"Planned Parenthood"?
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NOPE, didn't drop it because that is you point. You believe that the state murdering innocent men prevents crime.
You are advocating "fishnet justice" in hopes that killing innocent men, further crimes will be prevented.
I don't think you are going as far as feminism with the 1,000 rapes requires 1,000 men to go to prison, because stupidly they believe that every single rape is done by a different man or they just hate men. Who knows which, but you do seem to be going down that road, at least a bit.
Of course you aren't arguing individual cases, but you are arguing for innocent individuals to be murdered by the state. You're like the farmer who doesn't name his cows because he's gonna kill them at the end of the year.
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So, I'm not paying but everyone is paying. So none of my money is part of "everyone's money". Yeah, ok.
Originally, I was pointing out that we don't need PP because, even the vaginalists admitted before Congress, the same services are provided elsewhere.
After that, I was talking about your reason that we NEED abortions and how that is just as fucked up as your reason for justifying murdering innocent men to prevent crime.
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So, I'm not paying but everyone is paying. So none of my money is part of "everyone's money". Yeah, ok.
Originally, I was pointing out that we don't need PP because, even the vaginalists admitted before Congress, the same services are provided elsewhere.
After that, I was talking about your reason that we NEED abortions and how that is just as fucked up as your reason for justifying murdering innocent men to prevent crime.
Let's keep the death penalty in that other thread.
If the bolded is too abstract for you, well, then it's too abstract. Either you understand and you're being stubborn because you dislike admitting you're wrong or you can't conceptualize that it's not just your money but everyone's money and so any statement that begins with some variation of "I'm paying for" is inflammatory rhetoric that is attempting to argue from emotion.
As for PP, with the number of anti-abortion laws being put on the books across the US PP might very well be the last option for women to get an abortion. I have not researched it but that seems to be what the general theme I'm hearing, which sounds probable.
As to abortions, they are needed. There are some states where there are only one or two abortion clinics. They might not be needed in large urban areas but in the bible belt and midwest there seems to be a need.
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I'm just mesmerized as men, how much we've got to talk about a subject that doesn't involve us at all.
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I'm just mesmerized as men, how much we've got to talk about a subject that doesn't involve us at all.
Hmm.. babies have nothing to do with men?
I would venture to say that even most GAY men have a child or two.. -
I'm just mesmerized as men, how much we've got to talk about a subject that doesn't involve us at all.
Hmm.. babies have nothing to do with men?
I would venture to say that even most GAY men have a child or two..Abortion is not about babies, it's about pregnancy. A baby is a fully developed fetus, outside of the mother's womb.
And yes, men have a role on pregnancy but it is women who carry it and face the difficulties so the last word should be theirs, not ours.
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Women have 100% of the say in whether we are fathers of not. So why should I pay for her abortion?
Her body, her choice, her wallet
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Women have 100% of the say in whether we are fathers of not.
If men opt to wear a condom, they can pretty much rule out unplanned fatherhood.
Why do you make such easily disproved and absurd remarks?
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Women have 100% of the say in whether we are fathers of not.
If men opt to wear a condom, they can pretty much rule out unplanned fatherhood.
Why do you make such easily disproved and absurd remarks?
Meme thinking: it's easy to argue from extreme points than look at issues in their complexity. Hyperbole can be an effective tool when used well. When used well.
Anyway, we learned that raphjd does women. Apparently, he's knocked a few up, too. ::)
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Abortion is not about babies, it's about pregnancy. A baby is a fully developed fetus, outside of the mother's womb.
And yes, men have a role on pregnancy but it is women who carry it and face the difficulties so the last word should be theirs, not ours.
You're thinking of it in terms of gender when there are just as many women who believe it is wrong for a woman to take the life of her unborn baby. Were all the men to disentangle them from all the policy you'd still have the same fight.
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Is it the states responsibility to pay for such services offered by places like PP?
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Should our collected monies be used to pay for something that goes against the belief systems of a portion of the contributors?
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Since abortion is currently protectedby judgments made in the Supreme Court, should the federal government intervene in state laws that are trying to restrict abortions?
See. There's no reason men and women can't discuss this.
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I'm just mesmerized as men, how much we've got to talk about a subject that doesn't involve us at all.
Hmm.. babies have nothing to do with men?
I would venture to say that even most GAY men have a child or two..Abortion is not about babies, it's about pregnancy. A baby is a fully developed fetus, outside of the mother's womb.
And yes, men have a role on pregnancy but it is women who carry it and face the difficulties so the last word should be theirs, not ours.
Is your last name "Clinton" by any chance?
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Women have 100% of the say in whether we are fathers of not.
If men opt to wear a condom, they can pretty much rule out unplanned fatherhood.
Why do you make such easily disproved and absurd remarks?
Uh.. the ladies are known to do things such as poke a pinhole in a condom to get pregnant. That is quite common. Also, condoms do break and fall off. Some bitch could easily take a filled condom and intentionally transfer the sea monkeys in it to her vag. A lot of males will not or at least hate wearing condoms.
I jsuggest that guys should never have sex with a female unless they are intending to have a baby. Otherwise, they should have sex with other guys or masturbate.. hehe..
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Uh.. the ladies are known to do things such as poke a pinhole in a condom to get pregnant. That is quite common. Also, condoms do break and fall off. Some bitch could easily take a filled condom and intentionally transfer the sea monkeys in it to her vag. A lot of males will not or at least hate wearing condoms.
Why do you answer questions explicitly directed to other people?
Shouldn't you, instead, be busy ironing someone's underwear?
