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      sutieday
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      @Frederick:

      @sutieday:

      @Frederick:

      Meanwhile.. is Hillary indicted yet?  When is she going to prison?

      Questions you should be asking Trump, no?

      Last week, Trump WAS wondering why Hillary isn't being investigated.  The media didn't pay much attention to that comment that Trump made. Should I go find it for you?  Or you think you can find it yourself?

      The guy who said he was gonna appoint a "special prosecutor" (Trump) has yet to do so. Or have you forgotten?

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        Frederick, you know we have a lot more against Trump besides his obvious conflicts of interest.  Actually I think he sought the presidency for two reasons: First to prove he could win, and second to improve the value of his brand and enrich himself and his family.  He has made it painfully clear he has no interest in governing.  He spends 5 hours of his waking hours watching news coverage of himself!

        What possible good could come out of prosecuting Hillary?  Like I have said on this board multiple times, she is not Our Lady of the Liberals.  Even if she were convicted and imprisoned, the moderate to left movement would not be affected.  And Obama?  Get Real.  Name one criminal act he ahould be prosecuted for, and you had better back it up with facts.

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          Uh, maybe he would have held the dinner at St. Jude's Hospital, where the Eric Trump foundation donated $30 Million dollars for kids to get free medical care… But I don't think people would want to dine at a hospital...? No sense.

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            @mhorndisk:

            Uh, maybe he would have held the dinner at St. Jude's Hospital, where the Eric Trump foundation donated $30 Million dollars for kids to get free medical care… But I don't think people would want to dine at a hospital...? No sense.

            You mean the fundraisers that Eric held at a Trump country club and was charged by the Trump organization for its use?  Oh, don't worry, they replaced the money with a donation from the Trump Foundation.  The only problem is Donald Trump hasn't contributed a dime to his own foundation since 2008.  So he essentially used Eric's foundation to convert donations to the Trump Foundation into income for the Trump Corporation.  He's right.  He is very smart!

            BTW, what's wrong with holding the fundraiser at a Hyatt or Hilton and avoiding even the appearance of a conflict?

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              Because then he would have to pay Hilton or Hyatt out of the funds raised. By using his own venue, the costs can be offset at the most affordable price. There's nothing wrong with that. Since 2008? Who cares? He did the work to raise the money, and you are trying to find some way to make this appear to be unethical or fraudulent when he literally raised millions of dollars for a hospital! It's nonsense!

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                @sutieday:

                I'm Surprised, so Trump supporters here to defend his various conflicts of interest?

                Trump using his businesses to generate funds….while President.

                If Trump used a hotel that had nothing to do with him, you'd still complain.

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                  @raphjd:

                  @sutieday:

                  I'm Surprised, so Trump supporters here to defend his various conflicts of interest?

                  Trump using his businesses to generate funds….while President.

                  If Trump used a hotel that had nothing to do with him, you'd still complain.

                  You are absolutely wrong.  Even the "Fake Media" would stand up and notice and praise him for it.  I also hate when you assume how I would react to any given scenario.  You may know other members of this board well, but I have not been here long enough for you to come to pre-drawn conclusions.

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                    @mhorndisk:

                    Because then he would have to pay Hilton or Hyatt out of the funds raised. By using his own venue, the costs can be offset at the most affordable price. There's nothing wrong with that. Since 2008? Who cares? He did the work to raise the money, and you are trying to find some way to make this appear to be unethical or fraudulent when he literally raised millions of dollars for a hospital! It's nonsense!

                    First, if he received a discount at his own hotel, that is an in-kind contribution which needs to be reported.  Second, you don't understand the issue with Eric Trump's fundraiser. Donald charged Eric to use the country club, the made up for those charges using Donald Trump Foundation money.  But Donald Trump has not contributed to his own foundation since 2008.  Therefore what Donald got from Eric's foundation he put in his own pocket, while the contribution back to Eric's foundation never came out of his pocket.  Get it?  If not, read all about it here:

                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#4e0ec086b4a3

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                      So 10 cents on the dollar might have went to the Trump Organization, and 90 cents on the dollar to the charity, although that is speculation, not fact, because you haven't actually seen the paperwork or the bills, so you have an allegation and an accusation, but really nothing solid or concrete.

                      Hillary on the other hand took 90% of the near one billion dollars raised for Haiti to "administrative costs." That's a fact that we DO know. In fact, during the VP debate, Mike Pence looked Tim Kaine square in the eye and said, the Hillary Foundation donates 10 cents on the dollar to charity, the other 90% goes to administrative costs. Tim Kaine changed the subject fast.

                      I guess you don't care about those kids in Haiti, since you probably voted for Hillary, right? I guess that makes you an extraordinary hypocrite, doesn't it?

                      Edit: At the end of the article, it notes that 2.9$ million was donated to St. Jude last year alone… But there were other charities not mentioned in this article. So you are calling him corrupt and unethical and fraudulent for a few hundred thousand dollars in costs? That's obscene, especially when you give Hildabeast a pass for taking $900 MILLION in costs. REAALLLYYY OBSCENE.

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                        @mhorndisk:

                        So 10 cents on the dollar might have went to the Trump Organization, and 90 cents on the dollar to the charity, although that is speculation, not fact, because you haven't actually seen the paperwork or the bills, so you have an allegation and an accusation, but really nothing solid or concrete.

                        So, you made an assumption, could not back up the assumption, so you used it as a critique…

                        @mhorndisk:

                        Hillary on the other hand took 90% of the near one billion dollars raised for Haiti to "administrative costs." That's a fact that we DO know. In fact, during the VP debate, Mike Pence looked Tim Kaine square in the eye and said, the Hillary Foundation donates 10 cents on the dollar to charity, the other 90% goes to administrative costs. Tim Kaine changed the subject fast.

