Those who do not embrace technological marvels, will be left behind by them.

Well I prefer to be left behind then to start thinking the way you do. Such reasoning is part of what is wrong in our century!

You can put your belief in Science if you want but others can believe what they want without being "threaten" to be left behind or worse (like you kinda insinuated in an older post).

The more I read you the more your reasoning makes me think you are a somehow Hitler and just that seems wrong to me…

I think you've real problems... The kind that needs a therapist. And if I were you, i'd go see one soon.

From now on i'll simply ignore your post since it's impossible to debate with you. I wish you a good year and a good life and I really hope you get some help.

That is not an empirical argument by the way.  At least contribute something thoughtful.  Using the word "lame" without actually scientifcally refuting something is "lame".  :cheerup: :angel2:

A theory that can't be demonstrated and told as one of the greatest law of universe when it's just up to the way someone saw it it's LAME 

Btw, even Plato himself said that this "perfect" circle can be achieved only in our mind. In reality close enough is good enough. Basically the perfect circle theory means you can dream about perfection, see it in your mind but in the reality you will never achieved it.

Perhaps trying to achieve perfection is a way of non accepting what you don't like about yourself. It may seem reassuring to believe Science can/will be able to change you the way you want it but accepting that a human being can't be perfect and must assume and live with his defaults is also part of growing up. It's also an important part of therapy 'cause not being able to accept what/who you are shows some psychological troubles.

Those who do not embrace technological marvels, will be left behind by them.

A theory that can't be demonstrated and told as one of the greatest law of universe when it's just up to the way someone saw it it's LAME 

Btw, even Plato himself said that this "perfect" circle can be achieved only in our mind. In reality close enough is good enough. Basically the perfect circle theory means you can dream about perfection, see it in your mind but in the reality you will never achieved it.

Perhaps trying to achieve perfection is a way of non accepting what you don't like about yourself. It may seem reassuring to believe Science can/will be able to change you the way you want it but accepting that a human being can't be perfect and must assume and live with his defaults is also part of growing up. It's also an important part of therapy 'cause not being able to accept what/who you are shows some psychological troubles.

But people aren't just forms! We are so many others things!

And the Plato's theory is kinda lame in a way… Perfect circle according to who?

That is not an empirical argument by the way.  At least contribute something thoughtful.  Using the word "lame" without actually scientifcally refuting something is "lame".  :cheerup: :angel2:

And the Plato's theory is kinda lame in a way… Perfect circle according to who?
I mean, i can present you a perfect chair. It will be perfect to me cause it would answer everything i want from a chair but to you it can be ridiculous or ugly...

Perfection is based on perception. Which is interpreted by the brain. Therefor, it can't be only one perception of the perfection since all brains doesn't work/apprehend things the same way. Even on the forms basis.

Ex : For some people their brains can't understand form and as much as they're genuine when things are in 2D they get lost and confused in 3D. They could look at the "perfect" cube and still find it disturbing or even, in the worst cases, can't understand how it differs from a square...

Plus, if i wanted to be of bad faith... Perfection means literraly "what is achieved totally". The word wasn't meant to describe a tangible thing nor a human being.

We call both the sky and blue jeans by the same color, blue. However, clearly a pair of jeans and the sky are not the same color; moreover, the wavelengths of light reflected by the sky at every location and all the millions of blue jeans in every state of fading constantly change, and yet we somehow have a consensus of the basic form Blueness as it applies to them. Says Plato.

But if the very nature of knowledge changes, at the time when the change occurs there will be no knowledge, and, according to this view, there will be no one to know and nothing to be known: but if that which knows and that which is known exist ever, and the beautiful and the good and every other thing also exist, then I do not think that they can resemble a process of flux, as we were just now supposing.

No one has ever seen a perfect circle, nor a perfectly straight line, yet everyone knows what a circle and a straight line are. Plato utilizes the tool-maker's blueprint as evidence that Forms are real.

How is the notion of perfection "plural"?  :angel2: :pope:

Because it's an abstract concept prone to personal defenition, we as humans are biased by our existence in a society or enviromnent… and mostly is that biased view that presents us the perception of perfection... even if one argue the scientifical aproach that humans are naturally affectionated towards symetry, someone might point than that is only our biological drive choosing a good partner for survival. We are fundamentally stuck to our existence to reach a total defenition of most complex abstract concepts.  :cheers: (Example: we can overall think that perfect is when everything is well done, however that is not perfection, since well done changes in personal perspectives according to personal criteria, so the singular universal perception is never of perfection per se but of a proxy)

Now... I do not believe in a notion of perfection, i think that is plural and according to the culture you are in... the journey to there is a fun one too,  and we are getting a bit uniformized due to mix races couples, but most likely even those will adapt eventually to change and have differing cultural notions of what is beauty. Hence embrace diverse change because it's on tomorrows menu.

I totally agree with myrea and I, too, think that we aren't created to be uniform. People are meant to evolve and this evolution is based on differents things for each and everyone of us. It's only logical that, through time, we became all differents from each other.

You never stay the same. You either get better or you get worse.

Jon Gruden

I prefer to get better than to get worse.

If you choose not to use all available resources to your advantage, does not mean that other will not; thus, increasing disparity not just among the rich and the poor, but also by pedigree.  Many authors have written about this as a possible outcome.

I mean, seriously, why people can't just accept the way they're?

I'm ok with science and progress but there's no need to play god. Let's things go their ways, just use science and technology to heal and cure not to create the perfect of you that, excuse me, would be boring. Perfection is boring. Being all alike is boring.

Désolé petit mélange dans la concordance des temps entre le français et l'anglais! Sorry  :afraid2:

And that's maybe the real reason why everything is so bad in our century… HUH If people can even changed what they genetically don't like about themselves it's normal people can't accept that things don't go their way in the everyday life.  not grammatically correct or at least it is very difficult to follow. Instead of accepting what/who/how we are we constantly search a way to change it, no wonder people need therapy.  Please rewrite

And, i'm repeating myself, if we keep on searching a reason (genetics, social environment, …) for being gay people will keep on believing it ain't normal, that's something we need to change and/or "cure" and our conditions won't evolve neither will do people's beliefs...

Plus, the more people turns to science to explain "how can they be gay" the more it gets ridiculous... Now having a big brother can make you gay? What's next? Leaving in a special neighborhood would too? Or new Mcdo's ads "don't let children eat cucumber, they'll turn queer, make them eat burgers"...

Scientifics should focus on curing diseases and find ways to live longer instead of finding solutions to what isn't a problem.

Religions and narrow-minded people are sufficiently hating and harrassing us, we don't need science to put water on the fire 

Would you mind possibly rewriting the whole thing in your native language.  I can speak Spanish, French, Japanese and Swedish.

And, i'm repeating myself, if we keep on searching a reason (genetics, social environment, ...) for being gay people will keep on believing it ain't normal, that's something we need to change and/or "cure" and our conditions won't evolve neither will do people's beliefs...

Plus, the more people turns to science to explain "how can they be gay" the more it gets ridiculous... Now having a big brother can make you gay? What's next? Leaving in a special neighborhood would too? Or new Mcdo's ads "don't let children eat cucumber, they'll turn queer, make them eat burgers"...

Scientifics should focus on curing diseases and find ways to live longer instead of finding solutions to what isn't a problem.

Religions and narrow-minded people are sufficiently hating and harrassing us, we don't need science to put water on the fire