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    • FrederickF Offline
      Frederick
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      @cteavin:

      Your post doesn' make any sense.

      @raphjd:

      Sounds like we have a closet SJW/feminist here.

      Who are you talking about?

      @raphjd:

      JUST BELIEVE, despite Lacy Green never being thrown in prison for raping 4 million people

      What is this about?

      @raphjd:

      Oddly, cteavin wants to wrongfully punish more people than feminists.    Feminists only want to punish 2% to 8% (their figure) of falsely accused, but cteavin wants to wrongfully execute 10%.

      You're taking that out of context. As of now, neither you nor Fred have answered the question I put forth. I'll ask it again:

      Will you prevent 99 guilty people from going to prison to save one person wrongly accused or will you falsely imprison one person so that 99 guilty people go to jail?

      It's a serious question. US law is founded on the former but I support the latter.

      Here is a thorough link which covers this topic.. and here is a summary
      10% Blackstone /British law is said to set the bar at  10 guilty go free to prevent an innocent from going to jail
        1% Benjamin Franklin / US Law set the bar at 100 guilty go free to prevent 1 innocent from going to jail.
      -25% Pol Pot and Bismark set the bar at 4 INNOCENTS go to jail to prevent 1 guilty from going free.
      25% Dick Cheney set the bar at 4 non-citizen guilty go free to prevent 1 non-citizen innocent going to jail.

      I will stick with the Benjamin Franklin model.

      This is similar to the theory of lower speed limits save lives.  At what point do you drop the speed limit to prevent deaths?

      BUT  I'm glad I brought this topic up.. because I now realize that it is an issue that doesn't have a right or wrong answer.    Therefore, I will avoid this premise in the future.

      My mistake was offering that as a premise.

      I am glad that this premise got tested because it has prevented me from making a mistake in the future.  
      I have come up with a much better premise which I will post in a new message very shortly.

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      • raphjdR Offline
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        Nothing was taken out of context.

        You support executing innocent men.  I say, MEN because women most often get the pussy pass and avoid the death penalty, even for the most heinous crimes.

        You don't mind if 10% of those executed are innocent.  That is fucked up.    Even feminists only want to punish 2% to 8% of men who are innocent.

        To answer your question;  NO INNOCENT MAN SHOULD BE SENT TO PRISON OR EXECUTED.

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        • F Offline
          flozen
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          @raphjd:

          JUST BELIEVE, despite Lacy Green never being thrown in prison for raping 4 million people…

          Feminists only want to punish 2% to 8% (their figure) of falsely accused...

          OK, so I found Lacy by Googling, she's a bit of a youthful, naive Internet mess, though I'm all for the defense of Planned Parenthood and better sex education.

          As far as her "raping 4 million people," citation, please?  And, hyperbole much?

          This 2% to 8% thing – citation, please?  (A nice way of saying, what are you talking about?)

          Understand, most of us do not spend 12 hours a day sifting through the annals of alt-right misogyny postings, and then sit there, seething, until we vent our spleen with details so obscure, conflated and/or skewed that the rest of us are simply unable to follow.

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          • raphjdR Offline
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            Gotta love the uneducated misandrist left.  They claim that western women are oppressed, but can't give even 1 issue that hasn't been debunked or that's not laughable.

            ANYWHOOOOOO,

            As a feminist cuck, you should already know all this.  Or are you one of those cucks that just pipe up in agreement whenever your feminist overlords says something without caring what she says?

            Lacy Green (and many other feminists) did a series of videos about sexual assault and rape and the JUST BELIEVE campaign.  JUST BELIEVE is where you don't question a female who cries rape, you just believe.    Anyway, Lacy said that no one, but especially females, never, ever lie about sexual assault and rape.

            Anyway,  as a backlash, people (males and females) flocked to Lacy Green's various social media accounts and accused her of sexually assaulting and/or raping them.  It was estimated 4 million people this.    Based on the JUST BELIEVE campaign, Lacy Green should have been locked up immediately, but because she has a vag, she got away with it contrary to the campaign she was an active leader of.

