The science behind homosexuality
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" Si les gens peuvent changer ce qu'ils n'aiment pas génétiquement chez eux c'est normal que les gens ne puissent accepter que tout ne va pas comme ils le souhaitent dans la vie de tous les jours".
Désolé petit mélange dans la concordance des temps entre le français et l'anglais! Sorry :afraid2:
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Si les gens veulent changer génétiquement quelque chose, je pense que c'est bien. Tout le monde a le droit de changer quoi qu'ils veuillent. Peut-être il y a des gays qui veulent devenir straight. Il y aura toujours les gens (spécialement avec ceux qui ont du fric) qui veulent les interventions chirurgicales, les adaptations génétiques pour s'améliorer. Pendant le futur proche, j'imagine un monde divisé par les très riche, très beau, super-intelligentes généralement avancées et les normales comme le roman de Brave New World ou le movie Gattaca. Ceux qui échouent à accepter les façons du monde, iront se retrouver expulsé par la reste de la société. La technologie est merveilleuse. Il n'y a aucun problème avec ça.
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The fact that you're having no problem with the exclusion of the poor/ugly/weak/… kinda scares me. Why would we want to change anything about us when we could simply accept how we are and wouldn't need to spend the rest of ours lives in therapy?
I mean, seriously, why people can't just accept the way they're?
I'm ok with science and progress but there's no need to play god. Let's things go their ways, just use science and technology to heal and cure not to create the perfect of you that, excuse me, would be boring. Perfection is boring. Being all alike is boring.
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Perfection can never be achieved, it is the journey there for which you should strive.
You never stay the same. You either get better or you get worse.
Jon Gruden
I prefer to get better than to get worse.
If you choose not to use all available resources to your advantage, does not mean that other will not; thus, increasing disparity not just among the rich and the poor, but also by pedigree. Many authors have written about this as a possible outcome.
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Very interesting, thanks for sharing this.
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A "cure" is not for soon, plus I suspect that nature and evolutions adapted our Dna so that it might be corrupted in order to promote diversity and adaptation, actually we do adopt orphans, we do not reproduce(?) therefor help mantain the balance of population to enviromnent ratio, we mostly make a communication bridge between sexes issues, and if the reason of existence of humankind is to artificialize itself we are responsible for great inventions… I think the before mentioned science for the rich paradigm is real but dystopic, thankfully there is a diverse spectrum of beauty and not enough resources to maintain such world, again and again diversity (green blue hazel brown eyes, blond to red to black hair, races and so on... adaptation people), some have trouble with that and want uniformity and want control... in an extreme case they might develop a psychiatric dysfunction. The human being is not designed for uniformity, we cannot survive in that enviromnent we'd start doubting our identity, the reality in which we'd be and the time lapse... we see colours, we live in a light changes with the day planet, and in which every single plant animal and stone is similar but not absolutely equal, and when everything is too much we look for a different enviromnent... That speacks enough.
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Your post is trying to cover too many things at once. Could you please expound upon the ideas a little more?
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The only thing on which we can call ourselves equals is being a human being. Even between two same family members we can a find a lot of differencies, the same goes for same species, religions,… . Trying to build a society based on perfection isn't possible. Perfection is subjectif. We don't all aspire to the same things therefor we can't all want to be the same thing or have the same thing.
Plus the Science has its limit or we would already all be immortal or immune to any disease. We aren't. I really believe that Science isn't supposed to rule our lives but just help those who need it. And by need i don't mean changing your eyes colors because you prefer green over brown but need in a sense of real necessity : vital!
Accepting what/who we are is part of our normal psychological development if you can't accept it you need help. First to really understand why and if you need any change... Secondly because changing yourself, even in "an improved version", can cause serious damages to your psyche.I totally agree with myrea and I, too, think that we aren't created to be uniform. People are meant to evolve and this evolution is based on differents things for each and everyone of us. It's only logical that, through time, we became all differents from each other.
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This might add nothing to the theme but yes… if you have time and money to spend on science, find a HIV cure already...
not how to perfect someone butt implants, common sense, urgency and a notion of priority ;D. And yes I know this is related to mapping the brain and dna and that will help a lot of medical related deseases, but yes...Now... I do not believe in a notion of perfection, i think that is plural and according to the culture you are in... the journey to there is a fun one too, and we are getting a bit uniformized due to mix races couples, but most likely even those will adapt eventually to change and have differing cultural notions of what is beauty. Hence embrace diverse change because it's on tomorrows menu.
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How is the notion of perfection "plural"? :angel2: :pope:
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How is the notion of perfection "plural"? :angel2: :pope:
Because it's an abstract concept prone to personal defenition, we as humans are biased by our existence in a society or enviromnent… and mostly is that biased view that presents us the perception of perfection... even if one argue the scientifical aproach that humans are naturally affectionated towards symetry, someone might point than that is only our biological drive choosing a good partner for survival. We are fundamentally stuck to our existence to reach a total defenition of most complex abstract concepts. :cheers: (Example: we can overall think that perfect is when everything is well done, however that is not perfection, since well done changes in personal perspectives according to personal criteria, so the singular universal perception is never of perfection per se but of a proxy)
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See Plato and the Forms. Perfection exists in an absolute sense, i.e., the perfect circle r^2 = x^2 + y^2. The perfect circle can never be drawn but it does indeed exist.
