Why are porn star ID request posts being deleted ?
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@lololulu19 said in Why are porn star ID request posts being deleted ?:
... every single recorded image, video, text, video.. is automatically copyrighted the instant it is made. Well, if that is true, then ALL of the content on this site is copyrighted. I wonder what the guys in locker rooms taking a shower to taking a piss think when they see that someone has recorded them without their knowledge, and posted it to the internet? Forget about fake copyrights.. THAT delves into an entirely more serious violation of people's privacy ...
You raise a lot of complex and inter-connected issues here. Any artistic product (granted, that term seems clumsy when applied to porn) is presumptively copyrighted to its "author," which could be either a porn studio or an amateur with a camera. The copyright owner is the only one who is entitled under law to sell that material. Distribution at no cost by a non-owner (which is the core of a torrent site like this) could be pursued by the copyright owner as a civil matter, seeking damages for lost revenue. These sorts of claims could be successful if brought by a large Hollywood studio against someone who pirated the latest James Bond or Star Wars film, but a porn studio complaining about file-sharing of a 20 minute gay porn fuck scene wouldn't get a lot of sympathy in the courts.
The hidden camera/voyeur material you reference explodes into lots of messy issues: In a studio production, the performers relinquish their rights to the material to the studio. That can't be done if the "performer" doesn't know that he's being filmed...so a copyright for that material could be argued to belong to both the author (who has the camera) and the guy being filmed. But that's the least of problems. Such material is clearly a violation of privacy, which is a serious enough matter. But also, there is no way of knowing that the "performer" in a shower/locker room/public toilet is an adult. I've seen some over-the-stall videos of a lad wanking where it's quite possible that the lad is under age. Making, possessing, or distributing that kind of material is a serious crime. But I think I'm getting off the topic of the thread here...
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@eobox91103 one new excellent point you made was that even if they did pursue it.. it would be a CIVIL matter and not criminal, since no money was transferred.. and also.. since it was not sold, they can't collect any money from the sale.. of something that was not sold! Hypothecially, the could sue for damages - but that has never happened. Even if awarded damages, in a civil suit, that is next to impossible. Is have two fantastic examples of that.. I already mentioned Fred Goldman winning a $35 million award against OJ Simpson in CIVIL court.. but Freddie has yet to see a dime of that. Another case was Hulk Hogan suing Gawker and being awarded $115 million. Well.. Hogan has yet to collect a dime of that.
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The site owner made the decision.
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@lololulu19 said in Why are porn star ID request posts being deleted ?:
@eobox91103 one new excellent point you made was that even if they did pursue it.. it would be a CIVIL matter and not criminal, since no money was transferred.. and also.. since it was not sold, they can't collect any money from the sale.. of something that was not sold! Hypothecially, the could sue for damages - but that has never happened. Even if awarded damages, in a civil suit, that is next to impossible. Is have two fantastic examples of that.. I already mentioned Fred Goldman winning a $35 million award against OJ Simpson in CIVIL court.. but Freddie has yet to see a dime of that. Another case was Hulk Hogan suing Gawker and being awarded $115 million. Well.. Hogan has yet to collect a dime of that.
There have been cases where porn companies have sued people who shared or downloaded copyrighted material. I don't have data on how many (if any) of these actions resulted in awarded damages, but it's difficult to collect on a civil lawsuit. The two high-profile cases you mention are an example of that, but even "mid-sized" cases in the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars are tough to collect, unless the defendant has insurance to pay it. While there are ways to forcibly collect on a judgment, they are difficult and time-consuming, and often not worth the effort on the part of a plaintiff who "won" the judgment.
Some porn producers who sell subscriptions include a condition in their terms of service providing that a subscriber is liable for a certain amount of damages (usually around $50K) if s/he shares copyrighted content. This can make a subsequent civil action easier to win, but still doesn't help with collection.
Another spin on all this is an interesting case involving FlavaWorks; see https://www.thesword.com/flava-works-gay-porn-lawsuit.htmlhttps://www.thesword.com/flava-works-gay-porn-lawsuit.html . In brief, FlavaWorks contacted one of their subscribers directly who had torrent-shared their material, and asked for payment of $97K. The subscriber was a public figure and counter-sued on the grounds that FlavaWorks was trying to extort money from him. I don't know how it turned out, but I think both cases dissolved.
(FlavaWorks was in hot water over some other issues--I seem to recall that the city or county of Miami was suing them for operating a business without a license, and the city of Chicago was suing them for doing porn scenes in a row house in a manner that could be seen from the street. Since both of these actions involved a government, the studio was under greater threat of asset seizure, etc. I don't know how these turned out.)
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@lololulu19 said in Why are porn star ID request posts being deleted ?:
Well, if that is true, then ALL of the content on this site is copyrighted.
Since that happens to be the case, I'm not sure what point you think you're making here.
There are many sites that do. typically these other sites charge you a monthly subscription fee.. so you can download content from them that they do not own. Many of these sites have you pay by the minute to view this content.
If you're referring to the main streaming and download porn sites (TLAVideo, AEBN, Gay-Movie, Gay-Top, etc.), they have all licensed the content they make available. The studios take a cut of the fees.
With that said.. let me point out what IS illegal.. SELLING content that does not belong to you.
So is copying something and handing it over to someone else, even if you don't charge. You're still violating their copyright and, presumably, depriving them of a sale. You're simply wrong that money has to change hands for it to be illegal.
