Peacefulness and calmness.

raphjd

Discuss politics and debate world issues

That's the by-line of this section.

Discussing left vs right falls into that.

strangeloop

@raphjd:

Yeah, and the left label ALL conservatives as racists, Nazis and everything else they can think of.

I consider myself part of "the left" and you don't see me "labeling ALL conservatives as racists, Nazis", and so forth and I never have. There are people who may identify as conservatives and racist and/or Nazis, but certainly not all of them. I do find it rather ironic, however, that you have an issue when people on "the left" doing this (and rightfully so, as stereotyping is indeed a problem), yet you constantly label all liberals and people on the left as doing, being, or saying certain things.

I can see what you're saying, but the racism and bigotry of the left is mainstream and institutional. How am I supposed to interpret that?

wafflez

@raphjd:

Discuss politics and debate world issues

That's the by-line of this section.

Discussing left vs right falls into that.

I'm not saying don't discuss left and right wing issues; I'm saying that there are differences in beliefs, values, etc within political groups, and that labeling every member of the group with a broad brush dismisses this, which only causes more problems.

@strangeloop:

I can see what you're saying, but the racism and bigotry of the left is mainstream and institutional. How am I supposed to interpret that?

I've seen both sides, left and right, perpetuate institutionalized racism. The prison complex and the racist war on drugs are a few examples. We can also look at more specific instances of racist actions and comments, like Hillary Clinton's "super predator" comments, or Jeff Sessions undermining civil rights enforcement by turning away consent decrees.

This isn't a competition about who is more racist or bigoted. It's problematic no matter who is responsible. Have an issue with anyone institutionalizing racism and bigotry of course, but also understand that if someone does such a thing it doesn't mean that everyone in their group agrees with them or would do the same thing. If a person from the left does something racist, it does not mean that everyone on the left is racist or would do the same thing or do anything racist for that matter. This also applies to if someone on the right does something racist.

royalcrown89

@strangeloop:

@royalcrown89:

For the user who started this thread, hopefully you can see by now that it just isn't possible. A Congressman was nearly assassinated and is still in critical condition and it did nothing to change this forum. There was a call for 24 hours of civility on that issue, yet threads were still made trying to politicize the situation. If we can't even do 24 hours of civility then there is no civility in this forum. It's sad but it's the truth at this point. I wholly disagree with every single thing Steve Scalise stands for, yet I would never support violence against him and I refuse to engage in partisan bickering over his attempted assassination. That is disgusting behavior and beneath the acceptable level of civility in my opinion.

Dude, why don't you just say what you really want to say. You hate Frederick. It's his fault for all the incivility here. He made a naughty post correctly pointing out the link between the hate-environment the left media has created and people feeling they have no choice but to resort to violence against conservatives. Despite everyone, deep down, knowing it to be true. It hurts your fee-fees that he doesn't make his point in a PC manner.

In the other thread you said:

Also it wasn't a Republican event, it was practice for an event that brings Republicans and Democrats together.

The shooter asked targets if they were Republican or Democrat first, and only shot Republicans.

Therefore, I will not be participating in any of the discussions on the shooting. It's pointless bickering if you're only going to call people names and not even defend why you have the position you have.

Yet here you are, discussing it. "A Congressman was nearly assassinated and is still in critical condition." Do you see how it comes off as hypocritical and facetious?

I didn't say no one should talk about it, I said we should attempt to be civil for at least 24 hours. Do you know what civil means? It doesn't mean not discussing the matter at all. And a Congressman was nearly assassinated and is still in critical condition. What's political about that? How am I a hypocrite by stating what happened and why we all should have been more civil for at least 24 hours after the shooting happened? You're so quick to take a shot at me that you clearly didn't read my responses carefully. Also, you have no idea what you're talking about in relation to me and Frederick. I have talked to him in private on here through inbox messages, something I have not done with you so you have no room to say who I hate or don't hate. I would advise you to leave me alone after this. I'm not going to further explain anything to someone who clearly has no intention on understanding anything I say.

strangeloop

@royalcrown89:

I didn't say no one should talk about it, I said we should attempt to be civil for at least 24 hours.

You said: "Therefore, I will not be participating in any of the discussions on the shooting."

I'm not going to further explain anything to someone who clearly has no intention on understanding anything I say.

I'm simply showing you that you pretended to take the high road by saying you won't discuss it in the previous thread, but then just going ahead and discussing it in this thread, in a backhanded manner to boot. What you said wasn't that complicated, so I'm pretty sure I understood what you said.

royalcrown89

@strangeloop:

@royalcrown89:

I didn't say no one should talk about it, I said we should attempt to be civil for at least 24 hours.

You said: "Therefore, I will not be participating in any of the discussions on the shooting."

I'm not going to further explain anything to someone who clearly has no intention on understanding anything I say.

I'm simply showing you that you pretended to take the high road by saying you won't discuss it in the previous thread, but then just going ahead and discussing it in this thread, in a backhanded manner to boot. What you said wasn't that complicated, so I'm pretty sure I understood what you said.

I said that I would not be participating AFTER THE FACT. READ THE TIME STAMPS. You are conflating different things I said at VERY different times to try to prove your wrong point. My very first post on this issue was asking users on here to please wait 24 hours before making the discussion toxic. When that didn't happen, I called it out and then much later I said I would no longer participate. You are twisting the context of my posts and the times at which I made them to fit your wrong point and it's sad. Since I won't sling filth on this topic like others have, you're coming at me to start something else and I'm not going for it. If you continue to reply to me or address me, I will reply with: :spam: because I have nothing else to say to you.

pppucci

@raphjd:

Discuss politics and debate world issues

That's the by-line of this section.

Discussing left vs right falls into that.

Yes, but discussing left vs right should not include words like moonbat, libt***, Nazi, fascist, etc. etc. We have all been guilty of that.

raphjd

Yes, but discussing left vs right should not include words like moonbat, libt***, Nazi, fascist, etc. etc. We have all been guilty of that.

I was ONLY responding to the idea that certain topics should be moved to "rants & raves".

pppucci

@raphjd:

Yes, but discussing left vs right should not include words like moonbat, libt***, Nazi, fascist, etc. etc. We have all been guilty of that.

I was ONLY responding to the idea that certain topics should be moved to "rants & raves".

The vitriol is not left vs right. Those who simply want to hurl insults should move to another forum.

raphjd

Actually, it is very left vs right. Just look at the election. Look at the aftermath.