We call both the sky and blue jeans by the same color, blue. However, clearly a pair of jeans and the sky are not the same color; moreover, the wavelengths of light reflected by the sky at every location and all the millions of blue jeans in every state of fading constantly change, and yet we somehow have a consensus of the basic form Blueness as it applies to them. Says Plato.
But if the very nature of knowledge changes, at the time when the change occurs there will be no knowledge, and, according to this view, there will be no one to know and nothing to be known: but if that which knows and that which is known exist ever, and the beautiful and the good and every other thing also exist, then I do not think that they can resemble a process of flux, as we were just now supposing.
No one has ever seen a perfect circle, nor a perfectly straight line, yet everyone knows what a circle and a straight line are. Plato utilizes the tool-maker's blueprint as evidence that Forms are real.
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But people aren't just forms! We are so many others things!
And the Plato's theory is kinda lame in a way… Perfect circle according to who?
I mean, i can present you a perfect chair. It will be perfect to me cause it would answer everything i want from a chair but to you it can be ridiculous or ugly...Perfection is based on perception. Which is interpreted by the brain. Therefor, it can't be only one perception of the perfection since all brains doesn't work/apprehend things the same way. Even on the forms basis.
Ex : For some people their brains can't understand form and as much as they're genuine when things are in 2D they get lost and confused in 3D. They could look at the "perfect" cube and still find it disturbing or even, in the worst cases, can't understand how it differs from a square...
Plus, if i wanted to be of bad faith... Perfection means literraly "what is achieved totally". The word wasn't meant to describe a tangible thing nor a human being.
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But people aren't just forms! We are so many others things!
And the Plato's theory is kinda lame in a way… Perfect circle according to who?
That is not an empirical argument by the way. At least contribute something thoughtful. Using the word "lame" without actually scientifcally refuting something is "lame". :cheerup: :angel2:
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You are using a simple abstract concept not a complex one, the circle and straight line or vector is only a proxy of perfection, an example, it does not define the totality of it… that is why it's philosophy and not science, and you prove me right by giving exemples since you need plural examples to try to reach it, further and this is non related, a straight line cannot exist in our dimensional universe (iconic idealism right there)
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That is not an empirical argument by the way. At least contribute something thoughtful. Using the word "lame" without actually scientifcally refuting something is "lame". :cheerup: :angel2:
A theory that can't be demonstrated and told as one of the greatest law of universe when it's just up to the way someone saw it it's LAME
Btw, even Plato himself said that this "perfect" circle can be achieved only in our mind. In reality close enough is good enough. Basically the perfect circle theory means you can dream about perfection, see it in your mind but in the reality you will never achieved it.
Perhaps trying to achieve perfection is a way of non accepting what you don't like about yourself. It may seem reassuring to believe Science can/will be able to change you the way you want it but accepting that a human being can't be perfect and must assume and live with his defaults is also part of growing up. It's also an important part of therapy 'cause not being able to accept what/who you are shows some psychological troubles.
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because that's the way i was made?
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That is not an empirical argument by the way. At least contribute something thoughtful. Using the word "lame" without actually scientifcally refuting something is "lame". :cheerup: :angel2:
A theory that can't be demonstrated and told as one of the greatest law of universe when it's just up to the way someone saw it it's LAME
Btw, even Plato himself said that this "perfect" circle can be achieved only in our mind. In reality close enough is good enough. Basically the perfect circle theory means you can dream about perfection, see it in your mind but in the reality you will never achieved it.
Perhaps trying to achieve perfection is a way of non accepting what you don't like about yourself. It may seem reassuring to believe Science can/will be able to change you the way you want it but accepting that a human being can't be perfect and must assume and live with his defaults is also part of growing up. It's also an important part of therapy 'cause not being able to accept what/who you are shows some psychological troubles.
Those who do not embrace technological marvels, will be left behind by them.
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Those who do not embrace technological marvels, will be left behind by them.
Well I prefer to be left behind then to start thinking the way you do. Such reasoning is part of what is wrong in our century!
You can put your belief in Science if you want but others can believe what they want without being "threaten" to be left behind or worse (like you kinda insinuated in an older post).
The more I read you the more your reasoning makes me think you are a somehow Hitler and just that seems wrong to me…
I think you've real problems... The kind that needs a therapist. And if I were you, i'd go see one soon.
From now on i'll simply ignore your post since it's impossible to debate with you. I wish you a good year and a good life and I really hope you get some help.
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It is not an insinuated threat, it is a simple fact. Currently, older people who have shunned technology have paid for it because they may have been passed over for promotions and the like. Society will move forward with or without you. The world stops for no man. It is not that technology is inherently good or bad, unless you make it so. If you choose to shun technology, then that is your prerogative. That does not mean other will choose to do the same. People used to think that in vitro fertilization is playing God, now it is common place. Why do you think some adults are taking these "remedial" computer classes such as how to use Excel and Word? It is not because they really want to. It is because they need to do so in order to survive in the workplace. I reiterate, those who do not embrace it, will be left behind by it because it is an ever increasing part of society.
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