Rationator 3.0 Torrent Download Permissions

spacecowboy

Cheers Popper thanks for sorting this

Popper

The thanks belong to the developers, I am just the messenger…

Riddler

Here is the 2nd rationator formula for personal download limits (with EXAMPLE):

(1) Amount of download determines minimum ratio requirements (if DL = 380 GB –---- minimum ratio requirement = 0.6, allowing for 11 downloads/day), plus

(2) Amount of ratio above the minimum ratio requirement (Actual Ratio = 1.3 ------- subtract minimum from actual ratio = 0.7; then multiply by the amount of downloads per day of your minimum ratio requirement ---- 11 downloads/day * 0.7 = 7.7, round up = 8 additional downloads/day), plus

(3) Number of total uploads (# uploaded torrents = 23, which increases download limit on a 1:1, so 23 additional downloads/day)

TOTAL (Personal Download Limit Per Day) = 11 + 8 + 23 = 42 downloads

MAXIMUM DOWNLOAD LIMIT PER DAY = 50

I would encourage users to consider the many issues faced by the website staff, such as cheaters and seed hogs (seedbox users) that reduce fairness for ALL users on the site. Changes and modification aren't made arbitrarily and typically have good reason/s behind it. The site always listens to feedback to improve. Constructive commenting is always welcome. Whining to whine is never helpful. New developments always requires testing and revision. We appreciate everyone's patience and support as we try to work out a balance between all issues and factors in running the site.

Riddler

Refer to response here:

https://community.gaytor.rent/index.php?topic=20541.msg95768#msg95768

bitmania

I think these changes are quite reasonable, particularly with the second update of factoring in your share ratio. I may be alone here but downloading more than 25 torrents a day seems exorbitant. And with the formula its not hard to get to that limit.

Also I wanted to know what happened to the most wanted/popular torrents section? Sometimes I would intentionally download crap I wasn't into to help increase my uploaded GB.

cannonmc

I know I'm dumb but this makes me feel even dumber. I haven't a clue what all that arithmetic is about.

I'm not even sure whether people are talking about downloading the tiny torrent file or sharing the torrent behind it.

And if there are 'good reasons' behind any site changes, why not share them with us….please :cry2:

Riddler

@bitmania:

I think these changes are quite reasonable, particularly with the second update of factoring in your share ratio. I may be alone here but downloading more than 25 torrents a day seems exorbitant. And with the formula its not hard to get to that limit.

Surprisingly, several individuals have expressed concern about no longer being able to download 100 torrents a day. WHAT?. . . HOW?. . . WHY. . does someone need to download 100 torrents a day? I think maybe they go for weeks without looking over torrents and then want to do it all at once. Hoarding issues maybe? Just don't know. ;D

@cannonmc:

I know I'm dumb but this makes me feel even dumber. I haven't a clue what all that arithmetic is about.
I'm not even sure whether people are talking about downloading the tiny torrent file or sharing the torrent behind it.
And if there are 'good reasons' behind any site changes, why not share them with us….please :cry2:

A major factor has been hit and runs. An individual opens a new account, downloads as much as possible without uploading/seeding and then dumps the account after it becomes locked from low ratio. This is not fair to other members who take care of their ratio.

Now, this is no longer possible. With this change, if someone wants to do some major downloading, they can only do so after showing good membership behavior over time. However, if someone wants to quickly change their daily download limit, they can rapidly do so by first doing some uploading, which permanently increases the number of downloads per day. It's the fairest way to address the issue, not interfere with good members ability to enjoy the site and to prevent individuals who want to cheat by doing hit and runs.

Popper

Hit and run account opening / closing is an issue to open sign-up. Having control on that behaviour will allow for more open sign-up periods, something which is intended to be the future.

In addition this system will give yet another reason to upload own torrents. Currently there are too few uploader of own torrents.

I can understand if some members will find the system to restraining. In that case, they should think if **Gay-Torrents.**net with open sign-up and no minimum ratio requirements isn't the better site for them.

Personally I keep membership on all major English board language torrent sites.