Porn studios have pursued these cases in the past, albeit with mixed success. They've won some; they've lost some. Generally, their most effective tactic has been to threaten a lawsuit and settle with the individual or site, since defending yourself is expensive, tedious, stressful, and time-consuming. Titan Media, in particular, used to be very successful with this model and, contrary to your confident assertion, were able to obtain money from quite a few file sharers.
Titan was successful enough and abusive enough during their most active litigious period that the two major gay porn torrent sites at that time both banned sharing of their videos. One of the torrent sites today still has that ban.
This is something I'm reasonably familiar with, having previously been attacked by one of the studios several years ago. It took hiring a lawyer to get them to back off from their threats against me.
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@NF16 said in Why are porn star ID request posts being deleted ?:
This is something I'm reasonably familiar with, having previously been attacked by one of the studios several years ago. It took hiring a lawyer to get them to back off from their threats against me.
I''m sorry you had to go through that. Your screen name sounds familiar--perhaps you shared this story in the forum, and that's what spurred me on to researching things like the FlavaWorks case. I think I posted a response, but haven't followed up on that since then.
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@NF16 I was not referring to TLAvideo nor those other's you mentioned. There are a ton of sites charging subscription fees to view content.
I have begged for people to provide even one example of someone being successfuly sued for sharing content. I am still waiting for that one example.
if you are so concerned about sharing content.. why are you a member of this site? are you sharing content? I am very much aware that there are people here.. who never upload, never download, and are just here to cause trouble. For instance, I get reported constantly on Facebook. There are people whose entire lives are centered on reporting people on Facebook. It's their hobby. There are a lot of people who thrive on making other people's lives miserable. Many of them work for the government or sheriff's department.
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@lololulu19 : It took me 30 seconds on Google to find examples of porn studios winning lawsuits and using the threat of legal action to force sharers and sites to settle. I've even given you a clue about one such studio in my last post. Your failure to do even basic research on a subject that you have repeatedly and vehemently posted about is duly noted.
The rest of your post didn't merit a response, other than derisive laughter. Thank you for living up to (down to) my expectations of you. I'm not going to bother to engage further, as you're not worth my time.
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@lololulu19 said in Why are porn star ID request posts being deleted ?:
I have begged for people to provide even one example of someone being successfuly sued for sharing content. I am still waiting for that one example.
I would also like to see an example. There's an interesting article at https://torrentfreak.com/judge-understands-bittorrent-kills-mass-piracy-lawsuits-140130/. In essence,
- In the U.S. roughly half a million people have been sued for sharing copyrighted files in recent years, but filing of mass-lawsuits is not getting easier. A federal judge in Iowa has just issued a key order which makes mass-BitTorrent piracy lawsuits virtually impossible. The judge ruled that copyright holders can't join multiple defendants in one suit, since there is no proof that they shared files with each other.
This means that a studio would have to sue each person sharing or receiving a file individually--that's a lot of effort for little return.
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@NF16 I see that you did not bother to provide even one example..
Seems like you are a troll that needs to be removed from this site.
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@eobox91103 frankly.. for ZERO return.. and a lot of expenses. Attorneys are like blood sucking leeches when it comes to fees.
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To be clear:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trollAs per site rule :
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@john32123666 said in Why are porn star ID request posts being deleted ?:
Trolls are people who leave intentionally provocative or offensive messages on the internet in order to get attention, cause trouble or upset someone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trollThank you for that Wikipedia page--it has some very amusing images, such as "Don't feed the trolls" and "Internet troll popping out of the computer" (which I initially read as "pooping," perhaps an even more appropriate title).
I can think of someone in the forum who fits that definition of troll quite well, although s/he hasn't participated in this thread. I won't mention any names, lest I be labeled a troll (although I've been called far worse than that on here).
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I forget whom.. but one of the veteran moderators of this site was surprised when someone reported a video that the moderator posted of HIMSELF jacking off that was taken down for copyright infringement! Think about that for awhile.
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And speaking of amusing images, I checked the forum a few minutes ago and got the following screen:
The term "excessive load" could mean a number of things to this community...but I better stop, since this is admittedly off-topic, and I don't want to be labeled a troll.
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@eobox91103 said in Why are porn star ID request posts being deleted ?:
"excessive load"
This happens when a website is updating [Server is busy]
So it doesn't mean a thing ...In computing:
refers to the beginning or executing a program by moving (loading) the necessary information from a drive (e.g., hard drive), into a computer's memory. Depending on the information being loaded, the speed of the hardware, and how other programs are running determines the load time. If a program or command shows a load average or progress indicator, it's an average of how long it takes to load or execute.With a web page or online service, load time is the total time it takes for the user to view the page or use the service. As more file requests are required and file sizes are increased, the longer it takes to load.
SOURCE: https://www.computerhope.com/jargon/l/load.htm
RELATED: https://www.cs.uic.edu/~jbell/CourseNotes/OperatingSystems/13_IOSystems.html -
@john32123666 said in Why are porn star ID request posts being deleted ?:
"excessive load"
This happens when a website is updating [Server is busy]
So it doesn't mean a thing ...I didn't think my attempt at humour was so obscure. Here's an example of what I think of when I hear "excessive load:"
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@eobox91103 LOL gotcha !!! ... No Problem
[WATCHOUT OVERLOAD] ENTRY
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph6138bde1c70e4
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@eobox91103 I saw a video 2 months ago with what I thought was an "excessive load" that was so huge, that I thought it was fake. A moderator assured me that it was REAL.
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