                        I guess you don't care about those kids in Haiti, since you probably voted for Hillary, right? I guess that makes you an extraordinary hypocrite, doesn't it?

                        Everyone I disagree with voted for Hillary! Love your narrow-mindedness, really I do! Also, are you saying that Trump's use of his business to enrich himself/family, while in elected office, is okay because Hillary did so? You do see your own hypocrisy, right?

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                          What you said doesn't even make sense. Do you need to go back to elementary school so you can learn how to properly do arithmetic and reading? I don't think you comprehend what's being said. Maybe you need a graph. And yes, most likely you did vote for Hillary. It was Hillary or Trump, so yea… That's hardly narrow-minded.

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                            @mhorndisk:

                            What you said doesn't even make sense. Do you need to go back to elementary school so you can learn how to properly do arithmetic and reading? I don't think you comprehend what's being said. Maybe you need a graph. And yes, most likely you did vote for Hillary. It was Hillary or Trump, so yea… That's hardly narrow-minded.

                            Again with the ad hominem… also, you do know that 1) Voting is not compulsory, so many did not vote 2) There are other candidates, and you can write in on a ballot.

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                              And you voted for Hillary, because you don't deny it and you can't admit it because it would make you look like a fool. I am very well aware that some people didn't vote. Thank you for that very informative piece of information.

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                                @mhorndisk:

                                So 10 cents on the dollar might have went to the Trump Organization, and 90 cents on the dollar to the charity, although that is speculation, not fact, because you haven't actually seen the paperwork or the bills, so you have an allegation and an accusation, but really nothing solid or concrete.

                                Hillary on the other hand took 90% of the near one billion dollars raised for Haiti to "administrative costs." That's a fact that we DO know. In fact, during the VP debate, Mike Pence looked Tim Kaine square in the eye and said, the Hillary Foundation donates 10 cents on the dollar to charity, the other 90% goes to administrative costs. Tim Kaine changed the subject fast.

                                I guess you don't care about those kids in Haiti, since you probably voted for Hillary, right? I guess that makes you an extraordinary hypocrite, doesn't it?

                                Edit: At the end of the article, it notes that 2.9$ million was donated to St. Jude last year alone… But there were other charities not mentioned in this article. So you are calling him corrupt and unethical and fraudulent for a few hundred thousand dollars in costs? That's obscene, especially when you give Hildabeast a pass for taking $900 MILLION in costs. REAALLLYYY OBSCENE.

                                Another example of you swallowing the pablum of the conservative media without checking your facts,  The Clinton foundation donated to other charities about 10% of its income, but the vast amount of the foundation is done directly by it, Making it a public charity.  In fact, its administrative cost were only 12%, and it Got an A rating from independent third party that evaluates all charities.
                                http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/25/reince-priebus/reince-priebus-false-claim-80-clinton-foundation-c/

                                And you still don't understand the issue with the Eric Trump foundation.  Yes,Eric did raise a lot of money for kids with cancer, but his father converted money that other people gave to the Donald Trump Foundation into income for the Trump Corporation.  That's the last time I will explain it.

                                You are eagerly propagate lies about Hillary without checking the facts, but when we point out something true about Trump that you don't like, you call it fake news.

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                                  Everything you just said is false.

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                                    pppucci
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                                    @mhorndisk:

                                    Everything you just said is false.

                                    If you mean to accuse me of that, you need to back it up with facts.  Here are a few more of my own:

                                    Fact check.org:
                                    Activities of the Clinton Foundation:
                                        Clinton Development Initiative staff in Africa train rural farmers and help them get access to seeds, equipment and markets for their crops.
                                        Clinton Climate Initiative staff help governments in Africa and the Caribbean region with reforestation efforts, and in island nations to help develop renewable energy projects.
                                        Staff at the Clinton Health Access Initiative, an independent, affiliated entity, work in dozens of nations to lower the cost of HIV/AIDS medicine, scale up pediatric AIDS treatment and promote treatment of diarrhea through life-saving Zinc/ORS treatment.
                                        Clinton Health Matters staff work with local governments and businesses in the United States to develop wellness and physical activity plans.
                                    http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/

                                    Charity Watch:
                                    Program expenses 88%
                                    Administration 12%
                                    https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/clinton-foundation/478

                                    The overall confusion comes from a misreading of the foundations IRS 990 form, which lists 6% of its income going to outside charities, but the other 82% go to charitable programs run directly by the foundation.  Now you can believe what you want to believe. You  have shown before that you are not persuaded by facts, even when offered up by independent sources with no political agenda.  I can't help you there.  You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

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                                      mhorndisk
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                                      "Activities IF the Clinton Foundation…" Already starting off with grammar errors, and yet you want to tell us about edits and why it's so important to you. Seriously? Start by setting an example. Go back and edit every single post you've made, because they're filled with grammatical errors.

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                                        @mhorndisk:

                                        "Activities IF the Clinton Foundation…" Already starting off with grammar errors, and yet you want to tell us about edits and why it's so important to you. Seriously? Start by setting an example. Go back and edit every single post you've made, because they're filled with grammatical errors.

                                        We have a second..

                                        :blink:

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                                          pppucci
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                                          @mhorndisk:

                                          "Activities IF the Clinton Foundation…" Already starting off with grammar errors, and yet you want to tell us about edits and why it's so important to you. Seriously? Start by setting an example. Go back and edit every single post you've made, because they're filled with grammatical errors.

                                          I suggested you edit your posts to add addenda, not to correct typos, spelling or grammatical errors.  Criticizing you for that would be petty.  Spamming a thread with replies to your own posts, often several times in a row is just poor netiquette.

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