UC Berkeley at it again
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The problem is, the left refuse to do anything other than get violent. They don't want a dialogue. They only want to silence those who disagree with them.
Come on man, play fair. I don't see Nancy Pelosi pulling out her boxing gloves. I get that you don't agree but that statement isn't true. The majority of the protests were completely peaceful and lawful. I don't agree with the violent protests that have been occurring, that's wrong, but suggesting that all liberals refuse to do anything other than get violent is far from stretching the truth.
Milo Yiannopoulos is a troll. He has said it many times. He's not necessarily saying what he says because he believes it, he says it because he knows it riles people up. Personally, when I watch the guy, I just laugh at him. Some of things that come out his mouth are so ridiculous that I can't take him seriously. A migrant homosexual who dates African American men is a major voice in the Alt Right?
Wow, get trolled harder…
BUT, it was liberals that said that if Trump lost, the alt right would riot and do all manner of violence. And here you guys are doing exactly what you said about your opponents.
I noticed that you guys love to cover your faces too. Be proud in what you do.
I've also been seeing liberals justifying the violence by their side.
The DNC is on the verge of being nothing but white haters.
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I don't think he got them all but he likely got most of the fraudulent votes. He did win after all and he did tell us it was rigged.
I think you mean; rigged like the DNC primary so Hillary would win.
I think you mean; rigged like in the mass media ignoring stories that made Hillary and liberals look bad.
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That's not how that works. He could have spoke. He pulled out because he was scared of "liberals" physically attacking him. They didn't prevent him from speaking. I think that's hilarious. I'm sure liberals think it's was a win and I know the alt right people feel that it was proof that liberals want to deny people their rights even thought that isn't what happened. He tries to stir up anger and he got what he wanted.
Then I ask you: If you can't speak your mind because you fear physical retaliation, isn't that too an affront to free speech? So, that's how liberals operate: intimidation in order to prevent free speech from happening in the first place, and hence they are not spitting against free speech…how rich...I bet they feel like some juridic geniouses.
As far as not facing different ideas: Look the Bannon camp is terrified of large groups of Muslims making the US their home. There's plenty of evidence in Europe that this is unpopular or at the very least, disliked. I understand their concerns and realize that the majority of Americans would not want to wake up in a country that expanded it's population by 100 million because 100 million Muslims decided to immigrate. That fear isn't rational and pretending they're all terrorists isn't going to work either. They've also tried to spread lies like "Their values are incompatible with western culture." I didn't realize that not wanting to live in a bad country, wanting a decent job, and wanting to own a home was "incompatible" with their religion.
Muslims aren't an idea, they are a reality. The fear is rational, though not all Muslims are terrorists, that doesn't mean some who actually are won't get mixed with the asylum seekers and enter. More severe screening processes are required. But liberals tend to backlash so intensely, that now they want to allow everyone to enter.
And some of their values are incompatible with western culture. You may let them enter the USA, they get a nice house and a decent work…still they will consider homosexuals an affront to their religion and act accordingly: shunning you or beating you. Pick your poison.
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I don't think he got them all but he likely got most of the fraudulent votes. He did win after all and he did tell us it was rigged.
I think you mean; rigged like the DNC primary so Hillary would win.
I think you mean; rigged like in the mass media ignoring stories that made Hillary and liberals look bad.
I don't understand this whole idea that Hillary didn't get any coverage. She was in the news non-stop for Benghazi, emails, body double, her health issues, etc. It never stopped. You are being brainwashed into believing this.
Conway proved the brainwashing this week when she talked about Bowling Green. Let's say for the sake of argument that she misspoke and she meant to say "Bowling Green Terrorists".
If you listen to her entire statement she is complaining that the media didn't give this any coverage. Well the Bowling Green terrorists were caught and therefore this is an accomplishment for the Obama administration. Why would she complain that positive stories about Obama didn't get media attention?
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Then I ask you: If you can't speak your mind because you fear physical retaliation, isn't that too an affront to free speech? So, that's how liberals operate: intimidation in order to prevent free speech from happening in the first place, and hence they are not spitting against free speech…how rich...I bet they feel like some juridic geniouses.
Did anybody attack him? No. Nobody stopped him from speaking. He chose not to. The army of police outside the building would have kept the protestors out.
