UC Berkeley at it again

[aadam101]

@raphjd:

Umm, do you think that Trump is wrong that all kinds of women throw themselves at rich men?

Nobody wants women to be raped or sexually assaulted.

Males have virtually no protection.  According to the way the FBI records crime stats, thanks to the feminist campaign RAPE IS RAPE, women can not rape men.  This is the case in most of the western world, despite the feminist claims of gender equality.

Trump didn't say anything about women throwing themselves at him in the Billy Bush tape.  You are making that up.  He didn't even imply it.

[amicusets]

@aadam101:

Where are all the Conservatives now?  Doesn't Milo have a right to free speech?  If he can promote racism why can't he promote pedophilia?

1. You must be a special kind of stupid if you think that racism and pedophilia are the same things.

2. Provide proof that Milo has "promoted" racism. I would imagine that the number of black men that he has fucked might have a thing or two to say dispelling that notion. (BTW, just because someone doesn't believe that blacks should be treated differently because they are black is the exact OPPOSITE of racism.)

3. Listen or read long enough to anyone and you will hear some stupid shit. It hasn't taken all that long for me to realize that with you.

4. I feel exactly the same way about Milo saying this stupid shit in public as I did when George Takei said it in 2006. For some reason, though, when Takei said it there wasn't even a blip in the news about it…

http://www.tmz.com/2017/02/22/george-takei-milo-yiannopoulos-child-molestation/
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/milo-yianopoulos-george-takei-twitter-facebook-brietbart-paedophilia-comments-video-a7592856.html
http://theralphretort.com/george-takei-goes-into-graphic-detail-approves-underage-sex-act-with-older-man-when-will-he-lose-endorsements-2021017/
http://redalertpolitics.com/2017/02/22/liberals-condemn-milos-comments-mum-george-takei/

[aadam101]

@amicusets:

@aadam101:

Where are all the Conservatives now?  Doesn't Milo have a right to free speech?  If he can promote racism why can't he promote pedophilia?

1. You must be a special kind of stupid if you think that racism and pedophilia are the same things.

2. Provide proof that Milo has "promoted" racism. I would imagine that the number of black men that he has fucked might have a thing or two to say dispelling that notion. (BTW, just because someone doesn't believe that blacks should be treated differently because they are black is the exact OPPOSITE of racism.)

3. Listen or read long enough to anyone and you will hear some stupid shit. It hasn't taken all that long for me to realize that with you.

4. I feel exactly the same way about Milo saying this stupid shit in public as I did when George Takei said it in 2006. For some reason, though, when Takei said it there wasn't even a blip in the news about it…

http://www.tmz.com/2017/02/22/george-takei-milo-yiannopoulos-child-molestation/
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/milo-yianopoulos-george-takei-twitter-facebook-brietbart-paedophilia-comments-video-a7592856.html
http://theralphretort.com/george-takei-goes-into-graphic-detail-approves-underage-sex-act-with-older-man-when-will-he-lose-endorsements-2021017/
http://redalertpolitics.com/2017/02/22/liberals-condemn-milos-comments-mum-george-takei/

Then forget the racism.

Pussy grabbing and molesting teenage boys are pretty similar.  The right has no problem with pussy grabbing because they view women as second class citizens.  They have even convinced some women that they are equal despite the fact that they think it's ok for random male "stars" to grab their pussies whenever they like.

Then as soon as someone promotes the idea of grabbing penis they play the moral card. It's pathetic.

[rawr]

@aadam101:

Pussy grabbing and molesting teenage boys are pretty similar.  The right has no problem with pussy grabbing because they view women as second class citizens.  They have even convinced some women that they are equal despite the fact that they think it's ok for random male "stars" to grab their pussies whenever they like.

Then as soon as someone promotes the idea of grabbing penis they play the moral card. It's pathetic.

Still, clearly not the same thing or similar other than they are both considered to be sexual assault, which is pretty broad. Your logic is like saying that stealing a candy bar is the same thing as stealing a car because they are both larceny.

Uh, Who is they?

Also, there's a few models on this site, where if they walked up to me and grabbed my junk, I would be okay with that.

Sorry, I never really understood the whole pussy grabbing thing other than the music video was hysterical and it was obviously not something that was meant to be in the public.

The issue arises when the sexual misconduct is unwanted, the way he worded what he said actually insinuated that they would allow you to… To me, this means they would be okay with it... Although, I admit, the way he sounded, he makes it seem like he is a "connoisseur." Like as if he does this all the time or something.

