What do you think about gay-for-pay stars?
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I don't follow/watch them.
Some talk shit about gay porns and even gays.
Yep, that is where your money go to.
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I think "Gay for pay" is just a ruse used by sites to lure guys. We all want to fuck/get fucked by a straight guy and claim that we converted him. Its a boost for our ego. If gay sex is really disgusting to them then they would not do it. There are other ways of making money..
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I love watching straight guys get serviced. but it has to be like real not that. fake feeling kinda vibe. I like the more amature side of it.
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Some of them are just doing it as a job. There are those who enjoy putting their dicks in any hole, regardless of who is attached to it. Then there are the gay ones who just say they're straight to increase demand r to maintain an image. Gay and straight are jst very rigid laels, when in human sexuality it's very much different shades, not various well-defined blocks.
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A little late to the party, but I figured I'd better reply than start a new topic.
Anyway, I believe there are are straight, gay porn actors.
Gay porn notably pays more than straight porn for men. So, if you want some easy money, gay porn is a great option - one can record a scene in 2, 3 hours (though some scenes take much more time), the production team pays for the airfare, and you can walk out of the studio with $3,000 for just one day's work. Financially, it's quite a good option.
Devon Hunter, a former porn star (who's bi), discussed how his work for Sean Cody went, and how he acted opposite a straight guy, who was only in it for the money. He mentions how the guy could only hold an erection for 30-60 seconds, then went soft and they had to do another take. This went on for 8 hours, which rendered muliple takes of both guys being hard. In the end, the actors are hard throughout all of the video because of the editing. Joey Mills himself thanked one of the editors when he received an award a few years ago, so we can only imagine what magic those guys do. Anyway, the article's a very thorough and interesting read, for anyone who's interested: https://devonhunter.info/archives/1625/
I also believe a man can enjoy having sex with men even if they're not gay or bi. Sexual orientation has to do with attraction, not what kind of body the person you're having sex with has. I read a few years ago an article about a gay for pay actor who claimed that he discovered he enjoyed having sex with men - a mouth is a mouth and a hole is a hole. Maybe he thought of a woman, maybe he could just ignore that the other person was a man, who knows? That's However, he was never physically attracted to men: he'd never look at a guy and think 'Oh, he's handsome, I want to have sex with him'. why he identified as straight - and, to me, that makes perfect sense.
There's also the reason behind saying the sexuality of the actor. Compare Broke Straight Boys and Bel Ami: the first one relies on the objectification of straight men, that's their whole marketing. They profit from it, so we need to take any info regarding the sexuality of the performers with a grain of salt, as they could be lying just to get more clients. But Belami doesn't profit from it at all, and yet they claim Kris Evans, one of their biggest models, is straight. Since they don't gain anything from it (specially because I doubt a lot of people have actually ever read Kris' profile page), I don't see why they'd lie about it.
There are some actors who have said they're straight, like Johnny Rapid and Zeb Atlas. You can also see it in their scenes - Rapid is flat in a lot of them, whether he be kissing, sucking/being sucked, giving or receiving anal, for example. If you don't believe it, it's okay. However, in my opinion, there's a good chance they are - whilst there's still a good chance a lot of gay porn actors who claim they're straight are actually bi or gay in denial. Those situations aren't mutually exclusive.
I think a good way to see if a porn actor is gay is checking if they post gay sex in their onlyfans page (or a similar page), if they have one at all. Since there's little to no editing, most guys would be flacid throughout a lot of the video. I only see famous gay or bi actors post gay scenes, like Austin Wolf, Diego Sans and Lane Rogers/Blake Mitchell. A straight guy wouldn't want to expose himself like that, specially because no one would subscribe to his page.
Also, last but not least: why would secretly gay or bi people not come out, if it's already known they fuck men? People who want to be homophonic to them already will because they'll assume they're these gay.
Does anyone know of other gay por pay actors? I think Belami must have quite a few of them, like Kris Evans: hard to believe they always find handsome, muscular men with big cocks who always happen to be gay.
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Does anyone know of other gay por pay actors?
There are many of them, especially in Eastern Europe, Brazil, etc.
Sexuality is a spectrum and few straight men are unable to enjoy sex with another man under any circumstances. It often happens in prisons, the military, boarding schools, etc.
There must be some advantages to being perceived as straight because some do pretend to be straight when they are actually bi or gay. They might start out as topping only before bottoming as their career ages.
You mentioned Johnny Rapid. He has a wife and child, so I would consider him to be at least bi if not straight even though he is one of the most prolific actors in gay porn and probably bottoms a lot more than he tops.
Certain Bel Ami and other Eastern European gay porn actors do make (or have made) efforts to present themselves as straight even when they are bi or gay, such as Jim Kerouac. Others are probably straight when they are not in front of a camera, like Denis Reed, who left a wife and child when he died a few years ago.
I find it interesting to watch a gay porn actor start out either straight or at least very camera shy and warm up to it over time and eventually become enthusiastic about it. Bobby Owens at Broke Straight Boys is one who was hilarious in his first few videos and now he even has a porn star mustache and seems to enjoy the sex. Tommy Hunter at EastBoys is another one like that.
Some Sean Cody actors also seem to be straight but eventually really get into it. Jess (with the marijuana tattoo) may be bi, but he comes across to me as more of a straight guy who is laid back enough to enjoy making gay porn videos.