He canceled the speech to make an issue about how the protestors were "infringing on his rights to free speech" and made national news because the majority of Americans wants to see him get punched in the face. So a guy from the UK is here to tell Americans what to think? Trump's campaign did this with Nigel Farage as well and it made just about as much little sense. This isn't their country, I have no idea why anybody is listening to them.
Also, I'm not a liberal…
Muslims aren't an idea, they are a reality. The fear is rational, though not all Muslims are terrorists, that doesn't mean some who actually are won't get mixed with the asylum seekers and enter. More severe screening processes are required. But liberals tend to backlash so intensely, that now they want to allow everyone to enter.
And some of their values are incompatible with western culture. You may let them enter the USA, they get a nice house and a decent work…still they will consider homosexuals an affront to their religion and act accordingly: shunning you or beating you. Pick your poison.
Yeah… Uh... Religious groups in the country right now have historically done the same thing. Your point isn't valid. Catholics are far more dangerous then Muslims, or did you miss that history lesson? You either understand what's going on or you drank the cool-aid and believe the Bullshit. Sounds like that latter, since I already explained that's a lie and you're just repeating it like a parrot. You didn't come up with that on your own. When was the last time you remember a Muslim shunning and beating up a homosexual in the US?
I'm not for allowing everybody into the country or against vetting immigrants, but the election is over, it's time people to come back to reality. If you don't want Muslims in the country, admit it, and stop pretending that you are going to somehow be safer. That's a lie.
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Umm, they were smashing up the building Milo was in and setting it on fire to prevent him from speaking.
I guess the girl who got pepper sprayed while speaking to the media wasn't prevented from speaking either, she just chose to stop doing the interview because of a minor thing.
I guess the 2 "nazis" could have left and the fact that they got beated down and were repeated beaten, 1 while unconscious on the ground.
Talk about liberal apologetics.
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BUT, it was liberals that said that if Trump lost, the alt right would riot and do all manner of violence. And here you guys are doing exactly what you said about your opponents.
I noticed that you guys love to cover your faces too. Be proud in what you do.
I've also been seeing liberals justifying the violence by their side.
The DNC is on the verge of being nothing but white haters.
Who is "You guys?" I'm not a liberal as I already stated that in the thread and I'm not out there protesting. I'm not defending them and I'm not going to defend Milo either. The protestors were out of line and Milo could have spoke, rescheduled, whatever.
Umm, they were smashing up the building Milo was in and setting it on fire to prevent him from speaking.
I guess the girl who got pepper sprayed while speaking to the media wasn't prevented from speaking either, she just chose to stop doing the interview because of a minor thing.
I guess the 2 "nazis" could have left and the fact that they got beated down and were repeated beaten, 1 while unconscious on the ground.
Talk about liberal apologetics.
I personally think Milo should go home and worry about his own country, we have enough hypocrisy here. He's not going to because the only thing he cares about is his next book deal… So we have an immigrant teaching people about white privilege... This is absolutely nothing more than a person saying "Look at me I'm gay and I say crazy shit." No change will ever come of this, other than a group of people sticking their necks out and having the majority paint target signs on them.
Also, what world do you live in where anybody who has something to say that you don't like automatically becomes a liberal? From my perspective, you sound like you're part of the problem. There's different groups of people that for the most part, want the same thing, and they have different ideas about how to achieve that. If you want to lash out at "liberals" on a site that is most likely, primarily liberals, I mean that's your choice right? It does absolutely nothing, but you're going to do it anyways...
Trump had a bunch of ideas that seemed like decent ideas to me, but he's hasn't made any progress on any of those ideas yet. I think it would be a great idea for him to do things like : Fixing real problems that don't involve pissing off the majority of the United States.
3.5 Million people have Hep C and the medication to save their lives costs $85,000 to purchase and $100 to produce. It would be cheaper to just buy the company and hand the medication out at cost, which isn't going to happen, and people are going to die.
Methamphetamine and Heroin addiction rates are the highest in US history, building a wall isn't going to stop anything. They manufacture climbing ropes in Mexico...
