Seed Bonus Whores!

Popper

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So rather than tell people that they can't/shouldn't beg, just say they if they want to request bonus points, then the “beggars’ bonus records is made transparent to all--so that the donor can see what the requesters behavior has been. Bonus point privacy is waived if you want to ask for them. This would differentiate the needy from the whore.

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That could be the answer, members will think twice before asking for seed bonus points IMHO

Guest

It would be great if we could see stats of seed bonus point requesters. That way i would l know if they really needed the sbp before I give them to them.

fresnopup

Since I have a steady flow of bonus points accruing I like the idea of giving points every time I click to download something. I know if I had more time and expertise I could probably give back to the network more than I do. Giving points is an easy thing to do and I can avoid feeling useless.
Are there any reasons why one would not want to do so? My question is: how do you know how many to give. So far the only "rule of thumb" I can think of is - don't exhaust them. That way you can keep giving them.

PS I'm on the sidelines most of the time but I do enjoy the community here.

fresnopup

cumeaternc

@fresnopup:

…how do you know how many to give...

You are not required to give any seed bonus points but here is a little guide I came up with if you do and want to keep it "fair".

http://community.gaytor.rent/index.php?topic=8445.0

martini20

@brandonboi:

It would be great if we could see stats of seed bonus point requesters. That way i would l know if they really needed the sbp before I give them to them.

I agree. It would be very useful to see all of a user's seed bonus data even if their profile is set to 'security settings doesn't allow to show you the Profile!'

That way, a more informed choice on whether or not you want to give seed bonus points, can be made

mgr

@martini20:

It would be very useful to see all of a user's seed bonus data even if their profile is set to 'security settings doesn't allow to show you the Profile!'

That way, a more informed choice on whether or not you want to give seed bonus points, can be made

and

@brandonboi:

It would be great if we could see stats of seed bonus point requesters. That way i would l know if they really needed the sbp before I give them to them.

Now I'm really puzzled, did you never visit our forum? (of course you did ) The information about a poster in the forum says everything you asked for (like my example of this thread) :

Posts: 1,785
Topics: 302
Ratio: 3.605
Uploaded: 4.48 TB
Downloaded: 1.24 TB
SeedBonus: 4825.125
Avg ULSpeed: Ø43.74 kB

OK - if a user does not post in the forum this information is not available - but for me this is a help in deciding about giving SBP as well.

And to address the next question (about anonymous uploaders) right now: I value this mode of staying anonymous (secure profile for power users) higher than the question about help for deciding if (and when yes how many) SBP to give - not taking in account that this is a feature for power users with a ratio > 1.05. They usually do not need SBP - but of course you can give SBP to them too - based only of the torrent's worth for you (that was our first goal why we implemented the thank you method with SBP).

cumeaternc

So basically if you can't see an uploaders profile he is a power user and doesn't need any "help".

Why not set a guideline then that power users(or higher) cannot ask for sbp?

To me it's like a millionaire asking me to borrow 100 dollars. $:-\$

JakeC

I voted for "NO! Nobody likes a beggar."
My connection isnt fast, but I can hold ratio on 1, so it can also all users. People want all for nothing, but it isnt philosophy of P2P. Seed bonus is just reward for fair sharing and for upload, when users send points to uploader. All begging for points should be punished (for example -5 points).

mgr

@JakeC:

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All begging for points should be punished (for example -5 points).

Sorry for my LOL - you wanna give our moderators even more work? I do not want to make fun of your suggestion, but please think about who has to work on it (and the one who has to program such a solution).

JakeC

Feel free to laugh if you want. This is only my idea and view. Me is one, if you want to do something with this situation. I ignore all seed points request. Im just surprised, what this users do on trackers, when they dont know what P2P is. If them dont like, let download from share servers (f.e. rapidshare). Im on several trackers, who isnt seed bonus and users have no problem. Also Im on trackers, who is seed bonus sophisticated, and also no problem.

martini20

@mgr:

Now I'm really puzzled, did you never visit our forum? (of course you did ) The information about a poster in the forum says everything you asked for (like my example of this thread) :

Posts: 1,785
Topics: 302
Ratio: 3.605
Uploaded: 4.48 TB
Downloaded: 1.24 TB
SeedBonus: 4825.125
Avg ULSpeed: Ø43.74 kB

OK - if a user does not post in the forum this information is not available

In my reply I wasn't meaning the stats in the forum post. When I download a file I will go back to the torrent page and usually rate the content. I’ll click on the uploader’s name and have a look at their stats, and give a thanks and SBP accordingly.

As for the privacy part, I’m not sure what benefit that gives someone on here, apart from not letting others see what they have uploaded or are seeding. I find it useful looking at what other videos someone may have when I find something I like. Fair enough, there may be valid reasons why someone would want to keep there uploads/seeding files private, but I can’t think of a reasons why anyone would want to hide their upload/download and seed bonus details.

edit: quote tags

beercan

then you're way more merciful than me i only give bonus for uploads that i like. or if i feel like an angel that day (which is rare)
any requests i see that appears outside of the comments section immediately forfeits the my appreciation or spirit of giving (depending on the trigger)
and i probably don't care if he's a whore as long as i like the upload. if he doesn't need the points and he's also a giver he'll redirect my points to a more needy personnel :hug2:

and i usually seed the downloads i like so i'm comparably better than some of the incarnations of scrooge.
(pray that my hdd doesn't decide to crash on me)

my guess would be if you can't see his details you wouldn't give him points. (that's probably what I would do if I were checking his details)

p/s: getting closer to ratio 1

cumeaternc

I am having an ongoing conversation with a member now who puts seed bonus comments in his torrent descriptions(at the top and in all caps sometimes $:-\$ ). He honestly believes we are all to stupid to give SBP because we want to. In his opinion if he doesn't ask for them, then we won't give them to him.