Edit: I always felt the government should stay the hell out of people's sex lives, there's absolutely ridiculous over-sensitivity to "sexual assault." Look, if one person is too aggressive and the other person says no, and the aggressive person keeps it up, then it's wrong. Sooner or later, if people don't stop being so over sensitive to the issue, you're going to have to ask permission for every hug and have to sign a legal document every time you have sex.

Even in the "Pussy Grabbing Context." Okay, Orange faced man walks up to you, starts making it out with you and is all over your junk, if you're participating, then you're obviously okay with it... There's this grey area now where you can be willfully participating, but it's sexual assault... That's bullshit.

As far as pedophilia, no sorry, it's always wrong. And "he slipped and did the splits on to my cock" is not going to hold up in court.

[amicusets]

@aadam101:

Then forget the racism.

Pussy grabbing and molesting teenage boys are pretty similar.  The right has no problem with pussy grabbing because they view women as second class citizens.  They have even convinced some women that they are equal despite the fact that they think it's ok for random male "stars" to grab their pussies whenever they like.

Then as soon as someone promotes the idea of grabbing penis they play the moral card. It's pathetic.

Damn, you just love proving my point, don't you:
@amicusets:

Listen or read long enough to anyone and you will hear some stupid shit. It hasn't taken all that long for me to realize that with you.

Someone disproves and calls out the bullshit of your argument, so you just on a different line of attack.

Again, pedophilia and sexual assault of an adult are two VERY DIFFERENT things. These things are not equitable in the slightest.

As for his comments "advocating" for sexual assault fits in with the rest of the bullshit you have spewed. For one thing, he wasn't advocating anything, and the other, it was a conversation between two straight men. If you have ever been around multiple straight men that aren't themselves SJWs you would realize that talking like that is "normal."

[aadam101]

@amicusets:

@aadam101:

Then forget the racism.

Pussy grabbing and molesting teenage boys are pretty similar.  The right has no problem with pussy grabbing because they view women as second class citizens.  They have even convinced some women that they are equal despite the fact that they think it's ok for random male "stars" to grab their pussies whenever they like.

Then as soon as someone promotes the idea of grabbing penis they play the moral card. It's pathetic.

Damn, you just love proving my point, don't you:
@amicusets:

Listen or read long enough to anyone and you will hear some stupid shit. It hasn't taken all that long for me to realize that with you.

Someone disproves and calls out the bullshit of your argument, so you just on a different line of attack.

Again, pedophilia and sexual assault of an adult are two VERY DIFFERENT things. These things are not equitable in the slightest.

As for his comments "advocating" for sexual assault fits in with the rest of the bullshit you have spewed. For one thing, he wasn't advocating anything, and the other, it was a conversation between two straight men. If you have ever been around multiple straight men that aren't themselves SJWs you would realize that talking like that is "normal."

You're right.  These things are different.  The teenage boy probably likes it.  The woman doesn't.

[YoungGun]

I guess you either believe the gender wage gap exists, or you haven't paid attention to what the (now former) President says.    He's also spewed many other feminist lies like the college rape lies.

Let's not forget how Obama race baited black deaths when if fact they were "clean kills" like Michael Brown in Ferguson.

It seems even "conservatives" are far left leaning now-a-days.

Even if that were all true, which I think is a complete delusional perception on your part, that still doesn't eliminate feminist issues.  Again, you attacking somebody on the left doesn't make problems or issues null and void.

So who are the "good feminists" who marched on Washington?  Was it the celebs with their bullshit rants or the crowd who cheered for them?

My friends for one.  Also, why are celeb rants bullshit?  But again it's okay for you to stereotype and villainize entire groups in your mind.

Fucking hell.   We have an internet shrink and "patriarchy" screamer.  Says it all.

In the entire existence of this country we haven't had 1 female President (and I'm not talking about Hillary not winning this particular election; I'm talking about not 1 single female being President of 45 opportunities despite making up about 50% of the population).  That stat alone (let alone all the other ones) shows the existence of patriarchy.  You can make up as many excuses and justifications as you want, but the proof is in the pudding.

Unless you want to argue that females are innately less able to become President, that means the issue is social (nurture instead of nature).  And if that is the case, that means patriarchy exists.

So you tell me…why has a female never become President out of 45 opportunities?  Why that insane disparity between the fact that they are NOT minorities and yet lack so much power?  Is it nature or nurture?

