Socialized medicine sucks
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Because he is more populist so he would sign congress bill on that.
And I think Paul Ryan almost gave you some form of ocare2.0 with insurance companies bailouts (but was not able to).More conservative way is deregulation and jobs and it looks like they are successful at it.
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If you want decent medical care in the UK, you need to have insurance. How is that better than in the US?!
Beauracrats decide what treatments you can have (or not) and most of the time it's politically motivated, like the breast cancer treatment I mentioned above. The criteria for treatments are ever changing and you are always chasing that elusive "criteria met" letter saying you can now get the treatment you need.
As I have pointed out several times before, the NHS is quite sexist in how they dole out treatments, or not.
There is also a massive problem with "postcode lottery" in the NHS. If you live in one postcode you may get a treatment, but if you live across the street in a different postcode you may be denied the treatment.
You are at the mercy of politicians as to what medical services you can get. Mental health, dermatology, and many other specialties are extremely difficult to get through the NHS. Where I live, unless you are committed to the state loony bin (which is over full), you have to go through a charity or a private clinic to get mental health help.
I know my pathetic stalker won't have the balls or mental ability to discuss this.
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If you want decent medical care in the UK, you need to have insurance. How is that better than in the US?!
Beauracrats decide what treatments you can have (or not) and most of the time it's politically motivated, like the breast cancer treatment I mentioned above. The criteria for treatments are ever changing and you are always chasing that elusive "criteria met" letter saying you can now get the treatment you need.
As I have pointed out several times before, the NHS is quite sexist in how they dole out treatments, or not.
There is also a massive problem with "postcode lottery" in the NHS. If you live in one postcode you may get a treatment, but if you live across the street in a different postcode you may be denied the treatment.
You are at the mercy of politicians as to what medical services you can get. Mental health, dermatology, and many other specialties are extremely difficult to get through the NHS. Where I live, unless you are committed to the state loony bin (which is over full), you have to go through a charity or a private clinic to get mental health help.
I know my pathetic stalker won't have the balls or mental ability to discuss this.
Once again you are describing we have the in the US today. CEO's and employers decide which care I can get. Unless I am in a Union, I don't have any say in it at all. I'm at the mercy of what my employer and the insurance company CEO decide.
You should be thankful that you have state loony bins. Most Republican Governors closed them all in the 90's. This has contributed to the rise in mental health issues like drug addiction.
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I have to pay twice if I want adequate health care; high taxes and insurance. Your narrative is ruined by that.
There are lots of drugs and treatments that you can't get on the NHS but can get privately (insurance and/or self-pay). This means the government agrees they are safe and effective, but they don't want to pay for it. This list grows bigger all the time. I gave some examples earlier, but my sciatica won't be treated properly because the surgery is no longer allowed on the NHS. Nope, I have to do injections 4 - 6 times a day to deaden the nerve. Quality of life doesn't mean shit to the NHS/government and that's why they keep adding those things to the list they don't cover.
The UK state loony bins are part of the prison system or they are private. The guy who killed MP Jo Cox should have been in a loony bin, but he and his family couldn't afford it and he wasn't sent to one in a criminal court. Well, now he's in one for murdering an MP. Many times, people sent to prison loony bins are let go due to overcrowding and are walking free within a couple of days.
"Care in the community" is the current fad in the NHS. Rather than keeping people in hospitals, loony bins, etc, etc they put them back in the community and hope some charity or local council will deal with them. This is costing the local councils a fortune and so council taxes have to go up to match the costs or we lose services.
As the NHS is part of the government, they rubber stamp things that most medical groups would reject outright. We see this with trash incinerators. The NHS rubber-stamped an incinerator in my area that will be put right next to an elementary school and the plum plotter shows the smoke will blow into the neighborhood.
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I have to pay twice if I want adequate health care; high taxes and insurance. Your narrative is ruined by that.
There are lots of drugs and treatments that you can't get on the NHS but can get privately (insurance and/or self-pay). This means the government agrees they are safe and effective, but they don't want to pay for it. This list grows bigger all the time. I gave some examples earlier, but my sciatica won't be treated properly because the surgery is no longer allowed on the NHS. Nope, I have to do injections 4 - 6 times a day to deaden the nerve. Quality of life doesn't mean shit to the NHS/government and that's why they keep adding those things to the list they don't cover.
The UK state loony bins are part of the prison system or they are private. The guy who killed MP Jo Cox should have been in a loony bin, but he and his family couldn't afford it and he wasn't sent to one in a criminal court. Well, now he's in one for murdering an MP. Many times, people sent to prison loony bins are let go due to overcrowding and are walking free within a couple of days.
"Care in the community" is the current fad in the NHS. Rather than keeping people in hospitals, loony bins, etc, etc they put them back in the community and hope some charity or local council will deal with them. This is costing the local councils a fortune and so council taxes have to go up to match the costs or we lose services.