Just under 1% of the US population is in Prison. That's really working out great…
The deficit should ideally go down and real conservatives usually push hard to, you know, reduce spending… Not Trump though, every single plan I've heard the guy mention involves ballooning the debt... It sounds really weird coming from a "Republican."
It doesn't sound like the ACA is going away but I think there's some changes that would be really beneficial and the Republicans don't sound like they have a plan.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg of problems that under Trump's presidency can be solved or at the very least, progress towards solutions can occur. Yet he's focusing on problems that are effective solutions to preventing attacks from the Boogeyman, in a country where more veterans commit suicide every week than die from Muslim terrorists annually. But, hey, at least mentally ill veterans can buy guns now…
I'm certainly not against who want to band together and make borderline racist comments to draw attention to themselves, you're allowed, it's America. I am certainly against terrible ideas and getting nothing accomplished. Milo making a speech doesn't do anything for America and bitching about the violet protestors on a forum doesn't either.
I don't care if you're alt-right/neo-nazi/federalist/republican/conservative/libertarian/moderate/democrat/liberal/pirate/socialist/green/communist/space-alien-party whatever… Call your reps up and bitch that there are real problems in America and Donald isn't fixing shit, that you're pissed, the things he's doing are not helping anybody, and it's ridiculous.
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I don't think he got them all but he likely got most of the fraudulent votes. He did win after all and he did tell us it was rigged.
I think you mean; rigged like the DNC primary so Hillary would win.
I think you mean; rigged like in the mass media ignoring stories that made Hillary and liberals look bad.
Look, I wanted Bernie to win but the DNC didn't 'rig' the votes. Bernie lost by 3 million voters. Sure the DNC preferred hillary, but the RNC hated Trump and tried everything they could to stop him. This shouldn't be happening but it is.
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The protest started peaceful until anarchists dressed in black started attacking people and being violent. These guys have done so before at UC Berkeley. They don't represent everyone on the left. They spray painted things bad about liberals there too. I dn't even know where anarchism falls on the political spectrum.
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I dn't even know where anarchism falls on the political spectrum.
Technically the left but they're usually against any form of government at all.
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I voted for Donald trump because people like you would elect a socialist to steal my money. Shameful.
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I voted for Donald trump because people like you would elect a socialist to steal my money. Shameful.
is this an ironic shitpost? or are you just THAT ignorant?
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is this an ironic shitpost? or are you just THAT ignorant?
Many people consider Donald's political alignment to be more socialist than conservative. I realize that's not what they were getting at.
Trumponomics will just destroy the value of the US dollar while the Fed prints money at astronomical rates to pay for the tax cuts and promised infrastructure projects.
"Lets see how much we can explode the nation debt in four years" said no legitimate conservative ever…
The likely-hood of that spending plan getting through a Republican congress is basically zero.
Edit: There's also the "reverse robin hood" plan which I'm fairly confident the majority of Americans will really love. "It's like socialism."
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I voted for Donald trump because people like you would elect a socialist to steal my money. Shameful.
That's kind of ironic since Trump rolled back the "fiduciary rule" and now Wall St has permission to steal your money. I never understand people who want to give CEO's more power than politicians. You can vote out a politician. You are powerless against a CEO.
Trump is a failed business man who made a career out of stealing peoples money. He just settled a fraud case with Trump University. Trump has been quoted as saying that people who settles lawsuits are "incompetent". He has also gone to court MANY times because he didn't pay his contractors who built his buildings. He has been a failure at everything he has done in life…...except reality TV star. He was good at that.
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Umm, they were smashing up the building Milo was in and setting it on fire to prevent him from speaking.
I guess the girl who got pepper sprayed while speaking to the media wasn't prevented from speaking either, she just chose to stop doing the interview because of a minor thing.
I guess the 2 "nazis" could have left and the fact that they got beated down and were repeated beaten, 1 while unconscious on the ground.
Talk about liberal apologetics.
(1) The people causing trouble were masked and for all we know they're Milo's or the alt-right's henchmen doing the violence themselves to attempt to discredit peaceful protests from people with legit grievances
(2) Even if the people who caused trouble were leftist protestors, indicting an entire group of people for the bad actions of a few is not intelligent and leads to over-generalizations and stereotyping. You position yourself as a victim of left bashing, but you're contributing to the environment of extreme partisanship ruining our country with group-think rhetoric, confirmation bias, and one-dimensional villainizing behavior. Bad stuff is done by people on the right and the left. We shouldn't lower ourselves down to the level of the unintelligent members of society (on both sides) but hold ourselves to a higher standard of discourse and conflict resolution.