[raphjd]

@aadam101:

@raphjd:

Umm, do you think that Trump is wrong that all kinds of women throw themselves at rich men?

Nobody wants women to be raped or sexually assaulted.

Males have virtually no protection.   According to the way the FBI records crime stats, thanks to the feminist campaign RAPE IS RAPE, women can not rape men.   This is the case in most of the western world, despite the feminist claims of gender equality.

Trump didn't say anything about women throwing themselves at him in the Billy Bush tape.  You are making that up.  He didn't even imply it.

Do you mean when Trump said this to Billy Bush;

"They let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy.”

Notice the 1st part,  THEY LET YOU DO IT.

[raphjd]

The "patriarchy" is the feminist version of the boogey man.

Women are the biggest voting block and they could do anything they wanted if they voted en mass.  Blame women for not voting for Hillary's vagina.

Justin Trudeau talked about how hard it is to get women to run for politics and he's n uber feminist cuck.

Society treats men like shit at every turn, but it's "patriarchy".

Just because you are a self hating feminist, doesn't mean that  feminists tell the truth.  With all the laws in just the US alone about equal pay, feminists should have plenty of exact proof that they can point to rather than vagueries and stats that run counter to official US government departments.

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that you probably only know about gender issues as spoon fed to you by feminists.  You probably don't know about gender biased issues outside of the bullshit your friend and other feminists have told you about.

I bet that you didn't know that in India, the law says that women can not commit domestic violence and any sort of sex crime.  Back in 2012/13 when they tried to change this, feminists lost their fucking minds and put a stop to it.

There are countless issues in the UK that are totally pro-women and feminists fight to maintain those special rights, while fighting to make things worse for men.  Despite all the laws about gender equality in the UK, the official judges' rulebook, aka Bench Book, states in both the equalities and sentencing section that women must be treated extremely leniently in all areas of court proceedings, especially in sentencing.

The US feminist campaign RAPE IS RAPE, fought to expand the definition of rape.  They also fought to include male rape victims in FBI crime stats, but they lost their shit when the FBI wanted to include ALL male rape victims.  In the end, the FBI (under Obama the cuck), it was agreed that women can't victimize men.

Anyone who claims "patriarchy" can fuck off.

[YoungGun]

The "patriarchy" is the feminist version of the boogey man.

Women are the biggest voting block and they could do anything they wanted if they voted en mass.   Blame women for not voting for Hillary's vagina.

You apparently don't understand what "patriarchy" is or how it works.  Straight from Wikipedia:

"Patriarchy is a social system in which males hold primary power and predominate in roles of political leadership, moral authority, social privilege and control of property…Historically, patriarchy has manifested itself in the social, legal, political, religious and economic organization of a range of different cultures. Even if not explicitly defined to be by their own constitutions and laws, most contemporary societies are, in practice, patriarchal"

Patriarchy isn't about blaming men.  It's simply identifying which gender has more power, status, and/or privilege.  And men have more.  You can justify it all you want.  You can blame whoever you want.  But it's not Boogeyman, when we've had 45/45 Presidents be male and yet females make up about 50% of the population

And yes, females keep females down, and that is mostly due to a patriarchal cultural system that programs and influences values in favor of men.  It's clearly not due to nature, so that means it's due to nurture.  That means it's due to US--SOCIETY.

Justin Trudeau talked about how hard it is to get women to run for politics and he's n uber feminist cuck.

And why do you think that is?  Given how females used to often rule tribes before the rise of the more militaristic patriarchal tribes that started taking over the world, it's obviously not due to nature.  That means it's product of cultural systems which then go on to raise and indoctrinate future generations (males and females) with certain values, ideals, beliefs, opportunities, etc.

Society treats men like shit at every turn, but it's "patriarchy".

A society that treats men like shit (it hasn't treated me like shit at all, so I think "at every turn" is an overstatement) still doesn't negate the existence of patriarchy.

Just because you are a self hating feminist, doesn't mean that  feminists tell the truth.   With all the laws in just the US alone about equal pay, feminists should have plenty of exact proof that they can point to rather than vagueries and stats that run counter to official US government departments.

Did you mean self-hating male? lol.  I love being male, and I would never want to be female precisely because I know females have it worse.  If you had the choice, I doubt you'd choose being female over male–let's be real.