As the NHS is part of the government, they rubber stamp things that most medical groups would reject outright. We see this with trash incinerators. The NHS rubber-stamped an incinerator in my area that will be put right next to an elementary school and the plum plotter shows the smoke will blow into the neighborhood.
Everything you are describing is the same system we have in the US. The only difference is that CEO's are making billions.
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It's not the same.
Paying sky-high taxes and having to pay insurance to get adequate medical care isn't the same as only having to pay for insurance.
Also, the NHS pays top-level managers for higher salaries than private UK medical hospitals/clinics.
If the UK and US are the same in the health care systems, then why does the left always tell us we need a UK style NHS?! The answer is simple, you guys look at the utopian idea and ignore the reality of the situation.
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I'm not saying they are the same. I'm only saying that the problems you are describing are the same. The biggest difference are the middle man insurance company CEO's who provide little value but suck up a ton of money from the system that could be better spent on care.
There are lots of drugs and treatments that you can't get on the NHS but can get privately (insurance and/or self-pay). This means the government agrees they are safe and effective, but they don't want to pay for it.
We have the exact same issue in the US. A CEO or an employer decides they don't want to pay and the person has to pay privately.
The UK state loony bins are part of the prison system or they are private. The guy who killed MP Jo Cox should have been in a loony bin, but he and his family couldn't afford it and he wasn't sent to one in a criminal court. Well, now he's in one for murdering an MP. Many times, people sent to prison loony bins are let go due to overcrowding and are walking free within a couple of days.
As I said, be thankful you have state loony bins at all. Most of ours were shut down by Republicans 25 years ago. Now we have a serious mental health issue in this country. We have a huge number of drug overdoses and we are the only country who has regular mass shootings.
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My point remains the same. The NHS is shit and leftists keep demanding the US go to that, rather than it's current system.
In the UK, you are forced to pay sky-high taxes for very basic medical care and if you want decent medical care after that, then you need to have insurance which isn't cheap.
It's nearly impossible to get a GP appointment in the NHS due to the fact that they are free and everyone running to them for even the most basic things like the sniffles.
In Scotland, prescriptions are free so people run to their GPs for everything, including aspirin which is extremely cheap over the counter. HOWEVER, it costs nearly £8 to process (write and fill, not counting GP appointment) a prescription making that £1 pack of aspirin cost the NHS nearly £9.
You'd expect business CEOs and employees to make decent money, but that's now the UK works. Senior management and above make tons of cash in government jobs. Thanks to Tony Blair, each hospital boss makes at least £4 million. Who knows what they are making now, a decade later. The guy that took over my old local hospital was making £150 for managing 10 BUPA hospitals but quit to become the boss of my local hospital and made £4.75 million under the NHS.
Remember one thing. The government doesn't care about you and your ability to pay, they will always get their money from you. If you can't afford your insurance you cancel it. You don't have that option for NHS payments.
Life expectancy in the UK is 1.9 years longer than the US. Remove obesity and the UK has a 6 year lower life expectancy. UK obesity rates are fast catching the US, so in a decade or so, even including that, life expectancy in the UK will be lower.
When you look at mortality rates, especially western ones, you will notice that the US is right in the mix with the countries with an NHS. Except for "external causes" (accidents, suicides, etc), the US wasn't the country with the highest death rate. As an example, death to circulatory system diseases, the US came in 4th after Austria, Germany, and Sweden.
The US has the 4th highest cancer survival rate, after Switzerland, Japan, and Sweden (respectively).
The UK has the highest death rate for respiratory diseases.
The US has the highest rate of death due to nervous system disease. This is mostly due to diabetes related nerve death. As I said before, if we exclude obesity, then the US does pretty well in this category.
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There was a hammer attack, which nearly killed 2 women (won't somebody think about the wahmens?!), near London recently.
It was committed by a nutter who, in 2010, was "sectioned" (UK term for being committed by a court) to the loony bin. Instead of taking proper care of the then "kid", they gave him some pills and sent him on his way for "care in the community".
"Care in the community" is the NHS's way to save tons of cash by ignoring their responsibility to take care of people and leaving them to sort themselves out and/or hope there's a charity to help them. Oddly, with this cash savings and added burden on communities, our taxes keep going up to fund the NHS. Local councils have to spend their money to take up a lot of the slack caused by this mess. Our taxes, of every sort and new ones always being created, keep going up while services keep getting cut.
This is part of the utopian healthcare system leftists are demanding the US go to.
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As noted several times before, I'm the chairman of my local council and I see first hand the shite created by the NHS failing to do it's duty of caring for people properly.
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Remember one thing. The government doesn't care about you and your ability to pay, they will always get their money from you. If you can't afford your insurance you cancel it. You don't have that option for NHS payments.
