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    • royalcrown89R Offline
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      @raphjd:

      @royalcrown89:

      I called you disgusting for the very reason why you ignored what I wrote and just simply ran with "Another black who denies racism against whites exists." You are disgusting because everything in my statement is fact based. Where are your facts? Show me the effects of a system designed for and created by black people in America that has been used to oppress white people in the way white people oppressed black people. Show me the evidence that said system continues to deny white people basic rights and opportunities today. I could have all the white prejudice in my mind (which I don't) and it will mean absolutely nothing at the end of the day because if I act on it there would be real consequences. Simply put, you're disgusting.

      I'm "disgusting" because I don't agree with your SJW dictionary fallacy world view.   You change the definition of words to suit you.   Do I get to change the definition of words I don't like as well or is it racist for whites to do it?

      How are you oppressed with 50 years of Affirmative Action (and quotas for many of those years)  where you get to have lower SAT scores than I do to get into college?   You get extra points on the civil service tests and you get a racial benefit when it comes to military promotions.

      Don't bitch about Jim Crow, when your fellow blacks are screaming to bring it back.

      Don't scream about racism when your fellow blacks are forcing whites to walk through creeks to get to class.

      Don't scream about racism when, as above, black people get away with treating whites in a way that whites can't treat blacks without being arrested and it making world news headlines.

      Don't scream about racism when blacks can tell a US Senator who is running for President to "shut the fuck up" as they did to Bernie Sanders after they bum-rushed the stage to hijack his campaign event.

      Don't scream about racism when blacks shouted "whites to the back" at a political rally, when we know that everyone would lose their minds if the races were reversed.

      Blacks get to do all kinds of racist shit with impunity because if they get called on it, they scream racism.

      My SAT combined verbal and math score was 1540 in Spring 2007 and 1580 in Fall 2007 and my GPA was a 3.9 (not a 4.0+, I know). I was first accepted into Clemson University but later transferred to the University of South Carolina, later graduating from there magna cum laude in 2012. You're right, I probably did benefit from affirmative action because many of my white friends from high school got into both Clemson and UofSC with way lower SAT scores and GPAs than I had and although I had at least four black friends who had SAT scores and GPAs either similar or greater than mine, they were denied acceptance into either of those schools. Myself and one other black student that I barely knew were the only two blacks from our high school graduating class to get into Clemson or UofSC that year while nearly 20 of our white counterparts got in. Only 3 of those white students graduated with honors–-they put the asterisk beside your name in the graduation booklet if you graduate with honors---from our high school like me and the other black student, meaning the others got into the universities with less academic performance and lower SAT scores than me or the other black student. Like I said, I was friends with some of those white students and knew they had SAT scores much lower than mine.

      I limited myself going to both the universities because I could've gone outside of the state with as many MERIT-BASED scholarships and grants that I had, but I chose those schools because I'm not only proud to be black but I'm also proud to be an American from the South and proud to be a South Carolinian, no matter what racial barriers I've had to face in my life. Nothing will change the pride I have for my country or for the state I was born and raised in by my parents. I love this country and I am grateful for the educational opportunities I received; however, I am conscious to the fact that millions are denied those opportunities and had it not been for affirmative action, another white student with a lower SAT score and GPA than mine would've been accepted over me and the one other black student.

      I have the right to criticize FACTUAL RACISM and call for an end to it. However, I refuse to further reply to someone irrational and in denial of historical and current facts.

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      • gaypraha2G Offline
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        I dont have much to say but I approve 200% everything raphjd said. I guess most of us europeans have clearly a different view on the matter. and seriously the first post stating that " there is no white culture"..feel sick just reading that kind of crap 🙂 That's all I'll say on the matter, seems to be a waste of time to argue with some  ;D

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          Just because your individual SAT scores were high, does not change the fact that blacks get into college with lower SAT scores than whites, under Affirmative Action.

          See, there you go again with your SJW conspiracy theories.   You need to show proof that if it wasn't for AA, that a white student with lower scores than you would have gotten your place in college.   You say you post factual stuff, but I see nothing.

          LOL, I'm "irrational" and "in denial",  yet you are posting SJW conspiracy theories and working that dictionary fallacy.  Let's not forget how you beat those strawmen you created.

          You know is even funnier, your ilk talk about helping POCs, while screwing Asians (formerly "Orientals") the worst under AA because they have to get the highest scores to get into college.  They have a 50 point premium over whites, 235 point premium over hispanics and 300 point premium over blacks.