(3) Also, free speech =/= being granted the privilege of being able to speak using a large legitimate platform to legitimize hate speech. Neo-Nazi's have the right to free speech in this country, but this doesn't mean we should be encouraging them to speak at campuses, being given TV spots, etc. either. Milo has the right to speak his mind about whatever he wants to talk about, but UC Berkeley owes him no special backing to troll at an obvious left-leaning campus just like I am not owed any special right to go to any campus I want and talk about my personal beliefs on my politics or random subjects like video games. UC Berkley is a prestigious campus and they talk about serious subjects. They don't owe every joe with an opinion a platform to speak at their campus. He's lucky they allowed him to come at all in the first place. And just as he has the right to free speech, the protestors have the right for theirs, and due to his track record, they assumed he was going to spout alt-right propaganda like usual. Please let's not act like he didn't know exactly what he was doing and then trying to use that for his own political gain.
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and bitching about the violet protestors on a forum doesn't either.
Ok, let's not have forums at all then.
If we don't talk about this stuff, then lots of people will claim (as we've seen) that this stuff doesn't actually exist except in the minds of the alt-right complaining about it on the internet.
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(1) The people causing trouble were masked and for all we know they're Milo's or the alt-right's henchmen doing the violence themselves to attempt to discredit peaceful protests from people with legit grievances
(2) Even if the people who caused trouble were leftist protestors, indicting an entire group of people for the bad actions of a few is not intelligent and leads to over-generalizations and stereotyping. You position yourself as a victim of left bashing, but you're contributing to the environment of extreme partisanship ruining our country with group-think rhetoric, confirmation bias, and one-dimensional villainizing behavior. Bad stuff is done by people on the right and the left. We shouldn't lower ourselves down to the level of the unintelligent members of society (on both sides) but hold ourselves to a higher standard of discourse and conflict resolution.
(3) Also, free speech =/= being granted the privilege of being able to speak using a large legitimate platform to legitimize hate speech. Neo-Nazi's have the right to free speech in this country, but this doesn't mean we should be encouraging them to speak at campuses, being given TV spots, etc. either. Milo has the right to speak his mind about whatever he wants to talk about, but UC Berkeley owes him no special backing to troll at an obvious left-leaning campus just like I am not owed any special right to go to any campus I want and talk about my personal beliefs on my politics or random subjects like video games. UC Berkley is a prestigious campus and they talk about serious subjects. They don't owe every joe with an opinion a platform to speak at their campus. He's lucky they allowed him to come at all in the first place. And just as he has the right to free speech, the protestors have the right for theirs, and due to his track record, they assumed he was going to spout alt-right propaganda like usual. Please let's not act like he didn't know exactly what he was doing and then trying to use that for his own political gain.
1) WOW, just WOW. I see you watched that Professor in CNN make his claims that he "heard" it was people hired by Milo.
- LOL, modern liberals are all about the hive mind and identity politics. The DNC is all about race baiting and hating white people. "My job is to shut other white people down" is how a white candidate running for the Chairmanship of the DNC and all the others candidates loved it. You can find the video on YouTube.
3) You are guilty of what you complained about in #2. You clearly have no idea how it works for speaking at universities. He was "invited" by one of the student groups and that group rented the space for the event.
Yeah, Berkely is a great place, as long as you aren't white. The university allowed non whites to do the "white people go around" thing, but everyone knows it would have been stopped immediately if the races were reversed.
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(1) The people causing trouble were masked and for all we know they're Milo's or the alt-right's henchmen doing the violence themselves to attempt to discredit peaceful protests from people with legit grievances
(2) Even if the people who caused trouble were leftist protestors, indicting an entire group of people for the bad actions of a few is not intelligent and leads to over-generalizations and stereotyping. You position yourself as a victim of left bashing, but you're contributing to the environment of extreme partisanship ruining our country with group-think rhetoric, confirmation bias, and one-dimensional villainizing behavior. Bad stuff is done by people on the right and the left. We shouldn't lower ourselves down to the level of the unintelligent members of society (on both sides) but hold ourselves to a higher standard of discourse and conflict resolution.