Wrong. You don't just cancel insurance in the US. Very few people have that option. For most people, you have the insurance that your employer provides. Period. You don't have a choice.
What CEO cares about you? The governments job is to serve the people. A CEO's job is to increase value for shareholders. It's much easier to vote out a politician than it is to get rid of a CEO.
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Wrong.
Government establishes bureaucracy and its job is to serve their own rules. And you have no control over it.
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I currently live in a contry with public healthcare (Brazil), and while it's not perfect, there are several things that surprised me about this system that I think many people in the U.S. don't realize:
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Public health systems are basically not for profit. All money that comes into the system returns in some form, with no owners or shareholders taking a cut;
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Since the govenment pays for the patients medicine, it's in its best interest to lower the medicines price. That means generic drugs are prescribed whenever possible. While generic drugs are available in the U.S., they are not ofently prescribed since the system runs for profit and brand-name drugs are far more profitable;
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Public healthcare do not completly replace private healthcare, if nothing else it makes it more competitive. By providing a base level health standard, the system pushes the private sector out of the emergencies / basic healthcare and into state of the art treatments. And because there is always a fallback option in the public healthcare, the private options need to be resonably priced to convince people that it's even worth considering.
Needless to say, those points are all incredbly threatening to the owners and shareholders of the companies running healthcare in the U.S. Running a good public healthcare system requires killing profits for some very influential people. That is always a very difficult thing to do.
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Remember one thing. The government doesn't care about you and your ability to pay, they will always get their money from you. If you can't afford your insurance you cancel it. You don't have that option for NHS payments.
Wrong. You don't just cancel insurance in the US. Very few people have that option. For most people, you have the insurance that your employer provides. Period. You don't have a choice.
What CEO cares about you? The governments job is to serve the people. A CEO's job is to increase value for shareholders. It's much easier to vote out a politician than it is to get rid of a CEO.
So you are crying about employer-subsidized health insurance?
When I lived in Houston, my employer paid 100% of my health insurance, as part of the employee benefits.
In the UK, employers say that we have the NHS, so if they offer health insurance the employee has to pay for 100% of it. Sure, you get cheaper insurance due to being in a "group" policy.
Gordon Brown, while UK Chancellor under Tony Blair, said that if we (people living in the UK) couldn't pay our bills, to put it on credit cards and to take out loans. This was after Labour jacked up virtually every tax in the UK. They even moved VAT (sales tax) to be put at the end of the line so you pay VAT on all the other taxes/charges/surcharges.
The UK (like most of the US) has a 999 (911) tax, charge and surcharge (YES, all 3) added to our phone bills. We pay VAT on all of those.
When I fill up my car, I pay several taxes, charges, and surcharges, then I pay VAT on all of that as well as the price of the fuel.
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I currently live in a contry with public healthcare (Brazil), and while it's not perfect, there are several things that surprised me about this system that I think many people in the U.S. don't realize:
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Public health systems are basically not for profit. All money that comes into the system returns in some form, with no owners or shareholders taking a cut;
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Since the govenment pays for the patients medicine, it's in its best interest to lower the medicines price. That means generic drugs are prescribed whenever possible. While generic drugs are available in the U.S., they are not ofently prescribed since the system runs for profit and brand-name drugs are far more profitable;
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Public healthcare do not completly replace private healthcare, if nothing else it makes it more competitive. By providing a base level health standard, the system pushes the private sector out of the emergencies / basic healthcare and into state of the art treatments. And because there is always a fallback option in the public healthcare, the private options need to be resonably priced to convince people that it's even worth considering.
Needless to say, those points are all incredbly threatening to the owners and shareholders of the companies running healthcare in the U.S. Running a good public healthcare system requires killing profits for some very influential people. That is always a very difficult thing to do.
I guess Brazil is free of government corruption that the rest of the world has.
As I pointed out, government employees quite often make much more than business employees do for the same work.
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- Public health systems are basically not for profit. All money that comes into the system returns in some form, with no owners or shareholders taking a cut;
And that is the piece that is different in the US. Republicans are good at one thing. They have done a great job of convincing people that it's more important for CEO's in the 1% to get their cut of absolutely everything than it is for people to have healthcare and living wages. We are actually at a point where citizens are valuing other peoples money over their own lives and the lives of their families. It's really sick. This is what Americans call "free-dumb"
They have sold people this false sale of goods. They sold them a dream that if they work hard enough they will be wealthy one day. It's not true. The 1% doesn't allow newcomers.
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Ok, the divide is clear.
Leftists think that government employees should be raking in all the dough and not private sector employees.
Ass rape is ass rape regardless of who's doing it.
The huge difference is that the private sector has to compete to keep their doors open, while the government can just shit all over the taxpayers without a care.
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They sold them a dream that if they work hard enough they will be wealthy one day. It's not true. The 1% doesn't allow newcomers.
