Horrifying fact about transGENDER people

PedrocaWest

@raphjd I’m gonna be honest: what you talk is going all over the place.

First of all, I don’t know who Benji Butterworth is, nor do I live in the UK or follow British media personalities. I don’t know those cases or names you’ve mentioned, and honestly, it doesn’t help your argument, it just sounds like you’re trying to stack isolated stories to support a broader narrative against trans people and "liberals."

But let’s bring this back: we were talking about trans people, right?
About how some bad individuals might exploit a system, and how that doesn’t justify treating the entire group with suspicion or hostility. That’s where we started.

Now you're stretching it to include immigrants, Muslims, free speech laws, child protection laws, and basically blaming everything on "liberals." That's a pattern I’ve seen a lot, and I don’t think it helps the conversation. When someone says, “Here’s a problem we could work together to fix,” the response should not be, “Yeah, and it’s all because your side is evil.”

Let’s talk about law loopholes.
If there are real gaps, like someone abusing gender identity laws to manipulate the prison system, those should be addressed. That's what democratic societies do. We adjust, improve, and create safeguards.

And actually, in Scotland and other places, reforms have already been made. In 2023, the UK government blocked the Scottish Gender Reform Bill over concerns about safeguards. It’s being debated, legally challenged, reviewed, exactly how a functioning system is supposed to deal with complex policies.

That’s how a healthy society works:
Left and right debate the best path forward, but ideally, they still agree on the goal: public safety, justice, fairness, and protecting minorities without compromising the rights of the majority.

But when we throw out that shared goal, and just treat the other side like they’re evil by default, nothing moves forward. Just more hate, fear, and division.

You also seem to be jumping between totally different types of issues, crime, religion, social media laws, sentencing policies, as if they’re all somehow proof that trans people, or “liberals,” are the root of all problems. That’s a logical fallacy called a hasty generalization. It’s not an argument, it’s just pattern-seeking dressed up as truth.

The fact is that people abuse laws in every society, that’s not exclusive to liberals, conservatives, immigrants, or any one group and that the right response is legal reform, not scapegoating.

Blaming all trans people for what a handful of manipulative criminals might do is like blaming all gay men for child abuse scandals, and as two gay men, we both know how often that false connection has been used to hurt our community. You and I would both call that out if a religious conservative tried to justify anti-gay laws based on those narratives.

So why recycle that same logic against trans people?

And if we really want to talk seriously about sentencing, social fairness, or immigration policy, let’s talk. But trying to link those big complex issues to justify hatred or distrust toward trans people? That’s not debate. That’s using fear to excuse prejudice.

You clearly have strong opinions and strong morals, and I’m not trying to dismiss everything you feel and I believe we would see how much we have in common if we actually talked to each other, not to a caricature of what we thing the other thinks. But if you're willing to stop painting every liberal, trans person, or immigrant as part of some grand conspiracy, maybe we could actually find real common ground, like fixing legal loopholes without persecuting entire communities.

Because honestly? That’s what most people actually want.

blablarg18

@raphjd Nicely done. Distinction of Real Trans vs. Queer Trans. Yes.

One is private & problem-solving. Whilst other is attention-whore & problem-creating, or even joke - as when specific male rapists or second-rate male athletes discover they are "trans" with its lighter prison sentences, award ribbons etc.

eobox91103

@raphd: Perhaps we can create a new board called "Transphobia" (perhaps a subset of "Politics and Debate?" for this kind of discussion.

blablarg18

@eobox91103 Or "Pomposity" which can be for you where you label entire discussions, rather than add comment of value

eobox91103

@blablarg18 Once again we see the childish dynamic of, "If you can't discuss something rationally, call the other person names."

As for "comments of value," in this thread there are plenty from PedrocaWest...but replies to them are just old, worn-out copy/pastes from the Anti-Trans Playbook.

Here's an exercise for the reader: Do a search on "you" on this page in your browser. See how many times it shows up in the anti-trans replies? That's clear evidence that, when confronted with facts, the anti-transists simply start calling names. That makes a mockery of the forum--which should be about ideas, not personalities.

blablarg18

@eobox91103 .....name-calling as done by you.

