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      furio111
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      @aadam101:

      They sold them a dream that if they work hard enough they will be wealthy one day.  It's not true.  The 1% doesn't allow newcomers.

      Why would reasonable person care about becoming 1%? I guess it is like winning a lottery in many ways.
      No socialist politician can help anybody except for themselves to achieve that.
      And businesses profits are bound by competitors unless those benevolent politicians help them to be monopolistic.

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        likegoodmen
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        @raphjd:

        Leftists keep telling us how shitty the US system is while praising the world's NHS system, namely the UK's.

        I imagine that everything sucks all over for healthcare. Mankind is not a reliable animal. Oh, sure, I hear "hope" stories every now and then. But in America, it's true that you just have to live carefully (even though nobody does) and cross your fingers nothing ever happens to you.

        I'm an American and it's like a roll of the dice over here. If you're born into the right family, you don't worry about health care. Someone else takes care of it for you. If your parents are from the right generation, their worker's compensation includes health care through their policy insurers. Of course, my mother was rushed to the hospital when her breathing nearly stopped and at the hospital, they didn't inform the staff that she wasn't allowed to eat solid foods. For 48 hours, she had food clogging her esophagus… Guess what? SURGERY! They inserted a tube through her ribcage and... after 3 months of "recovery" from that, she was never able to sleep horizontally ever again.

        She went home, where she emotionally collapsed into depression and a slow exhaustion from sleeping sitting up. She fell one night sleeping at her kitchen table, hit her head and died.

        And she had fine insurance. That barely covered the ambulance ride, my father tells me. Which was more money than I make in years of my lifespan. It's certainly more money than I spend in years.

        My father also has me on his insurance plan. So, if I have a fever or an infection- my stay at the hospital is completely paid for.

        BUT... I had no insurance until Obama's plan made it mandatory. I said: that sounds scary. I can't afford this, that... My father arranged everything for me. My Trump-voting father. Who told me: this is so terrible.

        THEN... wouldn't you know it? I get sick. I'm losing weight like the sun is eating me. My skin feels like it's on fire. They're giving me Morphine at the hospital and I don't even feel it. They stick me with so many needles, I'm on the verge of tears. And I've never cried during a shot.

        But: everything was paid for. I never heard a word about bills. I don't even know how it happened. It's been a year. My father saw me sick and he started freaking out.

        So... some people are lucky. But if it was easy, you wouldn't hear about people who wound up in the hospital and then are paying medical bills for decades. I hear people with bills from the 90's are still paying them. My best friend's mother was in the hospital and doing a Kickstarter / Go Fund Me for help. I KNOW HER! I KNOW THAT WOMAN! She was insanely kind to me as a child. She's not making this up. Any system where she can't afford medical treatment by herself has real problems.

        So... No. I don't buy that America's system works fine for everyone. My own mother was proof of that.


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          raphjd Forum Administrator
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          I doubt anyone will ever say the American system is perfect.  It's far from it.

          The problem is that liberals/leftists say it's total shit and we need a UK style NHS, which is total shit.

          My local GP office ("surgery" in the UK) rarely has any "non-emergency" appointments available.  You have to call every Monday to see if they have any appointments available for the week.  You have to go through a 2 point "triage" system (receptionist, nurse and then a doctor) in order to get an appointment.  You literally have to sit by your phone waiting for them to call you back.  The Triage nurse will call you back a few hours after you originally call and you have to explain everything again.  If she likes what you say, then she'll have the triage doctor call you back.  If you pass that hurdle, then you can get an appointment.  Even if it's an emergency (not A&E level) you may still not get an appointment and told to call again the next morning to see if you can get an appointment.

          NHS contracts are getting worse, despite constantly increasing amounts of money being spent on it.  My local GP office was a private business under an NHS contract and they closed their doors due to not being able to keep going under the NHS contract.    The NHS now has direct control over the practice and things are far worse than before.

          The UK severely restricts what you can buy OTC.  Even things that are commonly sold OTC everywhere else in the western world.  You are also restricted in how much you can buy.  You can only buy 2 days worth of cold pills at a time unless you go to several different pharmacies.

          In the US, you can go into Walgreens and buy countless OTC things without thinking about it.  In the UK, you have OTC, OTC Restricted, and Prescription.

          Looking at Walgreens acne page tells the story.  There are a lot of OTC products on there that require a prescription in the UK.  Sadly, you can't get an appointment to get a prescription.  Just reading the headline of the product (not the full description), just over 50% of the products require a prescription in the UK and about 25% are OTC Restricted.  If I read the full description it would probably even worse.