Why would reasonable person care about becoming 1%? I guess it is like winning a lottery in many ways.
No socialist politician can help anybody except for themselves to achieve that.
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Leftists keep telling us how shitty the US system is while praising the world's NHS system, namely the UK's.
I imagine that everything sucks all over for healthcare. Mankind is not a reliable animal. Oh, sure, I hear "hope" stories every now and then. But in America, it's true that you just have to live carefully (even though nobody does) and cross your fingers nothing ever happens to you.
I'm an American and it's like a roll of the dice over here. If you're born into the right family, you don't worry about health care. Someone else takes care of it for you. If your parents are from the right generation, their worker's compensation includes health care through their policy insurers. Of course, my mother was rushed to the hospital when her breathing nearly stopped and at the hospital, they didn't inform the staff that she wasn't allowed to eat solid foods. For 48 hours, she had food clogging her esophagus… Guess what? SURGERY! They inserted a tube through her ribcage and... after 3 months of "recovery" from that, she was never able to sleep horizontally ever again.
She went home, where she emotionally collapsed into depression and a slow exhaustion from sleeping sitting up. She fell one night sleeping at her kitchen table, hit her head and died.
And she had fine insurance. That barely covered the ambulance ride, my father tells me. Which was more money than I make in years of my lifespan. It's certainly more money than I spend in years.
My father also has me on his insurance plan. So, if I have a fever or an infection- my stay at the hospital is completely paid for.
BUT... I had no insurance until Obama's plan made it mandatory. I said: that sounds scary. I can't afford this, that... My father arranged everything for me. My Trump-voting father. Who told me: this is so terrible.
THEN... wouldn't you know it? I get sick. I'm losing weight like the sun is eating me. My skin feels like it's on fire. They're giving me Morphine at the hospital and I don't even feel it. They stick me with so many needles, I'm on the verge of tears. And I've never cried during a shot.
But: everything was paid for. I never heard a word about bills. I don't even know how it happened. It's been a year. My father saw me sick and he started freaking out.
So... some people are lucky. But if it was easy, you wouldn't hear about people who wound up in the hospital and then are paying medical bills for decades. I hear people with bills from the 90's are still paying them. My best friend's mother was in the hospital and doing a Kickstarter / Go Fund Me for help. I KNOW HER! I KNOW THAT WOMAN! She was insanely kind to me as a child. She's not making this up. Any system where she can't afford medical treatment by herself has real problems.
So... No. I don't buy that America's system works fine for everyone. My own mother was proof of that.
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I doubt anyone will ever say the American system is perfect. It's far from it.
The problem is that liberals/leftists say it's total shit and we need a UK style NHS, which is total shit.
My local GP office ("surgery" in the UK) rarely has any "non-emergency" appointments available. You have to call every Monday to see if they have any appointments available for the week. You have to go through a 2 point "triage" system (receptionist, nurse and then a doctor) in order to get an appointment. You literally have to sit by your phone waiting for them to call you back. The Triage nurse will call you back a few hours after you originally call and you have to explain everything again. If she likes what you say, then she'll have the triage doctor call you back. If you pass that hurdle, then you can get an appointment. Even if it's an emergency (not A&E level) you may still not get an appointment and told to call again the next morning to see if you can get an appointment.
NHS contracts are getting worse, despite constantly increasing amounts of money being spent on it. My local GP office was a private business under an NHS contract and they closed their doors due to not being able to keep going under the NHS contract. The NHS now has direct control over the practice and things are far worse than before.
The UK severely restricts what you can buy OTC. Even things that are commonly sold OTC everywhere else in the western world. You are also restricted in how much you can buy. You can only buy 2 days worth of cold pills at a time unless you go to several different pharmacies.
In the US, you can go into Walgreens and buy countless OTC things without thinking about it. In the UK, you have OTC, OTC Restricted, and Prescription.
Looking at Walgreens acne page tells the story. There are a lot of OTC products on there that require a prescription in the UK. Sadly, you can't get an appointment to get a prescription. Just reading the headline of the product (not the full description), just over 50% of the products require a prescription in the UK and about 25% are OTC Restricted. If I read the full description it would probably even worse.
For reference, "OTC Restricted" is where the pharmacy tech has to ask you 1,001 question before deciding if you can buy it or not.
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They sold them a dream that if they work hard enough they will be wealthy one day. It's not true. The 1% doesn't allow newcomers.
Why would reasonable person care about becoming 1%? I guess it is like winning a lottery in many ways.
No socialist politician can help anybody except for themselves to achieve that.
And businesses profits are bound by competitors unless those benevolent politicians help them to be monopolistic.Because American kids are sold this dream based on a lie. They are told at a very young age that if they work hard they can grow up and be whatever they want to be. It's just not true. Its true for people who already have money but the rest of us will never be a part of that group. They won't let us in. Why would they?
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