Obamacare = forced insurance?
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reading all that I'm very proud of my country and universal health care system that although imperfect and expensive we praise.
I rather be part of a nation that dont put " in god we trust" everywhere but act upon the fact that life and health are the most precious thing there are and greed a real sin.Yes, as you can see by Frederick's responses, greed is a serious problem we have in America but the more we forget about Ronald Wilson "Grand Devil" Reagan, the closer we get to moving away from greed.
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Honestly show me one good thing about the FUCKING GOD DAMNED OBAMACARE BILL?! ONE DAMN GOOD THING. ONE. Just go ahead.
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Honestly show me one good thing about the FUCKING GOD DAMNED OBAMACARE BILL?! ONE DAMN GOOD THING. ONE. Just go ahead.
Repealing it will flip the House and Senate to Democratic control :cheers:
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Honestly show me one good thing about the FUCKING GOD DAMNED OBAMACARE BILL?! ONE DAMN GOOD THING. ONE. Just go ahead.
Do you even read the responses? I just gave at least 3 PERSONAL stories -above - about the benefits of Obamacare - even though I am not on Obamacare myself.
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Honestly show me one good thing about the FUCKING GOD DAMNED OBAMACARE BILL?! ONE DAMN GOOD THING. ONE. Just go ahead.
Do you even read the responses? I just gave at least 3 PERSONAL stories -above - about the benefits of Obamacare - even though I am not on Obamacare myself.
I just read your 3 items below.. that you posted 4 hours ago. Sorry I didn't respond fast enough for you.
You gave some very good information, which verifies what I had in my mind.
I do have some questions and comments for you though.
1. Who is getting FREE healthcare if earning less than $16,000 per year? I think only juveniles, or am I wrong?
2. Defining a pre-existing condition is highly subjective.
3. I don't think full coverage is actually full coverage… for instance.. eyes can be fixed with laser surgery now.. but I doubt very much that any insurance covers that (interestingly, for a couple of years, insurance DID cover radial keratotomy which was the micro slicing of the cornea surface like a pizza to correct vision). I think even "full coverage" only covers thinks such as wounds, broken bones, and diseases.But all of that is besides the point. Obamacare sucks, the healthcare system is WAY overpriced, and government should stick to lowering and regulating healthcare costs, and let the consumer decide what insurance, if any, they would like to buy.
I can't resist adding one thing. My father had a simple procedure last year that involved a 1 hour procedure and 2 day hospital stay. The only cutting was a half inch incision. The anesthesia alone was $5000 (even though the liter bag of anesthesia costs only $500 - which is also too high). The 1 hour procedure was $28,000, and the 2 day hospital stay was another $50,000 ($50,000 for a couple of motrin, 6 meals, and a bed? hmm... ).
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Some things puzzle me about Obamacare.
Obamacare is not free healthcare, you and/or your employer have to pay for it.
Let's just pretend that Obamacare completely vanished overnight….
What is to stop people from buying their OWN health insurance?
Seems to me that people could buy better insurance on their own than the crap they are forced to buy that covers very little.This is one topic that I lack an understanding of, because I've never had a health issue that would be covered by Obamacare.
I've always been puzzled why insurance doesn't cover or barely covers anything to do with dental, vision, or hearing.Why should I pay for someone's shitty health because they smoked, abused alcohol, did drugs, ate the wrong foods, etc.?
My understanding is that people who would have healthcare insurance whether or not Obamacare existed, want everybody else to have Obamacare to subsidize THEIR insurance and lower their costs.
I agree with you on all of your points. The solution to this is single payer.
Don't even mention free market. If John Smith makes $50k per year but needs $100k per year in treatment and drugs to stay alive there is no free market solution for him. It doesn't exist and it never will. Companies will NEVER compete for his business. It won't happen.
For the most part, health insurers don't provide any value to the healthcare system. They simply skim money off the top and complicate life for all parties involved. Trust me. I know. I've worked in health insurance for my entire career.
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Not reading what you're saying, the title is like, DUH, but thanks for getting there.
It is DUH for you.. but not for the libtards who can't understand even the simplest concepts.
The media are playing this as if Trump is denying free healthcare coverage from 25 million people. Those people were not getting free healthcare coverage to begin with. What Trump is doing is not FORCING people to pay for coverage that they don't want.People also get the idea that when their employer is paying the healthcare premiums.. that they are getting it for free. Uh.. no. Instead of having more money going into one's paycheck, that money is being taken before the employee ever sees it, and being sent off to the government. Which by the way.. is a concept in communism.
I think you are misunderstanding what the AHCA does. While there isn't a mandate, there is a requirement that you must maintain coverage. If you don't maintain coverage and try to buy insurance later you have to pay more money for it. This will be a disaster as people will wait until they get sick to purchase insurance and then won't be able to afford it. They will be forced to go back and use the ER care which is expensive and not the right kind of care. They won't be able to afford those bills either and then the taxpayers get stuck paying those bills as well as the responsible people who have insurance. I'm sick and tired of paying for freeloaders. ObamaCare eliminated freeloaders and forced everyone to pay something even if it was just a fine.