Laws are critical for more equality, but they hardly guarantee equal treatment.  Are you really that naive?  There's the enforcement of laws, there's the entire culture of a nation, there's value systems and beliefs where people literally can't see or understand problems and deny their existence (like sexism, racism, homophobia, etc.), etc.

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that you probably only know about gender issues as spoon fed to you by feminists.

Actually I studied masculinity too.  I did take a class on feminism and that helped wake me up.  But being gay obviously got me thinking about the subtle ways culture, values, beliefs, etc. create systems of privilege and power and how subtle and invisible they often are to people who don't think critically about cause and effect on a wider level.

What are your personal qualifications of knowing about gender issues?  What makes you an expert and so quick to deny what feminists say?

You probably don't know about gender biased issues outside of the bullshit your friend and other feminists have told you about.

We can always point to how males and/or females are treated badly with specific cases.  The existence of Patriarchy or sexism against female doesn't negate the existence of sexism against males.  You seem to think that any injustice done to Republicans/men/white people/etc. automatically negates injustices done to other groups and vice versa.  It doesn't.  Fighting injustice against minorities, females, immigrants, etc. shouldn't be considered an attack Republicans/men/whites/etc!  We're all supposed to be in this TOGETHER.

The only way that it possibly is a bad thing to remove these injustices is if you're viewing this with a scarcity mindset as a zero-sum game where anything good happening to others means it's hurting you.  More equality only hurts you, if you had no intention of wanting an equal, fair, or merit-based world in the first place.  If you are all for selfishness, entitlement, privilege, and power–then yes, I guess you could say helping others, fighting injustice, etc. hurts you.  Is that the case?  Is that how you think?

I bet that you didn't know that in India, the law says that women can not commit domestic violence and any sort of sex crime.   Back in 2012/13 when they tried to change this, feminists lost their fucking minds and put a stop to it.

No I don't know, and I think that's a tangent that's not particularly relevant to the issue of patriarchy.  But I'll certainly look at it if you give me a link to that topic

There are countless issues in the UK that are totally pro-women and feminists fight to maintain those special rights, while fighting to make things worse for men.

How so?

Despite all the laws about gender equality in the UK, the official judges' rulebook, aka Bench Book, states in both the equalities and sentencing section that women must be treated extremely leniently in all areas of court proceedings, especially in sentencing.

That may very well be true, but that certainly doesn't negate the existence of patriarchy.  Again, this world is filled with multiple injustices.  There are many things that are against BOTH females and males.  It's not 1 or the other.  Females or people outside of your specific social groups are NOT your enemies.  Injustice is your enemy.  To the extent you want to further perpetuate it is the more injustice, hate, division, and extreme counter-measures tend to occur.

The US feminist campaign RAPE IS RAPE, fought to expand the definition of rape.  They also fought to include male rape victims in FBI crime stats, but they lost their shit when the FBI wanted to include ALL male rape victims.  In the end, the FBI (under Obama the cuck), it was agreed that women can't victimize men.

Again, it doesn't negate the existence of patriarchy.  But feel free to provide proof for this

Anyone who claims "patriarchy" can fuck off.

Why do you think that examples of injustice to men somehow negates the existence of injustice to females.  I mean it seems to be your main argument for everything against social groups you identify with is that somebody from another social group is doing your social group wrong.  So that means they are EVIL BAD PEOPLE TRYING TO KEEP YOU DOWN but your group is full of sweet innocent angels that can do no wrong!  It's so black and white–this or that.  Have you not realized that humanity is full of flaws and injustice is everywhere?!?  That bad things can happen to multiple groups all at the same time and that all people have good/bad sides to them and manage to fuck each other over both intentionally and unintentionally?  That's why we need more people to take accountability and pursue higher values than revenge, tribal-like thinking, etc.

It's not just about kumbaya to feel good.  It's in our self-interest to uphold a moral social contract.  When we don't do that and pursue unapologetic selfishness, that just erodes the foundation of social cooperation and creates more division and internal war.  That is in none of our self-interest, and then we ALL get less and less of what we want.

[tempbo]

By "at it again" I assume you mean teaching the actual truth and defending basic freedoms.

The right wing bullshit in this forum is getting pretty thick.

[raphjd]

The "patriarchy" is feminist bullshit, at best.  It's used to man bash at every turn.

If anything, society is man hating.  We treat women better than men at every turn.  Medical and social funding massively favors women.

The west, whether officially or unofficially, uses the Duluth Model of domestic violence which dictates that even in the face of extreme evidence, the man is always guilty.

