Grindr fails to remove ethnicity filter after pledge to do so
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I am sorry but I totally disagree. Filter criteria are absolutely not "racist". They are only filters helping to narrow down a earch radius based on personal criteria.
If the argument is that the "origin" or "ethnic" filter is racist than how about all the other filters such as cut/uncut; body type; age; weigh;…?
With that argumentation all filters in a search are "racist".
This discussion and "service reduction" of grindr s ridiculous. And it will not solve in any circumstance racist behavior!Just my two cents...
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sometimes I think I enjoy to be gay, then I insist in reading these replies..
racism isn't a preference, folks.But there is a natural preference to be with our own. Sexuality has nothing to do with it.
It's why you see housing clusters, marriage licenses, etc, etc.
There is a preference definitely but how come it is conclusive that it is "natural"?
Natural as in not led by environmental, social and circumstantial factors?
Look at the facial recognition studies. People are better at recognizing people of the same race.
If it weren't natural to want to be with your own, then why is it the same all over the world.
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I find the discussion about the filter more interesting then the filter itself. Most of the the replies are respectful, what a nice change.
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sometimes I think I enjoy to be gay, then I insist in reading these replies..
racism isn't a preference, folks.But there is a natural preference to be with our own. Sexuality has nothing to do with it.
It's why you see housing clusters, marriage licenses, etc, etc.
There is a preference definitely but how come it is conclusive that it is "natural"?
Natural as in not led by environmental, social and circumstantial factors?
Look at the facial recognition studies. People are better at recognizing people of the same race.
If it weren't natural to want to be with your own, then why is it the same all over the world.
Again do the facial recognition studies suggest that the causality is "natural"?
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political correctness gone crazy
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All races prefer their own and countless studies prove this as do marriage records.
89% to 93% whites and asians respectively, with the others in between
That's really lazy analysis. You're not taking into account various forms of bias, social and legal prohibitions, the intersection of race with other factors.
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It seems some people want to make everything about racism.
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It seems some people want to make everything about racism.
So in order to not be accused of following the racism bandwagon, the reasonable conclusion is that the data you present support a "natural" preference?
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Well, I provided reasons to back up my comment.
I say it's natural, as seen in the areas I already mentioned and more. You on the other hand use my examples and claim they are due to racism.
Blacks find it easier to recognize other blacks, white find it easier to recognize other whites, etc, etc, etc. Clearly, that must be racism to liberals.
Marriage certificates show that 89% - 93% marry their own race, so it must be racism to liberals.
It can't be natural, because that doesn't fit the liberal dogma.
A lilly white liberal chick can call a black woman a "nappy ass ho" and liberals say that's not racist.
Liberals dumb down their language and get "ghetto" when speaking to blacks, but that's not racist.
30 years ago, everyone wanted a "brown baby" but that's not racist.
Let's not forget the ever popular; "only whites can be racist".
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Can you quote me where I said anything about racism before you brought it up?
You are a terrible commentator on pretty much anything because you fail to define the words you use even after someone asks you to do so. And that is disregarding the fact that you just tried to attribute to myself something that I did not say. Might wanna be more careful.
So to the topic at hand: What do you mean by "natural"? That it is not inherently bad? Sure no problem there.
Do you mean natural as in the dichotomy of nurture vs nature?
If so, the data you presented simply do not justify the use of the word. Simple, no?
The rest of the stuff that you blurted out are, again, completely irrelevant to what I just said, and is a consequence of you trying to find baaaad liberals/leftists to anyone who challenges anything you say. Good going dude…
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Natural as in normal, ie when marriage certificates show a 10% deviation from wanting to be with our own. It's how you see Pakistani muslims ghettoizing themselves in the UK, and not just muslims in general. NYC also has this where orthodox jews cluster and from there they cluster into even smaller groups based on the type/branch of the religion they come from.
Natural as in the way we are wired, ie the facial recognition studies.
It has nothing to do with racism or any other BS liberals tend to claim in these discussions.
You have shown me absolutely nothing to prove your side. All you have done is claim that I am wrong and you are right.
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Therefore you concede I did not mention racism and that you put words in my mouth?
"Natural as in the way we are wired" implies something inherent and/or genetic.
The data you present (with no sources but it does not make a difference) do not justify the conclusion you are trying to peddle as obvious.
You made the claim to begin with, therefore you are the one that has to prove it. Not the one who expresses doubt.
Its how argumentation works. If you do not like it, I suggest you stop commenting on issues that have nothing to do with your -it seems- favourite polarizing view of the world that everything is liberals vs conservatives.
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You have no explanation, except that I am wrong.
At least I have the courage to put my point of view forward for scrutiny.
Take your head out of the sand, the world, especially in the last 15 years, is very much liberal vs conservative.
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I do not have to have an explanation for something you claim, dude.
But that was scrutiny is. You make a claim, people express their reasonable doubts and then its on you to prove your point. Prove it then.
No honey, this is you turning every disagreement into a political "debate".
I get it, its an easy way for you to dismiss anyone that calls you on your baseless claims, but you have to grow out of it at some point, dont you think?
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One of my best friends is a married straight black man. He joked about this with me after reading a related article, though it wasn’t about Grindr. He was calling me racist because I wouldn’t have sex with him -lol. I was like, welp, I guess I gotta have sex with you then. Then his tone slightly changed like it always does when I mess with him, but we still joked. ;D This is so ridiculous and much different than specifically listing “NO {race}” or this or that only, it’s a simple filter to help users find what they’re interested in.
Although I’m not currently looking for a BF, or for any hookups or friends, I would appreciate to have those filter tools available to use.
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So to the topic at hand: What do you mean by "natural"? That it is not inherently bad? Sure no problem there.
Do you mean natural as in the dichotomy of nurture vs nature?