(3) Also, free speech =/= being granted the privilege of being able to speak using a large legitimate platform to legitimize hate speech. Neo-Nazi's have the right to free speech in this country, but this doesn't mean we should be encouraging them to speak at campuses, being given TV spots, etc. either. Milo has the right to speak his mind about whatever he wants to talk about, but UC Berkeley owes him no special backing to troll at an obvious left-leaning campus just like I am not owed any special right to go to any campus I want and talk about my personal beliefs on my politics or random subjects like video games. UC Berkley is a prestigious campus and they talk about serious subjects. They don't owe every joe with an opinion a platform to speak at their campus. He's lucky they allowed him to come at all in the first place. And just as he has the right to free speech, the protestors have the right for theirs, and due to his track record, they assumed he was going to spout alt-right propaganda like usual. Please let's not act like he didn't know exactly what he was doing and then trying to use that for his own political gain.
1) WOW, just WOW. I see you watched that Professor in CNN make his claims that he "heard" it was people hired by Milo.
- LOL, modern liberals are all about the hive mind and identity politics. The DNC is all about race baiting and hating white people. "My job is to shut other white people down" is how a white candidate running for the Chairmanship of the DNC and all the others candidates loved it. You can find the video on YouTube.
3) You are guilty of what you complained about in #2. You clearly have no idea how it works for speaking at universities. He was "invited" by one of the student groups and that group rented the space for the event.
Yeah, Berkely is a great place, as long as you aren't white. The university allowed non whites to do the "white people go around" thing, but everyone knows it would have been stopped immediately if the races were reversed.
Can I ask a slightly unrelated question? Are you American?
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(1) The people causing trouble were masked and for all we know they're Milo's or the alt-right's henchmen doing the violence themselves to attempt to discredit peaceful protests from people with legit grievances
(2) Even if the people who caused trouble were leftist protestors, indicting an entire group of people for the bad actions of a few is not intelligent and leads to over-generalizations and stereotyping. You position yourself as a victim of left bashing, but you're contributing to the environment of extreme partisanship ruining our country with group-think rhetoric, confirmation bias, and one-dimensional villainizing behavior. Bad stuff is done by people on the right and the left. We shouldn't lower ourselves down to the level of the unintelligent members of society (on both sides) but hold ourselves to a higher standard of discourse and conflict resolution.
(3) Also, free speech =/= being granted the privilege of being able to speak using a large legitimate platform to legitimize hate speech. Neo-Nazi's have the right to free speech in this country, but this doesn't mean we should be encouraging them to speak at campuses, being given TV spots, etc. either. Milo has the right to speak his mind about whatever he wants to talk about, but UC Berkeley owes him no special backing to troll at an obvious left-leaning campus just like I am not owed any special right to go to any campus I want and talk about my personal beliefs on my politics or random subjects like video games. UC Berkley is a prestigious campus and they talk about serious subjects. They don't owe every joe with an opinion a platform to speak at their campus. He's lucky they allowed him to come at all in the first place. And just as he has the right to free speech, the protestors have the right for theirs, and due to his track record, they assumed he was going to spout alt-right propaganda like usual. Please let's not act like he didn't know exactly what he was doing and then trying to use that for his own political gain.
1) WOW, just WOW. I see you watched that Professor in CNN make his claims that he "heard" it was people hired by Milo.
- LOL, modern liberals are all about the hive mind and identity politics. The DNC is all about race baiting and hating white people. "My job is to shut other white people down" is how a white candidate running for the Chairmanship of the DNC and all the others candidates loved it. You can find the video on YouTube.
3) You are guilty of what you complained about in #2. You clearly have no idea how it works for speaking at universities. He was "invited" by one of the student groups and that group rented the space for the event.
Yeah, Berkely is a great place, as long as you aren't white. The university allowed non whites to do the "white people go around" thing, but everyone knows it would have been stopped immediately if the races were reversed.