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            snjsale
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            @raphjd:

            @adidasinfurs:

            well it didn't take long for this to get thoroughly and unambiguously racist…...

            but oh....wait, wait, any time anyone wants to talk about "white pride", all they do is spend an inordinate amount of time bitching about black people and really barely talking about what's so great about being white.....which is why white nationalism is racism....shit, how could i have forgotten....

            So, you think that black pride is good, but white pride is evil.  Gotcha.

            Now tell us how you support equality.

            PS:  You reported me to me for being racist, for one of my earlier posts.   If talking about things that blacks have done is racist, then wouldn't it be racist to talk about when whites have done?    Do you not see how hypocritical you are being?

            Err but don't white people already have so much to be proud of?

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            • royalcrown89R Offline
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              The last thing I'll say on this topic is some of you need to learn what false equivalence means. If I bring up slavery or Jim Crow and the effects those two still have on black life in today's world and your response is "two black people booed Bernie Sanders off stage," then you are comparing a man being booed to the effects of hundreds of years of constant degradation of an entire population of people by another population of people who had more rights than the population being degraded. Slavery and the Jim Crow era were very, very complex. You had freed black people buying and selling slaves sometimes to reunite families torn apart and sometimes for malicious reasons; Native Americans involved with the capturing of runaway slaves in order to keep parts of the land stolen from them; and many other complicated instances involved; therefore, you cannot compare slavery or Jim Crow to someone's hurt feelings. You simply cannot compare hurt feelings to the literal death and second-class treatment of an entire population of people that has had long-lasting effects on said population of people. That is what I have been calling disgusting, and it is disgusting. You can only equivocate mass discrimination, mass murder and the degradation of a people to mass discrimination, mass murder and the degradation of another population of people. If you have nothing to equivocate that with, then what exactly is the point of your argument? Is it to deflect and try to end important discussions that we need to have?

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              • raphjdR Offline
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                @snjsale:

                @raphjd:

                @adidasinfurs:

                well it didn't take long for this to get thoroughly and unambiguously racist…...

                but oh....wait, wait, any time anyone wants to talk about "white pride", all they do is spend an inordinate amount of time bitching about black people and really barely talking about what's so great about being white.....which is why white nationalism is racism....shit, how could i have forgotten....

                So, you think that black pride is good, but white pride is evil.  Gotcha.

                Now tell us how you support equality.

                PS:  You reported me to me for being racist, for one of my earlier posts.   If talking about things that blacks have done is racist, then wouldn't it be racist to talk about when whites have done?    Do you not see how hypocritical you are being?

                Err but don't white people already have so much to be proud of?

                White people are not allowed to be proud of anything or they are racist.

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                • raphjdR Offline
                  raphjd Forum Administrator
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                  @royalcrown89:

                  The last thing I'll say on this topic is some of you need to learn what false equivalence means. If I bring up slavery or Jim Crow and the effects those two still have on black life in today's world and your response is "two black people booed Bernie Sanders off stage," then you are comparing a man being booed to the effects of hundreds of years of constant degradation of an entire population of people by another population of people who had more rights than the population being degraded. Slavery and the Jim Crow era were very, very complex. You had freed black people buying and selling slaves sometimes to reunite families torn apart and sometimes for malicious reasons; Native Americans involved with the capturing of runaway slaves in order to keep parts of the land stolen from them; and many other complicated instances involved; therefore, you cannot compare slavery or Jim Crow to someone's hurt feelings. You simply cannot compare hurt feelings to the literal death and second-class treatment of an entire population of people that has had long-lasting effects on said population of people. That is what I have been calling disgusting, and it is disgusting. You can only equivocate mass discrimination, mass murder and the degradation of a people to mass discrimination, mass murder and the degradation of another population of people. If you have nothing to equivocate that with, then what exactly is the point of your argument? Is it to deflect and try to end important discussions that we need to have?

                  LOL, you just don't get it do you?!

                  Blacks have the privilege to tell Bernie Sanders to "shut the fuck up" and demand that he pander to their whims, without fear of reprisal because if they got into trouble, it would be a racist issue.  Bernie is a jew, look it up.

                  Blacks have the privilege of doing many things that would get whites arrested if the races where reversed, like forcing white students to walk through a creek to go to class.

