because of bad choices that made them overweight, smokers, etc.

                            A company I used to work for in the US had a program like this, as a "benefit".

                            It was an annual "complete check up".

                            Young people would pay astronomical amounts, while older people would pay very little.  This is despite young people getting very few tests and older people getting lots of tests.    It's a complete rip off for young people just starting out on much lower salaries.

                            A doctor friend, who I showed the paperwork to, told me not to do it until I was 55yo because it was a rip off til then.

                            I'm confused.  Was this an insurance plan?

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                              raphjd Forum Administrator
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                              It wasn't insurance as such.  It was just a program that you could sign up for.

                              Employee's got free health insurance through work.

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                              • FrederickF Offline
                                Frederick
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                                @raphjd:

                                It wasn't insurance as such.   It was just a program that you could sign up for.

                                Employee's got free health insurance through work.

                                I think what you meant was that the employer was taking money that would presumably be going to the employee, and instead being used to purchase health insurance for that employee.  That money going to the insurance company could  have been spent on better office equipment, salaries, vacation time, etc. 
                                Instead of saying "Free" I wish people would say "Health insurance paid for out of our salaries before we ever saw the money".

                                At one place I worked, the office set the employees up with an insurance plan (that sucked).  Hardly anybody in this small office of about 16 workers used the insurance for anything.. except for this one woman with 6 kids including 2 twin toddlers.  She was CONSTANTLY bringing her little bastards to the doctor, causing the premiums for the insurance to rise for all the office.  I resented paying for this woman's litter of kids from multiple husbands.  Why should a healthcare plan not only cover the "intended" person, but also all the dependents of that person?

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                                  Frederick
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                                  @Frederick:

                                  @spam17:

                                  Insurance is a must!

                                  You never know what is planned for yourself!

                                  😄

                                  Insurance is not a must.   I've never needed health insurance, and up until 2 years ago, my father did not either. 
                                  Besides.. just because you have insurance doesn't mean you are insured…    you are only insured for what is covered BEYOND your deductible.  My dad's wife's mother had hurricane hit her house.  There was a LOT of damage.  She had homeowner's insurance.. but her deductible was MORE than the damage, so she got NOTHING!  Try to find an insurance plan that covers vision, hearing, or dental.   GOOD LUCK!

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