I for one am the exact opposite. I give SBPs to every torrent I download. If they ask for SBPs they get an automatic 1SBP no matter how much I like the torrent.

bluehue

No matter what, seed bonuses are charity. Like hobos on the street corner, i don't just give spare change or a smoke to just anyone. Egregious begging is counter-productive. I'm less inclined to give bonus for CAPS-ON begging. When it comes down to it though is that great uploads deserve good charity. I'm delighted to know that my compilation has earned 326 points to date. That being said, the bonuses do encourage me to upload more new torrents. In fact, if bonuses didn't exist, I'm not sure I would have uploaded anything new. I used to have my complaints about the system and still think there should be some sort of bonus for forum activity, but on a whole I think it's a pretty effective program.

I also think it would be cool if one could gamble with their seed points.

Kinsey6

I'm in a particularly generous space tonight. Gifting bluehue 50 SBP's on his first of many uploads here because I value his input. Thank you, brother.

uwsguy102

For what it's worth, I see both sides of the issue- no one likes to feel pressured into giving a 'tip', but people who upload the files offer a valuable part of the site. HOWEVER–-- people who don't upload are still needed. If you had a P2P site where nobody could join unless they uploaded files, you would have a much smaller pool of activity. It's a very symbiotic relationship. So I think it would be nice if seed bonus could be shared with anyone, not just uploaders. BUT... I do realize that any change like that requires work, so I totally understand why it hasn't been implemented.

My biggest issue is the lack of 'Thank You'- regardless of giving SBP or not. If someone can click the 'download' button, they can surely click the 'Thank You' button as well. It may seem petty, but when I see a torrent of mine has been snatched 300 times and only 4 or 5 people have said "Thanks" it makes me feel kind of unappreciated.

farkme

@uwsguy102:

For what it's worth, I see both sides of the issue- no one likes to feel pressured into giving a 'tip', but people who upload the files offer a valuable part of the site. HOWEVER–-- people who don't upload are still needed. If you had a P2P site where nobody could join unless they uploaded files, you would have a much smaller pool of activity. It's a very symbiotic relationship. So I think it would be nice if seed bonus could be shared with anyone, not just uploaders. BUT... I do realize that any change like that requires work, so I totally understand why it hasn't been implemented.

My biggest issue is the lack of 'Thank You'- regardless of giving SBP or not. If someone can click the 'download' button, they can surely click the 'Thank You' button as well. It may seem petty, but when I see a torrent of mine has been snatched 300 times and only 4 or 5 people have said "Thanks" it makes me feel kind of unappreciated.

yea i know that feeling … i always click thank you if i liked the torrent after watching it.

MrMazda

@TwjT3NEc:

Seed Bonus greatly appreciated! Especially for guys with lame internet like me!!

If your internet is really that "lame", what are you doing on a torrent site in the first place? I don't mean to sound offensive, but I fail to understand how you could expect "high performance results" from say for example a 14.4k dial-up modem (assuming you haven't taken the jump to the big ole 56.6k lol)

fancydude

Wow, talking about mentally going through the spin cycle! My first thought was the poll should have had the "no" choice in the middle to be "objective" since the opening post is pretty convincingly leading the reader in that direction.

My second thought was as long as the 'begging' isn't in capitals AND on the post twice, I don't really mind the person asking, since it is still my choice. Sometimes after scouring the search page and looking at a couple dozen before making a selection, it may slip my mind to give seed bonus. So the request serves as a reminder.

Then I read the statistics and my mind changed again. UNBELIEVABLE - someone could get 21,000 FREE seedpoints and only give 921? Stingy and simultaneously greedy come to mind, how could it not?

But then I wondered - how much are they uploading? It must be an awful lot to GET that many points, right? So maybe overall, they are making a lot of titles available to members that we wouldn't otherwise get to see? I'd like to see some stats on how many titles and GB's the people with that many seedpoints have uploaded.

This is a minor point, but the "Thank you button" was mentioned once (or more?) Mixed feelings again. Shall I click it each time even before I see the movie? I have a very slow connection, so if I wait to see the movie, I will almost certainly forget to go back and thank the person. Or am I thanking the person simply for uploading? (for me at least, the overwhelming majority of the time, the torrent I'm uploading is something I have no prior knowledge about, I'm just basing my choice on the description and photos on GT)

Not that this will ever happen, but lets just say everyone who downloads it clicks the thankyou button. What does saying thank you mean then if everyone does it every time? Actually, I need to figure out which torrent on Utorrent corresponds to which on listing on GT, because when I click on General properties, (on utorrent) the "http://tracker.gaytor.rent/2650 etc." is not the address for the torrent. And the title listed on Utorrent usually isn't enough of the title to search on GT. So I would say thank you more for the movies I've seen anyway if I knew how to find the original torrent. Utorrent will not let you rename it either. Well, it will but then you can't download because then the tracker doesn't correspond or something like that. Thank to whomever can answer this.

Gr1zz

FancyDude, here's a suggestion for your failing memory…

If you take a look at your own profile (just click on your name in the line below the menu, the one that starts "Welcome back, "), you will find a list of the last 50 torrents that you finished, and any that you have active, along with any that you uploaded.

It should be fairly easy to match the names with a choice from that list that will let you add thanks, comments, or even bonus points.

Personally, three changes I'd like are a way of going back more than 50 items, the ability to sort it based on seeders/leechers (so it would be easy to see where more seeding would be helpful), and the ability to donate more than 50 points in one shot. I'm planning on offering 1000 points for a request of the Jack Radcliffe collection (and an extra 1000 if they are in DVD format), but right now, it would take a long time to do it.