                  The rest of your post is a bunch of racial studies apologetics bullshit.

                  You are not interested in any discussion, you are only interested in forcing your racist SJW version of reality on everyone.

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                    snjsale
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                    @raphjd:

                    @snjsale:

                    @raphjd:

                    @adidasinfurs:

                    well it didn't take long for this to get thoroughly and unambiguously racist…...

                    but oh....wait, wait, any time anyone wants to talk about "white pride", all they do is spend an inordinate amount of time bitching about black people and really barely talking about what's so great about being white.....which is why white nationalism is racism....shit, how could i have forgotten....

                    So, you think that black pride is good, but white pride is evil.  Gotcha.

                    Now tell us how you support equality.

                    PS:  You reported me to me for being racist, for one of my earlier posts.   If talking about things that blacks have done is racist, then wouldn't it be racist to talk about when whites have done?    Do you not see how hypocritical you are being?

                    Err but don't white people already have so much to be proud of?

                    White people are not allowed to be proud of anything or they are racist.

                    Haha oh my wasn't expecting that answer. There are too many things white people can be proud of and should be proud of. But when it comes to white people celebrating 'white pride' like 'black pride' well… i think it's kinda unfair...

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                      @raphjd:

                      @alibix:

                      @raphjd:

                      So blacks who don't have a family history of being a slave are hate mongers if they claim black pride.

                      Slavery in Africa and the middle east existed long before white people got there and kept going even to this day despite it being illegal in white countries.

                      Africans played an active part in the slave trade.

                      There were black slave owners in North America and Europe.

                      I'm talking about black pride in America. Black people who came from africa as slaves to America which is most black people in the USA.

                      Umm, there were black slave owners in the US.    The earliest recorded black slave owners in now what is the US dates back to 1654, though historians say they existed before that.  According to the US Census of 1830, there were 3,775 black slave owners.   The slave owners were black.

                      Anthony Johnson, a former indentured servant, was among the very first slave owners in what is now the US.  He fought in court to retain ownership of his indentured servants when their servitude ended and won.

                      Native Americans owned African slaves, as well.

                      So slavery wasn't a white only thing.

                      Did I say it was? This is whatbaoutism on a new fucking level.

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                        alibix
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                        @gaypraha2:

                        I dont have much to say but I approve 200% everything raphjd said. I guess most of us europeans have clearly a different view on the matter. and seriously the first post stating that " there is no white culture"..feel sick just reading that kind of crap 🙂 That's all I'll say on the matter, seems to be a waste of time to argue with some  ;D

                        what country are you from in Europe? Why can't it be English pride, Italian pride, Greek pride etc etc. Why white pride?

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                          alibix
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                          @raphjd:

                          @royalcrown89:

                          The last thing I'll say on this topic is some of you need to learn what false equivalence means. If I bring up slavery or Jim Crow and the effects those two still have on black life in today's world and your response is "two black people booed Bernie Sanders off stage," then you are comparing a man being booed to the effects of hundreds of years of constant degradation of an entire population of people by another population of people who had more rights than the population being degraded. Slavery and the Jim Crow era were very, very complex. You had freed black people buying and selling slaves sometimes to reunite families torn apart and sometimes for malicious reasons; Native Americans involved with the capturing of runaway slaves in order to keep parts of the land stolen from them; and many other complicated instances involved; therefore, you cannot compare slavery or Jim Crow to someone's hurt feelings. You simply cannot compare hurt feelings to the literal death and second-class treatment of an entire population of people that has had long-lasting effects on said population of people. That is what I have been calling disgusting, and it is disgusting. You can only equivocate mass discrimination, mass murder and the degradation of a people to mass discrimination, mass murder and the degradation of another population of people. If you have nothing to equivocate that with, then what exactly is the point of your argument? Is it to deflect and try to end important discussions that we need to have?

                          LOL, you just don't get it do you?!

                          Blacks have the privilege to tell Bernie Sanders to "shut the fuck up" and demand that he pander to their whims, without fear of reprisal because if they got into trouble, it would be a racist issue.   Bernie is a jew, look it up.

                          Blacks have the privilege of doing many things that would get whites arrested if the races where reversed, like forcing white students to walk through a creek to go to class.

                          The rest of your post is a bunch of racial studies apologetics bullshit.

                          You are not interested in any discussion, you are only interested in forcing your racist SJW version of reality on everyone.