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Again for the SJWs;
Her body, her choice, her wallet. If we can't regulate their vaginas, then we have no business paying for their abortions.
Also, doesn't Obama-care force abortion coverage on insurers?
At least, the bullshit argument that since it was a legal right, that we should have to pay for it has been dropped.
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Uh.. the ladies are known to do things such as poke a pinhole in a condom to get pregnant. That is quite common. Also, condoms do break and fall off. Some bitch could easily take a filled condom and intentionally transfer the sea monkeys in it to her vag. A lot of males will not or at least hate wearing condoms.
Why do you answer questions explicitly directed to other people?
Is that some new rule that I'm not aware of to kill all activity in the forum?
When you make absurd comments, you must consider that there may be consequences for them.
By the way… there is another problem with condoms. A lot of people don't use them consistently.
For instance, the guy always has a condom in his wallet, and puts it on... but before having an orgasm he loses his erection... the condom comes off and is covered with pre-cum.. and is damned near impossible to get back on.. and he doesn't have another.. yet he's hard again. Hmm...
Also, the guy might use the condom and have an orgasm.. but then is still horny and ready for round two.. only a second condom is not around.. hmmm..
Or.. guy usually has a condom.. but not at the time that he needs one... hmm...
Or... someone else brought a condom, but it's a super magnum extra large, so it doesn't fit... or it's a teeny tiny condom that doesn't fit.. hmm.. -
See. There's no reason men and women can't discuss this.
We both can discuss it but all I'm saying is women's voice should lead this discussion. We men -naturally- have lack of empathy on this subject.
Is your last name "Clinton" by any chance?
…says The Donald.
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Uh.. the ladies are known to do things such as poke a pinhole in a condom to get pregnant. That is quite common. Also, condoms do break and fall off. Some bitch could easily take a filled condom and intentionally transfer the sea monkeys in it to her vag. A lot of males will not or at least hate wearing condoms.
Why would a woman that desperately tries to get pregnant need abortion services?
If a condom breaks up during sex, is this the woman's fault?
I jsuggest that guys should never have sex with a female unless they are intending to have a baby. Otherwise, they should have sex with other guys or masturbate.. hehe..
Exactly. Straight sex always have a chance of pregnancy. If men can't face the consequences of that situation, then they should keep their willies in their panties. That's called responsibility.
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Lot's of women are on the pill, until the "opps" moment. This is especially true if you are rich and famous.
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At least, the bullshit argument that since it was a legal right, that we should have to pay for it has been dropped.
I'll agree with that.
Anyone have an answer for why the government should provide funding to PP?
What comes to mind is that the federal and state governments are there to protect the general welfare of the citizenry. Polio was eradicated in our country by government subsidies, for example. There are some really interesting graphs online that show the number of children given to orphanages and foster care plotted against crime rates. The data shows that after Roe v Wade the number of children who were abandoned decreased and there was a long-term drop in crime. Anecdotally, if you look and movies and TV shows pre and post the number of storylines about a child being taken in by other family members have all but disappeared. If true, that's a public good.
Healthcare has not been/is not a right in the US, so low-cost options like PP served a purpose for lower-income women providing pap smears, breast exams, etc. That's also a public good. If the US does ever get national healthcare, there's a good argument it should defund PP.
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Let's drop the "health" argument as that's done through various outlets, including health clinics for the poor run by cities and counties.
When we lived in Houston, I used to take a friend with HIV to the city health clinic in our "area" of town. That clinic provided services for anyone who was poor. If you needed hospital treatment, they sent you to the county hospital. Same thing in Chicago. My hometown turned the old hospital into a medical center for the not so well off. You pay on a sliding scale, based on ability to pay.
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As I've previously mentioned, there's the video of the vaginalist being questioned by Congressman Trey Gowdy in a Congressional hearing. She admitted that PP is not needed as it's services are available through other means. She also grudgingly admitted that PP is a problem in abortion funding because it's a flashpoint on the topic.
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If you listen to black identitarians, you will hear how abortion is genocide against blacks because of the high abortion rates for blacks compared to other races. Of course, they blame whites for the rates of abortions by blacks.
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Crime rates have been declining. That is true. HOWEVER, it doesn't match abortion rates.
If you look at year on year crime rates, then compare that to the years abortions have been legal and a number of abortions, you will see that crime rates kept going up after Roe v Wade.
In 1960, violent crime rates were much lower than they have been since. 1990 - 1994 were the years with the highest violent crime rates. That's 20 years after RvW.
Between 1973 (RvW) and 2002, violent crime rates spiked. Only 1974 and 1975 had lower violent crime rates, but barely. Oddly, 1975 had an overall spike in crime rates, but a minor drop in violent crimes.
Even with the current downward trend of violent crimes, it's still more than double that of 1960.
I'm betting that you looked at the Justice Department's graph on violent crime since RvW. Of course, you would still have to ignore the 20 years spike. You need to look at the longer graphs to get a true picture of the violent crime rates.
SO, DOES ABORTION LOWER CRIME RATES?! FUCK NO!!!
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While the article is about the recent Texas church shooting, it brings up an interesting point that fits perfectly with this topic.
Under federal and military law (and some state laws), it's illegal to kill a fetus unless it's in your pussy. If it's in your own pussy, then you can stab the shit out of it with knitting needles all day long.
You don't want to be a mom, you can kill it. I don't want to be a dad, oh fucking well.
Hmm, I think I see an issue of gender equality that feminists need to fix. But you know they won't because they are vaginalists.
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