Women have nothing better to bitch about than "man-spreading" and the like.  Oddly, women are far worse at spreading out on public transport than men could ever dream of.

YES, there are some GOOD feminists, but the extreme vast majority of feminists absolutely hate them.  Christina Hoff Sommers and others like her are decent feminists.

The fact that you ran to Wikipedia to find out the definition of patriarchy show you don't know anything about feminism or you are part of their lie.

More proof that feminism is nothing but man hating is the lie that it's about GENDER EQUALITY.  Anyone who spent an hour researching feminism would have to be a total idiot if they still believed that lie.  There has never been a feminist campaign that benefited men only to make us equal to women.

AGAIN, women are the biggest voting block in every western country, meaning that anything they decide to do en mass will be done.  Hillary could have been elected by women and there is nothing men could do about it.  Add all the cuck votes in and it's the biggest landslide the world has ever seen.

It's extremely telling how you, like all the other "normal" feminists dismiss facts because they don't gel with their religion.

In the 30 years I've been debating feminists, the only feminist that I respect is a 12yo (she might be 13 now) girl from Somalia, now living in the US.  She didn't automatically reject things that disagreed with her beliefs.  She understood that I hate feminism because of feminists.  It was great talking to her.  If we're lucky, in about 10 years, she'll be the new Christina Hoff Sommers.

[tempbo]

@raphjd The way you endlessly repeat your prejudices as if they were some sort of logical argument is very tiresome - which, naturally, predisposes me to believe that YOU are very tiresome. Police that.

[YoungGun]

The "patriarchy" is feminist bullshit, at best.  It's used to man bash at every turn.

It's not bullshit.  100% male Presidents.  Approx. 50% gender divide.  Male bashing doesn't eliminate or justify injustices to females.  Your inability to sympathize with the plight of others only leads to contributing to a world where nobody is going to care about issues affecting you.  You want the world to care about your problems, but you dismiss the problems of others and actively contribute to the world's.

You'll dislike me for saying this (no doubt dismissing any personal responsibility as you've done this entire time), but basically I can now say you definitely have an entitled, self-centered, victim-oriented, scarcity-based mindset.  You lack basic emotional intelligence and empathetic skills, and the reason why you probably are being "bashed at every turn" probably has nothing to do with being male and everything to do with you being selfish and caustic and everybody is just giving you the same treatment back.

Instead of trying to rise to the best version of yourself and make the world a better place, you prefer to sink to the lowest level justifying all kinds of bad behavior by looking at and mirroring all the worst parts of humanity and then positioning yourself as the ultimate wronged victim who now has a license to contribute to the world's wrongs, because you think pointing out somebody worse somehow eliminates your own social responsibilities.

You're basically a leech on society, you create problems rather than solve them, you're highly negative and bitter, and basically I bet you kind of hate yourself on some level as there's clearly a lot of projection going on.  I hope life turns around for you, and you become a better version of yourself, because right now you're doing neither yourself or society any favors.  I do believe you've struggled in life and you're angry and frustrated for a reason, but I think your values/intent are completely misguided and your belief/interpretations/perspective completely deluded

The fact that you ran to Wikipedia to find out the definition of patriarchy show you don't know anything about feminism or you are part of their lie.

That was just to reference a well-known popular source of information (in other words–not some extremist fringe feminist source) for YOUR edification--not mine.

More proof that feminism is nothing but man hating is the lie that it's about GENDER EQUALITY.  Anyone who spent an hour researching feminism would have to be a total idiot if they still believed that lie.   There has never been a feminist campaign that benefited men only to make us equal to women.

Well even though it's about gender equality, it's specifically more about correcting and rebalancing power, because females are in the subordinate position generally speaking.  Unfortunately, to rebalance power, that IS an attack of male privilege/power, which clearly you view as an attack or a weakening of your own power.  But since you didn't EARN certain gendered privileges, and since presumably a decent human being would want to promote a society of relative justice versus a more dog eat dog world (in which you'd get trampled on even more if you think the issues you've been bitching about are bad), that's just a part of shared sacrifice.  Male entitlement is precisely a mechanism and symptom of patriarchy that keeps women down.

That doesn't make me a man hater, because I'm willing to give up power I didn't earn for others.  In my mind, it's in our self-interest to genuinely pursue a society that truly embodies values such as justice, merit, consistency, etc.  When we don't uphold those values, we simply open the door and justify all the wrongs that come our way as well.  But in any case, I understand what kind of person you are now, so these conversations are going nowhere

AGAIN, women are the biggest voting block in every western country, meaning that anything they decide to do en mass will be done.   Hillary could have been elected by women and there is nothing men could do about it.   Add all the cuck votes in and it's the biggest landslide the world has ever seen.