"Transphobia" - Yours, to start with.

"Childish" - Oops, just you again. "Name-calling" - You, #3.

"Anti-trans" - #4.

Thanks for proving my point. Your worthless comments here. Zero value-add.

Well, you do crack me up.

(As meta-joke, I re-edited that a few times to increase count of y,o,u )

eobox91103

@blablarg18 Note that those words I used were applied to concepts, not to specific people...although I grant it would take above-average reading/grammar skills to notice this.

Note that the preceding post uses "you," or a derivative, seven times...demonstrating my point.

blablarg18

@eobox91103 Weird how you excuse yourself with that intense parsing & excuse-making - yet not others.

blablarg18

Now for something related to topic. (Because someone should.)

Rachel Dolezal & Shaun King are White. They were never Black.

For long, they claimed to be Black - & got certain advantages.

If you notice: are you "anti-Black"? Absurd. Only idiot could think it.

"Fauxcahontas" Sen. Warren is White. She was never Indian or First Peoples, whatever.

For long, she claimed to be - & got certain advantages.

If you notice: are you "anti-Indian"? Far-fetched. Only moron could think it.

Convicted male rapists & second-rate male athletes are male. In Clown World 2025, they claim to be Trans - & get certain advantages.

If you notice: are you "anti-Trans" & "phobic"? What bad-faith name-calling that is.

BAD. FAITH. Not worth reply, beyond this comment & bringing this comment to its end here.

raphjd

@blablarg18 said in Horrifying fact about transGENDER people:

Now for something related to topic. (Because someone should.)

Rachel Dolezal & Shaun King are White. They were never Black.

For long, they claimed to be Black - & got certain advantages.

If you notice: are you "anti-Black"? Absurd. Only idiot could think it.

"Fauxcahontas" Sen. Warren is White. She was never Indian or First Peoples, whatever.

For long, she claimed to be - & got certain advantages.

If you notice: are you "anti-Indian"? Far-fetched. Only moron could think it.

Convicted male rapists & second-rate male athletes are male. In Clown World 2025, they claim to be Trans - & get certain advantages.

If you notice: are you "anti-Trans" & "phobic"? What bad-faith name-calling that is.

BAD. FAITH. Not worth reply, beyond this comment & bringing this comment to its end here.

You forgot the guy running for NYC mayor claiming to be black.

blablarg18

@raphjd Another dude - Took me long time to remember his name, but - McGreevey. Remember him?

Dem governor of NJ. Married to woman. Pawed at his hot Israeli staffer & overpaid him.

Staffer felt assaulted, wanted to sue, denies affair to this day. Whilst other McGreevey staffers said they too were assaulted.

McGreevey homosexuality was real - He didn't fake - but he sure worked it for advantages.

Only as scandal broke, only as McGreevey needed to save his political career - only in 2004, after 2003 "Lawrence" decision made things safe & legal - only after his wife was done with him - only then, McGreevey "bravely" came out. Sympathy play.

It bombed - his political career ended anyway. So he did book & movie - with Alexandra Pelosi. Some people must have bought it? I didn't.

Next McGreevey he tried to become minister in hyper-lib Episcopal Church. & even they, told him no / wouldn't have him.

Example of person who is really LGBT.....but who cares? because person whores for attention, to point where we wish they were fake.

But I did notice - so, must be anti-Gay now

raphjd

@blablarg18 said in Horrifying fact about transGENDER people:

McGreevey

I completely forgot about him until your post.

His administration was full of scandals. Several people had to resign, including the Director of the State Police.

blablarg18

@raphjd For fun, I just checked & Pelosi pic about him was torrented in 2016. Dead. (which is fine)

blablarg18

Wow, South Park saw it back in 2014.

That criminals - Cartman, or in our world, rapists - would wreck Trans issue, mis-use it for advantage.

Youtube Video

"But, this isn't a hurting confused [person] we're talking about - it's Eric Cartman!"

Episode was finally pro-Trans. Randy was revealed to be singer Lorde & as Lorde, he got to use female bathrooms.

Oh wait - episode was written by 2 males.

Well-meaning males. But it seems, they didn't ask actual females if they like to shit next to males. Hmm.