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      blablarg18
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      More truth - Prof Jeffrey Sachs, with Glenn Greenwald:

      https://rumble.com/v4vl05z-interview-prof.-jeffrey-sachs-on-ukraines-war-failures.html

      btw - all 3 are libs - as I said above, no one's perfect - I look for accuracy - on this topic, these 3 got it.

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        lololulu19 @jaroonn
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        @jaroonn Uh... Russia is not and cannot afford to lose that war. If necessary, they will nuke Ukraine. They are already training for that. If Ukraine had nukes (they had them, but gave them up because their government was, and still is, so unstable that they could not trust themselves with nukes) they also would use them to avoid defeat. By the way, Chernobyl is in Kiev in Ukraine. That was Ukraine's incompetent gift to Europe. The US is sending Ukraine $60 billion, and Ukraine is asking for 150,000 NATO troops. If they get them before Trump is there to rescue the situation from senile Joe, you will have WW3.

        Likewise, if China invades Taiwan before Trump takes over, you will also have WW3.

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          blablarg18 @lololulu19
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          @lololulu19 Yes - For Russia, NATO expansion to Ukraine is existential red line.

          It's been known for decades that Russia will go nuclear to stop it.

          No one can say "But what about democracy?" - since Ukraine isn't democracy.

          Zelensky Regime

          • censors jails or kills opposition
          • censors jails or kills journalists
          • cancels elections
          • harbors battalions of literal Hitler-worshippers in military, hugs them in public

          Putin & Biden Regimes do first two, but merely rig elections - making Zelensky worst of the 3.

          Zelensky cancels elections because he'd lose.

          Ukraine people don't volunteer for this war. Instead, some form form brutal conscription gangs to kidnap others & make them "volunteer".

          Even @jaroonn Churchill for all his passion on this topic & living nearby (he says), won't volunteer.

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            jaroonn @lololulu19
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            @lololulu19 You are confusing Ukraine with the USSR. Your revisions of history are substantial.

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              blablarg18 @jaroonn
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              @jaroonn HAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahaha you 🤡

              btw - even The Economist, neolib rag that ought to have its propaganda in line........... even they call Ukraine no better than "hybrid regime"

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

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                lololulu19 @jaroonn
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                @jaroonn Chernobyl is in Kiev. Kiev is in Ukraine. The fact that you recognize that Ukraine was part of the USSR, and you equate
                the USSR with Russia is admitting that Ukraine is part of Russia - which is what the war is about.

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                  jaroonn @lololulu19
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                  @lololulu19 said in Russia Must Lose the War:

                  Chernobyl is in Kiev. Kiev is in Ukraine. The fact that you recognize that Ukraine was part of the USSR, and you equate
                  the USSR with Russia is admitting that Ukraine is part of Russia - which is what the war is about.

                  And so was Armenia and the Baltics. And Ireland was once part of the UK. What's your point? What's next? Moldova? Are you saying that Russia has a "right" to restore its empire? The Ukrainians don't have any say in the matter? You share Putin's view of the world? Does France have a right to Algeria? Does Austria have a right to restore it's empire?

                  Think before you type and embarrass yourself.

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                    raphjd Forum Administrator @jaroonn
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                    @jaroonn

                    Obama/Biden let Russia run amuck. Or have you forgotten?

                    Biden/Kamala removed all of Trump's sanctions on Russia. Or have you forgotten?

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                      jaroonn @raphjd
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                      @raphjd No, I haven't. And I think sanctions should have been much more severe in 2014. I didn't agree with the soft approach, I was furious at Trump for treating Putin as his BFF as well. But does that mean it's Biden's or Trump's fault that Putin invaded Ukraine? Or was it Merkel's?

                      No.

                      Putin made the decision, and I think we now know that sanctions are not going to deter him. At the end of the day, no matter what happened before; he made the decision.

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                        raphjd Forum Administrator @jaroonn
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                        @jaroonn

                        Who was filling his coffers so he could afford to run amuck?

                        It was Obama/Biden's fault that he was allowed to take Crimea, invade Georgia, etc with impunity. Of course, the EU was also responsible.

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                          jaroonn @raphjd
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                          @raphjd So hindsight is 20/20, and there is always someone else to blame for bad behavior. Got it.

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                            raphjd Forum Administrator @jaroonn
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                            @jaroonn

                            So, if you know someone is a child raper, you'd let them be with kids without supervision. When they rape a child, you'd be "It's not my fault that I let a known child raper be alone with kids and he raped them".

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                              jaroonn @raphjd
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                              @raphjd So Biden was meant to babysit Putin? That analogy is way off in left field. But it's ok. I know that your sole purpose in life is to find a way to blame liberals for everything, so go for it.

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                                raphjd Forum Administrator @jaroonn
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                                @jaroonn

                                Your life purpose is to make excuses for liberals.

                                Liberals have a proven track record of being pro-Putin while screeching about Trump.

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                                  jaroonn @raphjd
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                                  @raphjd said in Russia Must Lose the War:

                                  Your life purpose is to make excuses for liberals.

                                  Nope. When I think they are wrong, I say so. I said I thought US policy in 2014 was wrong. And it was US policy, not just the Democrats. It was also the policy of every country in Europe liberal or conservative. It's just very telling that while Russian TV praises MTG and Trump, you deflect to Obama and ancient history. It's ok; you can't help it 😉

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                                    raphjd Forum Administrator @jaroonn
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                                    @jaroonn

                                    I don't watch Russian TV.

                                    I guess I'm not as pro-Putin as you are

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                                      jaroonn @raphjd
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                                      @raphjd I will just let that comeback stay as is. It's self-explanatory.

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                                        blablarg18 @jaroonn
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                                        ...and accurate.

                                        Meanwhile what @lololulu19 said was accurate too:

                                        Uh... Russia is not and cannot afford to lose that war.

                                        ....as they've made clear for decades.

                                        If necessary, they will nuke Ukraine. They are already training for that. If Ukraine had nukes (they had them, but gave them up because their government was, and still is, so unstable that they could not trust themselves with nukes) they also would use them to avoid defeat.

                                        Which refers to POST-Soviet situation, 1990s & on to 2000s.

                                        "Budapest Memorandum" - IYKYK

                                        or - if you don't know - if you refuse to know, if you insist on stay ignorant - then you're @jaroonn 😉

                                        By the way, Chernobyl is in Kiev in Ukraine. That was Ukraine's incompetent gift to Europe. The US is sending Ukraine $60 billion, and Ukraine is asking for 150,000 NATO troops. If they get them before Trump is there to rescue the situation from senile Joe, you will have WW3.

                                        What part of that is outdated? Only this: USA "aid" is well over $100 billion by now.

                                        Like this:

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                                        And this:

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