It's extremely telling how you, like all the other "normal" feminists dismiss facts because they don't gel with their religion.

No the funny thing is I agree with you on that particular fact.  The one doing the "dismissing" is you.  Did you even UNDERSTAND what I was saying?  The fact that women could POTENTIALLY be the biggest voting block, and STILL we haven't had 1 female President just goes to show how entrenched patriarchy is.  When women are so completely divided and mentally subordinated where they don't WANT to run for President, they don't WANT to elect a female to be President, etc. that tells you that they have been disenfranchised by culture itself

True feminism doesn't argue that males keep females down (which is what I think you think they believe).  True feminism believes social structures keep females down.  And those social structures include other females keeping females down.  So your points only serve to complete validate my argument not detract them

[raphjd]

@tempbo:

@raphjd The way you endlessly repeat your prejudices as if they were some sort of logical argument is very tiresome - which, naturally, predisposes me to believe that YOU are very tiresome. Police that.

Umm, this is forum spam, since it adds no value to the conversation and is nothing but a personal attack.

Rather than posting personal attacks, try proving me wrong.

[raphjd]

If you stopped all your self hatred cuckery, you would see that women aren't the victims you constantly claim they are.

They don't care about gender representation in the scummy jobs.  They just want it for all the good jobs.

I am glad that you admit that feminism isn't about gender equality, but female special rights.

You'll dislike me for saying this (no doubt dismissing any personal responsibility as you've done this entire time), but basically I can now say you definitely have an entitled, self-centered, victim-oriented, scarcity-based mindset.  You lack basic emotional intelligence and empathetic skills, and the reason why you probably are being "bashed at every turn" probably has nothing to do with being male and everything to do with you being selfish and caustic and everybody is just giving you the same treatment back.

You are so comical, besides being an internet shrink.

By saying that, you have called me a feminist.

Instead of trying to rise to the best version of yourself and make the world a better place, you prefer to sink to the lowest level justifying all kinds of bad behavior by looking at and mirroring all the worst parts of humanity and then positioning yourself as the ultimate wronged victim who now has a license to contribute to the world's wrongs, because you think pointing out somebody worse somehow eliminates your own social responsibilities.

I'm an Egalitarian.  Then again, feminists and their cucks hate non feminists.

You're basically a leech on society, you create problems rather than solve them, you're highly negative and bitter, and basically I bet you kind of hate yourself on some level as there's clearly a lot of projection going on.  I hope life turns around for you, and you become a better version of yourself, because right now you're doing neither yourself or society any favors.  I do believe you've struggled in life and you're angry and frustrated for a reason, but I think your values/intent are completely misguided and your belief/interpretations/perspective completely deluded

LOL, so says the feminist cuck.

That was just to reference a well-known popular source of information (in other words–not some extremist fringe feminist source) for YOUR edification--not mine.

Maybe you should research wikipedia and feminists editing.

Feminists need to invent things that oppress women so they stay relevant.  They don't fight for things outside of the west.  NO, instead they fight to maintain their privilege over men in the west.

Feminists need to pull fire alarms to prevent talks about men specific health issues.  They need to protest and riot to prevent a talk about male specific suicide.  Who's the victim here?  That's right, as a feminist cuck, you will say the women are the victims.

You ignore or dismiss cases where men are clearly at a disadvantage to women, because you feel that women need more special rights and privileges over men, in the guise of gender equality.

[YoungGun]

If you stopped all your self hatred cuckery, you would see that women aren't the victims you constantly claim they are.

You saying that makes me think you completely don't understand my position.

I never claimed that ALL women are victims.  Feminism, racism, etc. in their truest academic forms (although we can agree that the execution of these principles can be done poorly) is about fighting inequality.  It's about dismantling the systems that prevent individual merit from thriving and which reward/hurt social groups based on superficial differences and prejudices based on laziness in drawing clear distinctions essentially.

They don't care about gender representation in the scummy jobs.  They just want it for all the good jobs.

I am glad that you admit that feminism isn't about gender equality, but female special rights.

