Airline cuts All Black gay kiss scene
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I'm surprised the Owen Honors/Navy thing hasn't shown up here. I personally have mixed feelings. On one hand, I get the side, even within the Gay community that says "lighten up." On the other I totally understand, and so should you Mr. Martini - that Gays are the last group which can be ignored. Most companies wouldn't dare be sexist or racist, or ageist, (or be anti Jewish/Christian etc.) but routinely "fag" or "that's so Gay" is tossed around like sugar and lemon at a tea party. Look at that Ron Howard movie that is coming out!
And women ARE still used in a very sexist way, all the time. Who is in the beer commercials? Half naked women. Go get some car parts - or any other primarily male thing - the calendars from the suppliers ALWAYS have half naked women on them. Sports Illustrated still has a swimsuit issue - women, no men! As if there are no Gay athletes (gosh I could hardly type that without laughing) or Gay auto mechanics! And just for good measure, I wasn't trying to offend you Mr. Martini - just show my support for Raphjd. Cheers!
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Not offended in the slightiest. I wouldn't disagree with you over women being clearly used as commodities by men.
Not sure if there was a thread on the Owen Honors story, but someone uploaded the clips as torrent and I commented on that saying "You have to wonder if, at any point, he thought … this may be a bad idea " which, in my opinion, perfectly juxtaposes the two stories. In one you have a senior officer in the US Navy plus everyone else who was involved, who obviously saw no potential reprecussions in their 'moral boosting videos'. In the other you have an airline being ultra cautious over dire claims of suicide risks.
I would slightly disagree when you said that most companies wouldn't dare be ageist. Obviously it depends on the company and how well the laws (if any) on ageism are policed. Through a previous job I've been involved in the many complaints about older employees being marginalised and in some cases forced out their job. (Again, in my opinion) ageism in the workplace lags behind many other -isms, but uniquely it will affect everyone eventually regardless of gender, race, sexuality or disability.
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to quote a favorite book of mine: Until people learn to laugh at themselves, their lives will be miserable. At least, that's the way they'll see it.
I would say people in general need to lighten up hehehe
Honestly, i don't think people would commit suicide for a scripted video. i disagree with the so-called university professor. what does he teach? Quantum Physics?
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It's true that all groups need to lighten up.
However, it seems that the world demands that gays lighten up while everyone else refuses to do the same. And for this very reason I won't give stereotype because people will scream that I'll a racist and whatnot.
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The airline's operations and safety manager David Morgan said it had not anticipated the scene being viewed as distasteful or causing concern."
Thats funny, Air New Zealand officials said the exact same thing about Mt. Erebus on one of their flights to Antarctica.
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Yup, let's not mention the groups that EVERYONE knows but won't talk about.
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It's true that all groups need to lighten up.
However, it seems that the world demands that gays lighten up while everyone else refuses to do the same. And for this very reason I won't give stereotype because people will scream that I'll a racist and whatnot.
The world wasn't. It was a GAY flight attendant who said that just like gay people in this forum have said that. Have you seen Air NZ's safety videos? They are funny (except the one with John Travolta), homoerotic, and very original. Remember, this is the airline that had transgendered flight attendants long before Thai Air decided to.
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Agree. But i still think that there are gays who take life far too seriously. Come on, committing suicide over an advertisement?
But on the other hand, there are people of all shapes, sexual orientations, and races who take life far too seriously, so don't take my comments as anti-gay, okay?
I think that Censorship depends on whether it makes Censor (sense or) not. (i love this "punning")
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Would it have been better if the rugby player teasingly requested the peck on the cheek, and
the attendant looked away coyly?I first looked at it (always with a gay eye) thinking, {nervously, yet gayly waving hands} "No you can't kiss me … [because my boyfriend is sitting in the seat next to me …]
Personal note: All airline safety videos should be this light-hearted as it would put those who are
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Let's look at the "you need to lighten up" concept outside this single issue.
A Police woman just won a a bunch of money here in Scotland because here supervisor was routinely making homophobic remarks to/about her. She kept complaining about his constant barrage of nasty comments and every time she was told to "lighten up, he doesn't mean anything by it".
Imagine if she were black or jewish or muslim or some other group. No one would dare tell her to "lighten up, he doesn't mean anything by it". The supervisor would have been fired immediately.
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in that context, i would call what the supervisor did "bullying" or "harassment"
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I agree, it is harassment and bullying.
However, as I pointed out, if he had made similar sorts of comments about any other group, he would have gotten in trouble immediately.
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i hate double-standards.
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Let's look at the "you need to lighten up" concept outside this single issue.
A Police woman just won a a bunch of money here in Scotland because here supervisor was routinely making homophobic remarks to/about her. She kept complaining about his constant barrage of nasty comments and every time she was told to "lighten up, he doesn't mean anything by it".
Imagine if she were black or jewish or muslim or some other group. No one would dare tell her to "lighten up, he doesn't mean anything by it". The supervisor would have been fired immediately.
That's comparing apples to oranges. The portrayal of a gay employee who does not get cussed out, beat up or killed simply for being gay is actually a positive not a negative. Sure, we all would have liked to see the rugby player kiss the flight attendant but it was a step in the right direction.
As far as the professor's comments: "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach" seems to apply. The man is an idiot. In fact, the more I think about it, pulling the video suggests that there is something wrong with being gay.
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agree with most of it. But i still think that bullying and harassment, no matter for what reason (gay, black, jewish, or muslim) should be dealt with, immediately.
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That's the problem, it's not acceptable to treat other group like crap, but treating gays like crap is perfectly acceptable.
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