BTW: Does anybody know a Spanish gay torrent tracker?

Speedmaster8

@cannonmc:

I know I'm dumb but this makes me feel even dumber. I haven't a clue what all that arithmetic is about.

I'm not even sure whether people are talking about downloading the tiny torrent file or sharing the torrent behind it.

And if there are 'good reasons' behind any site changes, why not share them with us….please :cry2:

I would like as well re-question if the "new" system is based on the downloaded torrents-files ( *.torrent ), or does it include the download time from the files behind the torrents as well? I think I'll never reach the max. allowed ones anyway, but it might be interesting for other users.

Besides the strange way of calculation, do you really think, that you are going to change the way, "hit and run" - users act? Due to fact that you wrote, that you plan to do more open sign-in periods, the cheaters and hit-and-run - users will return, but I don't assume that their behaviour change, only because you are implementing a more complicated way of haunting. As well this doesn't increase the numbers of uploads, because cheaters and hit-and-run users won't become uploaders, just because their accounts got disabled or restricted.
On the other hand, your regulary users get frustrated and irritated because of the whole lot in controlling their up- and download behaviour and especially in times, where the world press discuss "prism" and "tempura" or other surveillance systems around the world, your users will in fact look for other tracker - possibilities, because they are fed up with restrictions and surveillance! :afr2:

I am on no other gay torrent - site and I even didn't look for another tracker, as GTru was temporary closed, but I really think, that you should stop your haunting-efforts at this point. The "normal" rationator is sufficient and if there still had been some cheaters or some hit-and-run - users - so what? They are not as regular as the "normal" users and we all know, that there are some black sheeps between the white ones.

Riddler

@Speedmaster8:

I would like as well re-question if the "new" system is based on the downloaded torrents-files ( *.torrent ), or does it include the download time from the files behind the torrents as well? I think I'll never reach the max. allowed ones anyway, but it might be interesting for other users.

Besides the strange way of calculation, do you really think, that you are going to change the way, "hit and run" - users act? Due to fact that you wrote, that you plan to do more open sign-in periods, the cheaters and hit-and-run - users will return, but I don't assume that their behaviour change, only because you are implementing a more complicated way of haunting. As well this doesn't increase the numbers of uploads, because cheaters and hit-and-run users won't become uploaders, just because their accounts got disabled or restricted.

On the other hand, your regulary users get frustrated and irritated because of the whole lot in controlling their up- and download behaviour and especially in times, where the world press discuss "prism" and "tempura" or other surveillance systems around the world, your users will in fact look for other tracker - possibilities, because they are fed up with restrictions and surveillance! :afr2:

I am on no other gay torrent - site and I even didn't look for another tracker, as GTru was temporary closed, but I really think, that you should stop your haunting-efforts at this point. The "normal" rationator is sufficient and if there still had been some cheaters or some hit-and-run - users - so what? They are not as regular as the "normal" users and we all know, that there are some black sheeps between the white ones.

Daily download limit = # completed downloaded files –----- it has nothing to do with the ".torrent" file or download time.

The new system integrates upload and download requirements that other sites are likely to follow. The method has already proven itself to the staff in just a matter of days, as the hit and runners are being caught in larger numbers with minimal downloading having occurred. It's actually very effective. Fortunately or unfortunately site users don't see all the issues that staff and admin have to contend, but no one benefits and everyone loses from hits and runs except for cheaters.

If a hit and runner can no longer cheat easily, they will be forced to make one of 2 decisions. Join as a good member or leave GTRU alone. This is a win-win scenario, except maybe not so good for individuals who want to continue cheating. Since modification #2 we have had ZERO complaints by regular users. And there are future modifications that may occur to the benefit of regular users with additional testing. The "normal" rationator was insufficient and why it was necessary to develop a more sophisticated fairness system.

blacklov

@GOALLYEAH:

I HATE “daily download limit” rule
and I REALLY Can't see the benefits of doing so

Hi all,

Same here, I really HATE this useless, for me, new rule. Why ?
Sometimes I can't check GT site during some weeks (holidays, work travel, etc…), when I go back I had and love to review all torrents which have been posted since my last checking time.
However, I can easily have 50+ torrent to retrieve for the day and put in queue, and this new, annoying (sorry to be rude), rule, I can't do that anymore, I have to wait 24h only to continue to catch up all missed torrents and during this time, even more torrent are added... see the point ?