That's not what I said.  That's how you're interpreting both me and feminism, and it's exactly why I say I don't think you understand the academic argument for feminism.  You're falling into the trap of anti-feminist narratives perverting/misrepresenting/misunderstanding the actual original ideology behind the movement which has always been first and foremost about correcting inequality.

If you consider fighting inequality and balancing our unearned privilege to be a "female special right"…well, that's why bigoted people are called "privileged" and "entitled".  It means you don't genuinely understand, acknowledge, or appreciate the special rights and advantages afforded to those based on superficial social differences.  The point isn't to say that all white/straight/etc. people are ALWAYS better off than their other counterparts.

The point isn't to say that they don't work hard, deserve things, etc.  But the point is to be real and admit that in certain ways, certain social groups have advantages that others don't.  Just like how groups like females and minorities have their own set of advantages.  But let's keep it real and be honest about all of them.  Denying them only pisses off those groups.  If you think you can deny somebody else's experiences and they're just going to buy into lies that oppression, disadvantages, etc. don't actually exist even though they do...well good luck with that approach.

Truths can't be buried forever with lies, delusion, etc.  You may not be willing to acknowledge life's realities, but other people will fight to death over them.  We're better off having empathy, acknowledging the various ways ALL social groups suffer and face injustices, and work together to fight this problems together.  Pitting groups against one another, playing the blame game, etc. neither solves problems and only serves to divide us and create new ones.

I'm an Egalitarian.  Then again, feminists and their cucks hate non feminists.

Denying feminism exists means you're not egalitarian.  It's fine to be passionate about male rights and issues, because they do exist.  But they exist alongside feminist issues too.  Both males and females face their share of inequalities.  Their interests aren't diametrically opposed like you keep seeming to position them.  They're in many ways aligned.  Similar to how Democrats and Republicans SHOULD be working together in theory, but totally aren't due to politics, selfish personal gain, and stupidity.

Maybe you should research wikipedia and feminists editing.

Even if that was feminist editing, the just proves my point.  The definitions used by feminism are a lot different from the definitions used by their haters trying to distort their actual message.

Feminists need to invent things that oppress women so they stay relevant.

You're not a female.  You've never experienced what a female has so how would you know?  I'm not a female, but I've demonstrated the ability to acknowledge the issues that face others.  I have yet to see you fight passionately about the issues that affect social groups other than the ones you have affiliation to.  It shows a lack of objectivity, an inability to empathize with others, and your high degree of egocentricity.

They don't fight for things outside of the west.   NO, instead they fight to maintain their privilege over men in the west.

Isn't that the self-centered Protectionist, privilege-hoarding approach you support given the people you support?    Not that you've shown a propensity for hypocrisy or anything!  ;D

Feminists need to pull fire alarms to prevent talks about men specific health issues.  They need to protest and riot to prevent a talk about male specific suicide.

Source?

Who's the victim here?   That's right, as a feminist cuck, you will say the women are the victims.

Like I said before…it can be both.  It's not 1 or the other.  It's not us vs. them.  That's why I accused you of a certain degree of immaturity and simplemindedness.  You think of complex life issues in such black-and-white ways, that it's makes you delusional

You ignore or dismiss cases where men are clearly at a disadvantage to women, because you feel that women need more special rights and privileges over men, in the guise of gender equality.

I actually haven't.  You've had every opportunity to post links to the issues you rant about.  But this topic came about because you were dismissing feminism.  Bringing in male issues is an entirely different topic.  You thought bringing up male issues was a way to combat feminism, and my point is that's a stupid approach, because the 2 issues aren't against one another.  It just shows the tribal way in which you think

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I never denied feminism exists.  You do realize that I have been talking about it, so obviously I know it exists.  DUH.

You even said that feminism is about (special) rights for women, nothing to do with gender equality.

A man sitting on a subway with hi knees slightly apart (man-spreading) is evil and a feminist issue, but a woman taking up 10 seat with her crap and legs across the seat is a non issue to feminist.

You clearly aren't as clued up as you claim to be.  If you were, you'd know about the issues and incidents I've mentioned.  In the 3rd picture, is Chanty Binx.  The quote is from another event, but the picture is from after they pulled the fire alarm to prevent the men's health talk. YouTube has videos of both incidents I talked about.

LOL, you are such a feminist that you can't even say my position in an honest way.  I believe that EVERYONE SHOULD BE TREATED EQUALLY, hence why I'm an egalitarian and not a feminist.