How many men who are gay and do gay porn also do straight porn or bi porn in which they fuck women? That's a more interesting question.
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I think there’s a generational component to this as well. I’m in my 50s and coming out as gay back then seems to have a different meaning than coming out does to the younger generation. Back then, being out publicly, especially during the onslaught of AIDS in the 1980s was a personal, political, and social declaration. With todays’ vastly different attitudes about sexuality (at least in the West) coming out is no longer a declaration of liberation/rebellion against mainstream society. Non-straightness has become part of mainstream society.
Furthermore, the younger generation has very different way of looking at and categorizing sex and sexuality. There have been numerous studies (no, I’m not going to look them up and site them) showing that among teenagers and 20-somethings there is a lot of attitude fluidity and that playing around with someone of the same gender is no big deal. Even “straight” behavior has been undergoing a lot of change, as young straight guys seem to be less and less worried about what is traditionally masculine. True, not all straight guys, young or older, ascribe to these new norms, but acceptance of these new norms is spreading. Seems to me that all this acceptance can only be a good thing.
As far as self-identifying as straight, I’ve heard a lot of different definitions. Some guys who are straight are simply not excited my other men. Some can have sex with other guys, but their romantic attachments are towards women.
Given this situation, it’s no surprise that some straight guys have gay sex for money, and that the reasons cover the whole spectrum described in previous replies, particularly among young men who don't attach much stigma to the idea.
Lastly, I think part of it is an anti-bisexual bias that is common among both straight and gay people. Many see bisexual men (in particular) as either wishy-washy or untrustworthy or both. Somehow it’s cool for a straight guy to fool around with men, but bi-guys are often treated with suspicion. If I were a bi-man in the porn industry, given the high status of a straight-guy-going-gay, I would certainly go for the moolah and status and claim to be straight. Why not? In terms of the actual work involved, it’s all the same; what is different is the perception of the potential viewer/customer.
At any rate, what does it matter how a porn actor chooses to portray himself? Porn isn’t real anyway - it’s pure fantasy. In reality, we know next to nothing about the actors’ lives off the set. And in the real world a person can label themselves - or not - however they choose to, and by whatever definition the choose to apply to themselves. Who are we to tell them what they can or can’t call themselves, especially when we know nothing about them?
OK, this reply went on way longer than intended!
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With todays’ vastly different attitudes about sexuality (at least in the West) coming out is no longer a declaration of liberation/rebellion against mainstream society. Non-straightness has become part of mainstream society.
Many parts of the U.S. are still hostile territory for LGBT+ people even though it is certainly better than it used to be if only because of the internet and availability of media. The current federal administration is fighting as hard as they can against basic civil rights for LGBT+ people as are many state and local governments. In NYC and many other cities, acceptance varies depending on neighborhood, career, workplace, etc. Even some LGBT+ people hate other letters in the acronym, trans people in particular, and there is plenty of evidence for that right here in this forum.
Coming out still requires a lot of courage for many people depending on their circumstances and liberation is not complete.
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I say it's just a job for them. Compared to being a computer technician or even a high school teacher; being gay-for-pay is an "easy money" industry for relatively little work. Of course, I know the back scenes stuff is more demanding; you have to be able to cum multiple times in cases of premature ejaculation and actually get hard enough to fuck. Heck, even the bottoms need to get hard while being fucked for the sake of the cameras.
On the other hand, it does raise the question of "true sexuality" with regards to the actors. Nowadays, I feel like people use the terms gay, straight, etc., as strictly catagorizing terms. If you commit a sexual act with a guy or even have thoughts of wanting to try things out with the same sex, you are at least bi. That thinking or committing a same-sex act would then qualify you as gay/bi to some degree.
I don't find that to be wholly true; it merely instigates curiosity and the want to try out what we find curious. For example, I could be taking college classes on video design and get my major in it; it doesn't mean my ultimate job would be in the video industry. I could easily take on an unrelated job such as manager of my own shop in antiques. Not that good of a comparison, but it should get my point across. Sexuality isn't as black and white as some think it to be. (I'm sure I'll get flack for saying that, but it's how I feel.)
To go back to the gay for pay actors, some probably think of it as just another job. It doesn't matter if they are gay or aren't exactly thrilled with being in the industry; it's a living and requires less skill than other jobs. Now that's not me saying being a porn actor is easy; I'm merely saying gay-for-pay can sometimes be exactly what the term implies. Of course, it also helps that gay porn is probably more competitive than straight porn and thus may pay more money.
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The ones who can get a hardon or even semi are probably not 'straight'. The ones who are always flaccid and only bottom, probably are more 'straight' than not. Thus they are only doing it for the cash.
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For me, a performer's personal life is none of my business. In fact, I usually prefer not to know so I don't spoil my fantasy conception of him.
What I really care about is the performer's performance. I don't like straight-guy worship porn. I'm turned off by obvious gay-for-pay cues like no kissing or rimming (especially bottom rimming top and never vice versa) and so on. On the other hand, if a reportedly gay-for-pay actor performs enthusiastically like a gay actor, I'm cool.
It's the final product I care about.
The exception would be gay-for-pay performers busted for criminal activities like blackmailing their gay sugar daddies and so on. I want nothing to do with them.
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