                          You are comparing a protest to Sanders and a one off student protest in a University (which white people participated in) to fucking Jim Crow and Black supremacy?

                          What the fuck man?

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                          • raphjdR Offline
                            raphjd Forum Administrator
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                            @alibix:

                            @raphjd:

                            LOL, you just don't get it do you?!

                            Blacks have the privilege to tell Bernie Sanders to "shut the fuck up" and demand that he pander to their whims, without fear of reprisal because if they got into trouble, it would be a racist issue.   Bernie is a jew, look it up.

                            Blacks have the privilege of doing many things that would get whites arrested if the races where reversed, like forcing white students to walk through a creek to go to class.

                            The rest of your post is a bunch of racial studies apologetics bullshit.

                            You are not interested in any discussion, you are only interested in forcing your racist SJW version of reality on everyone.

                            You are comparing a protest to Sanders and a one off student protest in a University (which white people participated in) to fucking Jim Crow and Black supremacy?

                            What the fuck man?

                            They aren't one-offs and if you paid attention you would know that.  Blacks have been hijacking everything in sight and demanding that everyone pander to them.    They know they can get away with it because no one wants to punish them because it would then become an anti-black racist thing.

                            You are blind.  It's black people who are now demanding we bring back Jim Crow.

                            Black Supremacy has always been around and it's ok for people to be black supremacists.

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                              alibix
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                              @raphjd:

                              @alibix:

                              @raphjd:

                              LOL, you just don't get it do you?!

                              Blacks have the privilege to tell Bernie Sanders to "shut the fuck up" and demand that he pander to their whims, without fear of reprisal because if they got into trouble, it would be a racist issue.   Bernie is a jew, look it up.

                              Blacks have the privilege of doing many things that would get whites arrested if the races where reversed, like forcing white students to walk through a creek to go to class.

                              The rest of your post is a bunch of racial studies apologetics bullshit.

                              You are not interested in any discussion, you are only interested in forcing your racist SJW version of reality on everyone.

                              You are comparing a protest to Sanders and a one off student protest in a University (which white people participated in) to fucking Jim Crow and Black supremacy?

                              What the fuck man?

                              They aren't one-offs and if you paid attention you would know that.  Blacks have been hijacking everything in sight and demanding that everyone pander to them.    They know they can get away with it because no one wants to punish them because it would then become an anti-black racist thing.

                              You are blind.  It's black people who are now demanding we bring back Jim Crow.

                              Black Supremacy has always been around and it's ok for people to be black supremacists.

                              Jesus.

                              Student protest = Jim Crow

                              I'm sorry man. Clearly nothing is going to change you and you are going to see the world in the only way you want to see it.

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                              • royalcrown89R Offline
                                royalcrown89
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                                @alibix:

                                @raphjd:

                                @alibix:

                                @raphjd:

                                LOL, you just don't get it do you?!

                                Blacks have the privilege to tell Bernie Sanders to "shut the fuck up" and demand that he pander to their whims, without fear of reprisal because if they got into trouble, it would be a racist issue.   Bernie is a jew, look it up.

                                Blacks have the privilege of doing many things that would get whites arrested if the races where reversed, like forcing white students to walk through a creek to go to class.

                                The rest of your post is a bunch of racial studies apologetics bullshit.

                                You are not interested in any discussion, you are only interested in forcing your racist SJW version of reality on everyone.

                                You are comparing a protest to Sanders and a one off student protest in a University (which white people participated in) to fucking Jim Crow and Black supremacy?

                                What the fuck man?

                                They aren't one-offs and if you paid attention you would know that.  Blacks have been hijacking everything in sight and demanding that everyone pander to them.    They know they can get away with it because no one wants to punish them because it would then become an anti-black racist thing.

                                You are blind.  It's black people who are now demanding we bring back Jim Crow.

                                Black Supremacy has always been around and it's ok for people to be black supremacists.

                                Jesus.

                                Student protest = Jim Crow

                                I'm sorry man. Clearly nothing is going to change you and you are going to see the world in the only way you want to see it.

                                That's exactly what I said. What he is doing is attempting to erase the atrocities that have taken place historically and currently against black people in America. He's completely disregarding what we know to be true by falsely equivocating damning acts of brutality and the ramifications of those acts with students (black and white by the way) protesting Bernie Sanders. That is so disgusting and harmful to do. You cannot equate someone's hurt feelings to years of oppression against a set of people sanctioned by the very land we all call home. It's very disappointing and the saddest part is he doesn't even realize he's doing it. You can't attempt to erase the heritage (good and bad) of a people and expect to win an argument based off of that attempt at erasure.