If, as you keep claiming, that feminism is about gender equality, though you seem to change that a it suits you, then why are women only ever concerned about the good jobs, while ignoring the crap jobs?  Many feminists have advocated for quotas for good jobs, but they are totally silent when it comes to quotas for the bad jobs.

Feminists are silent on the UK's Bench Book and how if tell judges that they MUST be extremely lenient on women in all areas of court proceedings, especially in sentencing.    Feminists are always silent about issues that men are treated unfairly compared to women.

Common men got the vote in exchange for the draft, thank Emmeline Pankhurst for that, amongst other anti-male things like the White Feather.  Women got the vote and 100 years later they still don't have the draft.  Where are feminists on this issue?  According to feminist lies, they'd be out fighting to be part of the draft as well.

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You even said that feminism is about (special) rights for women, nothing to do with gender equality.

Quote please.

You clearly aren't as clued up as you claim to be.

Except I never claimed to be so nope!  Nice try!  I actually stated that obvious truth that we're not all experts at everything and all of us have blindspots and aren't educated on every single issue in the world.

If you were, you'd know about the issues and incidents I've mentioned.  In the 3rd picture, is Chanty Binx.  The quote is from another event, but the picture is from after they pulled the fire alarm to prevent the men's health talk. YouTube has videos of both incidents I talked about.

If you were paying attention to anything I said, you'd know that my position is that I'm not arguing in favor of the perverted or extremist versions of certain movements (whether that be a political party or in this case a social group issue).  So giving me examples of bad feminism doesn't really negate the academic feminist argument or female issues.  Again, your political villainizing tactics are what's being criticized, so continuing to play that same card only serves to highlight your faults.

LOL, you are such a feminist that you can't even say my position in an honest way.   I believe that EVERYONE SHOULD BE TREATED EQUALLY, hence why I'm an egalitarian and not a feminist.

Feminism is pretty much for egalitarianism.  Feminism is in many ways a subset of egalitarianism deconstructing female issues specifically.  However, if you were genuinely for egalitarianism, you wouldn't be mischaracterizing feminism in only its most extreme negative version which is the dishonest or uneducated part of the way you're presenting it.

If, as you keep claiming, that feminism is about gender equality, though you seem to change that a it suits you, then why are women only ever concerned about the good jobs, while ignoring the crap jobs?  Many feminists have advocated for quotas for good jobs, but they are totally silent when it comes to quotas for the bad jobs.

How have I changed that?  Can you elaborate?  Do you have evidentiary support to back up your claims?

Feminists are silent on the UK's Bench Book and how if tell judges that they MUST be extremely lenient on women in all areas of court proceedings, especially in sentencing.    Feminists are always silent about issues that men are treated unfairly compared to women.

Common men got the vote in exchange for the draft, thank Emmeline Pankhurst for that, amongst other anti-male things like the White Feather.   Women got the vote and 100 years later they still don't have the draft.   Where are feminists on this issue?   According to feminist lies, they'd be out fighting to be part of the draft as well.

I'm not British, so I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with what you're talking about.  Regardless, it goes back to execution of a movement =/= the ideals of a movement and/or bad representations of feminism =/= good representations of feminism.

[raphjd]

Go back and reread.  When I said how feminists never fight to bring men up to the same rights/privileges that women enjoy, you said because it was about women, not men.

Since you admit you aren't clued up on the topic, then don't try to tell me about it.    You clearly only know the cuckery of feminism, while ignoring the reality of it.

Your stance on feminism tells me you would hate Christina Hoff Sommers and other like her because she/they aren't of the "everything oppresses women" brand of feminism.   Feminists protest where ever she speaks because they deem her brand of feminism as hate speech because she doesn't buy into all the bullshit of mainstream feminism.

LIAR.  Feminism is only about gaining and/or extending female privilege.  Feminism does nothing about gender representation in jobs, except demand quotas in the good jobs, while totally ignoring the shitty jobs or the jobs where women dominate.   Throughout a number of threads, I have pointed out countless issues that feminists ignore that men face while focusing on issues where women already have privilege.   Feminists created gendered issues against men, like man-spreading, even though both genders do it and the wort examples that feminist can find of men doing it is nothing compared to the worst examples of women doing it.

Feminism is in many ways a subset of egalitarianism deconstructing female issues specifically.

And there you go, you said it again, feminism isn't about gender equality, but rather about women.

You don't have to be British to understand or know about the issues I brought up.   The only thing needed is not to be a feminist cuck to understand that feminists are doing nothing to end those special privileges, because gender equality and all that.