          For reference, "OTC Restricted" is where the pharmacy tech has to ask you 1,001 question before deciding if you can buy it or not.

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            aadam101
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            @furio111:

            @aadam101:

            They sold them a dream that if they work hard enough they will be wealthy one day.  It's not true.  The 1% doesn't allow newcomers.

            Why would reasonable person care about becoming 1%? I guess it is like winning a lottery in many ways.
            No socialist politician can help anybody except for themselves to achieve that.
            And businesses profits are bound by competitors unless those benevolent politicians help them to be monopolistic.

            Because American kids are sold this dream based on a lie.  They are told at a very young age that if they work hard they can grow up and be whatever they want to be.  It's just not true.  Its true for people who already have money but the rest of us will never be a part of that group.  They won't let us in.  Why would they?

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              raphjd Forum Administrator
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              Ah, so we become Venezuela and everything will become wonderful.

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                likegoodmen
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                @raphjd:

                Ah, so we become Venezuela and everything will become wonderful.

                I see you think this sh*t's a joke (America-warning, this is another video centered around America.

                Youtube Video

                These are real people. Real. Does that mean nothing to you?


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                  raphjd Forum Administrator
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                  I thought socialism was the left's utopian dream?!  I guess it's a "shit joke" by the left, then.

                  Of course, it's real people.  Real people that the left denies (or ignores) are suffering under their utopian dream.

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                    furio111
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                    Income-wise people are moving between brackets so opportunities should be there.
                    Youtube Video

                    People should have have the opportunity to pursue their own dreams. But you can't ensure the success of every pursuit.
                    Under free-enterprise all people live better then under socialists.

                    Concerning hard work - I think it is about working on your skills and investing in other longer-term capital.
                    Or if you have that habit of hard work - you will be better off than others in similar situation.
                    But that is not something I know a lot about :).

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                      furio111
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                      Anyway prices on medicine and services are high.
                      If Trump cant do something about it I have no idea who can.

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                        raphjd Forum Administrator
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                        In the UK, OTC drugs are very expensive compared to the US.

                        This is because the UK government did a bit of horse trading with drug companies and allow them to price gouge OTC drugs and nonNHS prescription drugs while keeping NHS drugs cheap.

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                          likegoodmen
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                          @raphjd:

                          I thought socialism was the left's utopian dream?!   I guess it's a "shit joke" by the left, then.

                          Of course, it's real people.   Real people that the left denies (or ignores) are suffering under their utopian dream.

                          Wealth inequality and inequity is capitalism's design. The video I showed you is a detailing of the suffering America is experiencing under capitalism- that is the system we're living in now, and the only segment of the left that supports it is the corporate left. Because, get this, they're rich.

                          We've never had socialism in America. Everyone on the gd* planet knows that.

                          Are you high or something? Because that wasn't even a joke. Nobody mistakes capitalism for socialism.


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                            raphjd Forum Administrator
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                            Ah, so in your racism of low expectations, you are saying that the brown people in Venezuela aren't capable of doing socialism right, but white America is.

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                              likegoodmen
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                              @raphjd:

                              Ah, so in your racism of low expectations, you are saying that the brown people in Venezuela aren't capable of doing socialism right, but white America is.

                              If you reply to my posts, you have to actually engage with that post's content. You can't completely defer to an issue you claim you have greater knowledge in thinking that supports your argument better.

                              I never brought up Venezuela. Because I was replying to a previous poster who was talking about capitalism in - I believe - a capitalist nation.

                              Now you're claiming I'm a racist because I'm staying on-topic and because I realize that different people run things differently. To say nothing of how the video in my source argued that we could still live in a functioning economy under capitalism, once purged of its crony components.

                              Is this forum just your audition to be the new Milo Yiannopoulos?


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                              • raphjdR Offline
                                raphjd Forum Administrator
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                                LOL, Mr Deflection crying about not being on topic.

                                BTW, "socialized medicine sucks"  is the topic.

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                                  aadam101
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                                  @furio111:

                                  Anyway prices on medicine and services are high.
                                  If Trump cant do something about it I have no idea who can.

                                  Bezos is working on it as we speak.  Jeff Bezos is far more successful than Trump has ever been.  He will figure it out.

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                                    furio111
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                                    Not successful enough to become a president though.

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