(1) No I thought of that possibility myself because it's an obvious tactic used throughout history. I didn't say it's what happened. I'm simply trying to consider all possibilities instead of assuming things which is what all intelligent critical thinking individuals should do. Part of the problem plaguing are country is that people aren't educated and are easily manipulated because there is not vetting of information and way too much sheep-like following.
(2) "LOL, modern liberals are all about the hive mind and identity politics." So you must be a liberal then? Since in your very statement you resorted to "identity politics" by basically saying all "modern liberals" are about the hive mind. Instead of hating on an entire group of people with diverse viewpoints based on a political label, how about actually addressing issues and logical points? So yeah, both sides do it, and you're demonstrating that right now which was my point.
(3) Guilty of what? Does a university HAVE to allow anybody speak at their university if any of its student groups pay somebody to come? Is it okay for a student group to pay for a Nazi or a speech of somebody trying to convince an audience to assassinating somebody?
As for the giant chip on your shoulder about the DNC and Berkeley hating white people…it's just bizarre. I mean apparently you got scarred at some point by a bad experience or you've been programmed by neo-Nazi propaganda to the point that you've lost complete perspective. Does the left take things too far at times? Absolutely. Just like the right. That's why I'm against extremism in general. But categorizing entire groups of people as being of a hive mind and that large groups of people hate white people and are trying to keep them down (including other white people)? You've pretty much jumped the shark on that point.
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(1) The people causing trouble were masked and for all we know they're Milo's or the alt-right's henchmen doing the violence themselves to attempt to discredit peaceful protests from people with legit grievances
(2) Even if the people who caused trouble were leftist protestors, indicting an entire group of people for the bad actions of a few is not intelligent and leads to over-generalizations and stereotyping. You position yourself as a victim of left bashing, but you're contributing to the environment of extreme partisanship ruining our country with group-think rhetoric, confirmation bias, and one-dimensional villainizing behavior. Bad stuff is done by people on the right and the left. We shouldn't lower ourselves down to the level of the unintelligent members of society (on both sides) but hold ourselves to a higher standard of discourse and conflict resolution.
(1) No I thought of that possibility myself because it's an obvious tactic used throughout history. I didn't say it's what happened. I'm simply trying to consider all possibilities instead of assuming things which is what all intelligent critical thinking individuals should do. Part of the problem plaguing are country is that people aren't educated and are easily manipulated because there is not vetting of information and way too much sheep-like following.
(3) Guilty of what? Does a university HAVE to allow anybody speak at their university if any of its student groups pay somebody to come? Is it okay for a student group to pay for a Nazi or a speech of somebody trying to convince an audience to assassinating somebody?
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Even considering that the violent leftists at Berkeley were Milo henchmen is absolutely absurd and has no basis in reality. Radical left terror groups like antifa and anarchists took credit for it, secondly these tactics are straight out of the lefts playbook (Weather underground anyone?). Secondly the "peaceful protest" narrative is a complete myth stirred up by mainstream media in order to minimize how horrible/violent and childish the left really is. Nobody on the left has yet to denounce the violence committed by the protestors. They only say "both sides needs to calm down". I don't recall the last time Conservatives rioted and burned down a city and looted businesses. Remember when one old guy at a Trump rally punched someone and the media kept airing that same clip for days and days on end and saying that ALL Trump supporters were violent? But leftist burn down a city, and they just brush over it and say "not all protesters, most were peaceful"
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"indicting an entire group of people for the bad actions of a few is not intelligent and leads to over-generalizations and stereotyping. "
Wow… Kinda like calling all Conservatives/Trump supporters racist/bigot/homophobes/every other -phobe in the book is nonconstructive and pisses off millions of people.. -
" Does a university HAVE to allow anybody speak at their university if any of its student groups pay somebody to come? "
Yes, that's called FREEDOM of speech. And if you don't want to hear what he has to say then DONT show up to the event. Nobody is forcing you to listen to it. Secondly, you go on to mention NAZIs in the next sentence, which is a very intellectually shallow and dishonest argument and you know it. Care to explain how a gay immigrant Jew who ONLY dates black guys and hates white nationalism is somehow a nazi? (protip you can't explain it because it's not true). But nice job being tolerant leftists and silencing a gay immigrant Jewish guy, Hitler would be proud.
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