I think part of the problem in the discussion here is that the word "natural" isn't a good fit for the phenomenon of many (possibly most) people having a preference for "their own." This would suggest that it is "unnatural" for someone to prefer a person of a different background.
That would lead to awkward parallels, such as saying that people who are left-handed are "unnatural"–and closer to home, that men who are gay are "unnatural." I don't accept that conclusion.
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I do not have to have an explanation for something you claim, dude.
But that was scrutiny is. You make a claim, people express their reasonable doubts and then its on you to prove your point. Prove it then.
No honey, this is you turning every disagreement into a political "debate".
I get it, its an easy way for you to dismiss anyone that calls you on your baseless claims, but you have to grow out of it at some point, dont you think?
And yet again, you claim I'm wrong, but you can't explain why I'm wrong other than you don't like my explanation.
You didn't make any REASONABLE doubt, you just said I was wrong.
Maybe you should just link me to AOC's Instagram page so you don't have to spend so much time typing gibberish non-sense.
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Well, I provided reasons to back up my comment.
I say it's natural, as seen in the areas I already mentioned and more. You on the other hand use my examples and claim they are due to racism.
Blacks find it easier to recognize other blacks, white find it easier to recognize other whites, etc, etc, etc. Clearly, that must be racism to liberals.
Marriage certificates show that 89% - 93% marry their own race, so it must be racism to liberals.
It can't be natural, because that doesn't fit the liberal dogma.
A lilly white liberal chick can call a black woman a "nappy ass ho" and liberals say that's not racist.
Liberals dumb down their language and get "ghetto" when speaking to blacks, but that's not racist.
30 years ago, everyone wanted a "brown baby" but that's not racist.
Let's not forget the ever popular; "only whites can be racist".
I don't give a solitary damn if every other gay black man in the universe, prefers and "recognizes" (whatever in the hell that means) with another black man. I don't. So therefore, that doesn't apply to me, and is a flawless argument for myself, to make. Unless the argument is universal, such as, "cars need gas to run." Which even then there are caveats, as some cars are electric, or run on alternative fuel. But still, you get the idea.
I know I like all races of men, and I'm currently single, and will take love and a boyfriend or a partner or companion or spouse, where I find it, and it presents itself to me. I don't go into those incorrect tropes and assumptions at all. Especially due to the fact, most of my crushes and infatuations, deal with white and non black men. I am of course a gay black man.
So all of that is so dismissive, it's not funny.
It's no use, because the gay male community is very much divided as of late. Any gay man that has any sort of liberal or leftist view or opinion, or inclusive or vibrant or cultural opinion, or is different with an open mind, it's always a fiasco. Especially being a gay black man, and I try to be optimistic, and say times will change. But I think I'm possibly mistaken, and I see it now. I'm starting to see patterns. I don't want to say the "R" word is at play, but if the boot fits. People either get it, or they fucking don't. So I feel all of the above was quite probably a waste of time, but for the open minded guys on here, I hope you guys heard where I was coming from, and yeah. That's what I had to say, in regards to this topic.
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By "recognize" we were talking about facial recognition studies which show it's easier for people to recognize people of their own race.
In one major study, the test subject was shown a photo of a person for 1 minute and then was timed for how fast they could find that person in a photo of a crowd/group without the use of the reference photo.
People were faster and more accurate with their own race.
People of one race that grew up in an area of mostly 1 other race found it easier to find people of that dominant race, but nothing like how easy they found it to find their own race.
The worst results came from people trying to find a person of another race while living in an area dominated by their own race.
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By "recognize" we were talking about facial recognition studies which show it's easier for people to recognize people of their own race.
In one major study, the test subject was shown a photo of a person for 1 minute and then was timed for how fast they could find that person in a photo of a crowd/group without the use of the reference photo.
People were faster and more accurate with their own race.
People of one race that grew up in an area of mostly 1 other race found it easier to find people of that dominant race, but nothing like how easy they found it to find their own race.
The worst results came from people trying to find a person of another race while living in an area dominated by their own race.
In regards to your original argument, you were saying based on that unrelated and off topic concept, (which is actually called the "Cross Race Effect". In which a person is able to tell specific things apart from a race that they themselves belong to, and identify people of their race better. People outside that race, they say based on that concept, may not be able to differentiate as such, and come up with epithets such as, "all [certain race of people] look the same.", or get celebrities that look similar mixed up, and what not.)
But that's also bullshit, because I'm black myself. (I actually look sort of identical like Donald Glover/Childish Gambino) and I get so many famous black men mixed up with someone else, it's not funny. Athletes, entertainers, musicians/rappers. It's not funny. But based on that theorem, I should have no issue telling people of my race apart, but I do quite often.
That also has nothing to do with sexual attraction and adornment and infatuation, and preference when it comes to personal relationships and romantic relationships. I grew up in the inner city, and aside from paternal grandmother, who's best friend was a white Jewish woman, who would visit us sometimes, I grew up around black people. The only thing is, I would watch Jim Carrey movies being six years old, and thought Jim Carey was an interesting man, and he was funny and handsome and charming to me. I was also really into Backstreet Boys and NSYNC when I was in Elementary school and yeah. I was just drawn to what I was attracted to, and I had no control over that aspect.
So I really hate all that, "You grow up around your preferences." when that's not necessarily true at all.
race, and you're [Y] or [Z] race, and people of [X] race only date each other, and [Y] and [Z] race, will face issues and problems and trouble;", I feel all that is bullshit and dismissive, unless there is an exception to the rule, and we are thusly talking about a Homogenous area, (which even then, there are remarkably lots of interracial and cross cultural courtships at a moderate number in these areas.) so of course this discussion need not apply. But generally and usually, we are talking about an area with a melting pot of cultures and people so.
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