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Some things puzzle me about Obamacare.
Obamacare is not free healthcare, you and/or your employer have to pay for it.
Let's just pretend that Obamacare completely vanished overnight….
What is to stop people from buying their OWN health insurance?
Seems to me that people could buy better insurance on their own than the crap they are forced to buy that covers very little.This is one topic that I lack an understanding of, because I've never had a health issue that would be covered by Obamacare.
I've always been puzzled why insurance doesn't cover or barely covers anything to do with dental, vision, or hearing.Why should I pay for someone's shitty health because they smoked, abused alcohol, did drugs, ate the wrong foods, etc.?
My understanding is that people who would have healthcare insurance whether or not Obamacare existed, want everybody else to have Obamacare to subsidize THEIR insurance and lower their costs.
I agree with you on all of your points. The solution to this is single payer.
Don't even mention free market. If John Smith makes $50k per year but needs $100k per year in treatment and drugs to stay alive there is no free market solution for him. It doesn't exist and it never will. Companies will NEVER compete for his business. It won't happen.
For the most part, health insurers don't provide any value to the healthcare system. They simply skim money off the top and complicate life for all parties involved. Trust me. I know. I've worked in health insurance for my entire career.
And that's what it keeps coming back to: greed. How greedy do we want our nation to remain and do we want to become a greedier nation? Should we continue to put a price on human lives and should we increase that price? That's what this argument has become and without a smart president to manipulate us, everyone is realizing the real argument about greed. Like I've said many times on here, Reagan and his evil policies are dead and burning in hell. It is time for us to move on and it starts with us confronting and destroying the greed. I wish Bernie would have been better at arguing this point. His entire slogan should have been, "End Reaganomics and Greed."
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Not reading what you're saying, the title is like, DUH, but thanks for getting there.
It is DUH for you.. but not for the libtards who can't understand even the simplest concepts.
The media are playing this as if Trump is denying free healthcare coverage from 25 million people. Those people were not getting free healthcare coverage to begin with. What Trump is doing is not FORCING people to pay for coverage that they don't want.People also get the idea that when their employer is paying the healthcare premiums.. that they are getting it for free. Uh.. no. Instead of having more money going into one's paycheck, that money is being taken before the employee ever sees it, and being sent off to the government. Which by the way.. is a concept in communism.
I think you are misunderstanding what the AHCA does. While there isn't a mandate, there is a requirement that you must maintain coverage. If you don't maintain coverage and try to buy insurance later you have to pay more money for it. This will be a disaster as people will wait until they get sick to purchase insurance and then won't be able to afford it. They will be forced to go back and use the ER care which is expensive and not the right kind of care. They won't be able to afford those bills either and then the taxpayers get stuck paying those bills as well as the responsible people who have insurance. I'm sick and tired of paying for freeloaders. ObamaCare eliminated freeloaders and forced everyone to pay something even if it was just a fine.
Well, I somewhat agree with you, however, being FORCED to pay for something that many people don't want, can't afford, and don't need is worse than some freeloaders.
Worse than both of those is that instead of cutting health care costs, Obamacare resulted in premiums spiraling UP out of control. Also, a person paying out of pocket can't compete with the megabucks paid out by insurance companies. Many doctors will not even accept people as a patient paying out of pocket. They REQUIRE that someone has insurance. That is sick. People sit in emergency rooms with wounds and broken bones not receiving any care, while they shove clipboards in front of the victims face to fill out.
Basically.. regardless of the merits of Obamacare.. it FAILED to deliver on what it was supposed to do. Places like hospitals and universities are money pits. They bring in massive amounts of money and who knows how they manage to piss it away. -
The whole idea of forcing people to buy insurance is a conservative idea. It was written by conservatives during the Nixon administration and then kicked around Congress for 30 years until a Republican governor from Massachusetts (the bluest state in the country) decided to implement it in his state. Romney used to talk a lot about how "freeloaders" were destroying the healthcare system. They were forcing higher costs on everyone and bankrupting hospitals. Republicans hate freeloaders so they forced people to pay for their own care.
If the Democrats had their way they would just implement single payer and be done with it. Instead they were forced to enact a Republican plan and all the Republican snowflakes melted over it. Even Romney famously campaigned against his own healthcare plan when he ran for President. How can you vote for a guy like that? He claimed he wanted states to design their own programs and that sounds good at first but what do you think is going to happen in states like Alabama and Mississippi? It's just one more way to create inequality in this country. The biggest problem with states enacting their own programs is that sick people (who are expensive) can simply move to states with better healthcare when they get sick. I know several people who have moved to Massachusetts because nearly everyone has healthcare here. It's extremely easy to get on Medicaid and nearly every doctor accepts it. It's almost unheard of for a doctor not to accept Medicaid in this state.
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