In normal time, this rule would not be a problem, and I DO understand staff problem about cheaters but in this special case for normal user, that's especially BORING !
Why normal user should pay also for cheaters ?

Sorry and again, I really hate this new restriction, please remove it or adjust it !

Best Regards,

Riddler

@blacklov - consider uploading your own new torrents – it will double your ability to download to a max of 50 a day. :cheers:

Otherwise I'm sure you'll find a simple way to adjust your schedule to accommodate, yes? C'mon. . . it's not so difficult. Have faith in yourself.

blacklov

@Riddler

Thanks for advice, yes, I will consider to upload my own torrents but it's pretty hard to find fresh and interesting stuff, content is so huge here ! :cheesy2:
Since I'm not totally sure to understand how it is calculated, could you tell me how many torrents I will need to publish to max my autorized download please ?

@Riddler:

Otherwise I'm sure you'll find a simple way to adjust your schedule to accommodate, yes? C'mon. . . it's not so difficult. Have faith in yourself.

LOL, sure, this is not the end of the world, after all, this is only porn and will try to find a new "rythm" and/or way but, honestly, I would have prefered not to be limited as before, it was so much more convenient my friend :hug2:

Riddler

@blacklov

Your current download limit is 26 torrents/day. If you improve your ratio, additional torrents will become possible, a little at a time as your ratio grows higher above your minimum ratio requirement of 0.8. However, the fastest way to increase the limit is to upload. For each upload, you get a permanent increase in your download limit by one. So to max out at 50 torrents/day, upload 24 torrents.

Blah1234

I think this has come up already, and I won't get too long winded as I'll put my trust in the promise that the staff will evaluate and tweak as concerns come in, however…

I'm being punished because I don't visit and download a bit every day, when I prefer to visit about once a week and get a bunch at once. I recognize that you have cheaters and seed-hogs and other issues you need to crack down on, but there has got to be some kind of better solution to this that does not punish users like me

Popper

The Baseline permissions have been adjusted, following the feedback from long-time good members. They felt to be too much limited by them, which is not the intention of the Rationator 3.0 system.

This concerns members which built an account over time, having more than 50 GB downloaded. The changes in detail:

< 100 GB + 2
< 250 GB + 3
< 375 GB + 4
< 500 GB + 5
< 600 GB + 5
< 700 GB + 4
< 800 GB + 3

Here an illustration:

Baseline 1 are the previous, Baseline are the new values.

The starting curve remains unchanged. This is to slow down new hit and run accounts created during open signup. We had seen new users downloading hundreds of gigabytes during the 3 days grace time just after account creation. Rationator 3.0 makes that more difficult (but not impossible). We are not looking for such "power leecher" members, but for members who care, share and stay.

Rationator 3.0a.JPG

junior

Iptorrents ~~also~~ is tracking hit and runs, ~~were not the only ones~~. They show up on your Iptorrents profile which you are only allowed so many (i believe) You can however make those hit and runs disappear by using your seed bonus or your upload credit, either way you have to pay for hit and runs :police:

Joker

hit + run: since seeding doesn't seem to be a problem here i thought to not catch those..

Speedmaster8

Nice decision to "adjust" the new system a bit. Thank you! :hug2:

meliliou

@junior:

Iptorrents ~~also~~ is tracking hit and runs, ~~were not the only ones~~. They show up on your Iptorrents profile which you are only allowed so many (i believe) You can however make those hit and runs disappear by using your seed bonus or your upload credit, either way you have to pay for hit and runs :police:

Where can we view this web page on our profile? I can't find it. I haven't seed a definition of 'hit and run' so I would like to see what the page says so I can act accordingly