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                                  what country are you from in Europe? Why can't it be English pride, Italian pride, Greek pride etc etc. Why white pride?

                                  Why NOT white pride? I have ancestors from England, Ireland, Germany, and some that I can't trace. So if I say English pride, that's a microaggression and a trigger for the Irish part, and it's on like Belfast back in the 70s. Then when Oktoberfest comes around and I say German pride, the English part feels discriminated against and needs to find a safe space. On top of that I'm not being inclusive to the part I don't know about, and since I don't want it to feel marginalized I got all of them together and decided on white pride.

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                                    alibix
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                                    @dozerbear1:

                                    what country are you from in Europe? Why can't it be English pride, Italian pride, Greek pride etc etc. Why white pride?

                                    Why NOT white pride? I have ancestors from England, Ireland, Germany, and some that I can't trace. So if I say English pride, that's a microaggression and a trigger for the Irish part, and it's on like Belfast back in the 70s. Then when Oktoberfest comes around and I say German pride, the English part feels discriminated against and needs to find a safe space. On top of that I'm not being inclusive to the part I don't know about, and since I don't want it to feel marginalized I got all of them together and decided on white pride.

                                    Nobody's saying that but you bud. You can be proud of all those countries…
                                    They're culture is very different though, which makes 'white pride' kind of weird.

                                    Plus the people who use 'white pride' are usually racist cunts because there is a stigma to white pride (coming from history obviously).

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                                      @alibix:

                                      @raphjd:

                                      @alibix:

                                      @raphjd:

                                      LOL, you just don't get it do you?!

                                      Blacks have the privilege to tell Bernie Sanders to "shut the fuck up" and demand that he pander to their whims, without fear of reprisal because if they got into trouble, it would be a racist issue.   Bernie is a jew, look it up.

                                      Blacks have the privilege of doing many things that would get whites arrested if the races where reversed, like forcing white students to walk through a creek to go to class.

                                      The rest of your post is a bunch of racial studies apologetics bullshit.

                                      You are not interested in any discussion, you are only interested in forcing your racist SJW version of reality on everyone.

                                      You are comparing a protest to Sanders and a one off student protest in a University (which white people participated in) to fucking Jim Crow and Black supremacy?

                                      What the fuck man?

                                      They aren't one-offs and if you paid attention you would know that.  Blacks have been hijacking everything in sight and demanding that everyone pander to them.    They know they can get away with it because no one wants to punish them because it would then become an anti-black racist thing.

                                      You are blind.  It's black people who are now demanding we bring back Jim Crow.

                                      Black Supremacy has always been around and it's ok for people to be black supremacists.

                                      Jesus.

                                      Student protest = Jim Crow

                                      I'm sorry man. Clearly nothing is going to change you and you are going to see the world in the only way you want to see it.

                                      Clearly dishonesty is a personality trait for you.

                                      Black students demanding racial segregation = Jim Crow.

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                                        @alibix:

                                        @dozerbear1:

                                        what country are you from in Europe? Why can't it be English pride, Italian pride, Greek pride etc etc. Why white pride?

                                        Why NOT white pride? I have ancestors from England, Ireland, Germany, and some that I can't trace. So if I say English pride, that's a microaggression and a trigger for the Irish part, and it's on like Belfast back in the 70s. Then when Oktoberfest comes around and I say German pride, the English part feels discriminated against and needs to find a safe space. On top of that I'm not being inclusive to the part I don't know about, and since I don't want it to feel marginalized I got all of them together and decided on white pride.

                                        Nobody's saying that but you bud. You can be proud of all those countries…
                                        They're culture is very different though, which makes 'white pride' kind of weird.

                                        Plus the people who use 'white pride' are usually racist cunts because there is a stigma to white pride (coming from history obviously).

                                        Using the logic about black pride the SJWs here are spewing, white pride is equally valid since white America has it's own culture.

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                                          Nagamaki
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                                          What is an example of white American culture?

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                                          • raphjdR Offline
                                            raphjd Forum Administrator
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                                            What isn't?

                                            White American culture is a mix of many coultures.

                                            It's like black American culture.

                                            American culture is mutt culture, regardless of race.

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