            Most feminists say that only 2% of rape claims are false.  If you do a bit of Googling, you will see that this is comes from a judge's speech and he got the figure from a pamphlet by a feminist group.    A few years ago, some feminists finally started admitting this.  As far as I know, Rebecca Watson was the 1st to admit that is was higher, but still only 8%.    Of course, there are studies that show it's higher than than the 2% to 8% feminists claim.

            We've gone over this stuff here plenty of times before and it still shocks the fuck out of me that feminist cucks never seem to know any of this stuff.    In another couple of weeks I'll have to explain this exact same shit to another feminist cuck, because they've never heard of it.  yada, yada, yada…..............  It's never ending.

            It's like the "white people go around" anti-white racist event at Berkeley.  I posted about it when it happened and have to explain it countless times because SJWs have no fucking idea what it is.

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            • FrederickF Offline
              Frederick
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              @raphjd:

              Gotta love the uneducated misandrist left.   They claim that western women are oppressed, but can't give even 1 issue that hasn't been debunked or that's not laughable.

              ANYWHOOOOOO,

              As a feminist cuck, you should already know all this.   Or are you one of those cucks that just pipe up in agreement whenever your feminist overlords says something without caring what she says?

              Lacy Green (and many other feminists) did a series of videos about sexual assault and rape and the JUST BELIEVE campaign.   JUST BELIEVE is where you don't question a female who cries rape, you just believe.     Anyway, Lacy said that no one, but especially females, never, ever lie about sexual assault and rape.

              Anyway,  as a backlash, people (males and females) flocked to Lacy Green's various social media accounts and accused her of sexually assaulting and/or raping them.  It was estimated 4 million people this.     Based on the JUST BELIEVE campaign, Lacy Green should have been locked up immediately, but because she has a vag, she got away with it contrary to the campaign she was an active leader of.

              Most feminists say that only 2% of rape claims are false.  If you do a bit of Googling, you will see that this is comes from a judge's speech and he got the figure from a pamphlet by a feminist group.     A few years ago, some feminists finally started admitting this.  As far as I know, Rebecca Watson was the 1st to admit that is was higher, but still only 8%.    Of course, there are studies that show it's higher than than the 2% to 8% feminists claim.

              We've gone over this stuff here plenty of times before and it still shocks the fuck out of me that feminist cucks never seem to know any of this stuff.    In another couple of weeks I'll have to explain this exact same shit to another feminist cuck, because they've never heard of it.  yada, yada, yada…..............   It's never ending.

              It's like the "white people go around" anti-white racist event at Berkeley.   I posted about it when it happened and have to explain it countless times because SJWs have no fucking idea what it is.

              I have nothing to gain from this… but I feel it is my duty to reveal that Lacy Green raped me too!  It was HORRIBLE!  Wahh!!!  Boo Hoo!  (anybody got Gloria Allred's number?)

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              • C Offline
                cteavin
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                @raphjd:

                To answer your question;  NO INNOCENT MAN SHOULD BE SENT TO PRISON OR EXECUTED.

                And that is not an option. It is impossible to have a perfect system where no person, over a length of time, is ever wrongly incarcerated or executed.

                So you're, Fred and raphjd, choosing to let 99 people go free to protect the chance of one innocent from being wrongly accused. Fine. That's your choice.

                What you chose is to let the guilty go back to commit more crimes. That means that the guilty who should have died or been incarcerated hurt or murder innocent people. We hear it all the time. Pedophile molests again. Illegal alien kills third victim. Convicted rapist released, caught ten years later for same crime. Just look at the statistics for repeat offenders.

                In not executing or incarcerating the guilty you make life much less safe for the average person.

                @raphjd, you seem to expect that everyone knows everything you know. To have that same knowledge will open up our third eye so that we can sing kumbaya together against the great Satan SJW.  That's not how communication works. You're not omniscient but a human being with his own biases who must live in the world with other people who know what they know. Share and discuss, don't preach and expect to be blindly followed.

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                  flozen
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                  @raphjd:

                  Gotta love the uneducated misandrist left.   They claim that western women are oppressed, but can't give even 1 issue that hasn't been debunked or that's not laughable.

                  ANYWHOOOOOO,

                  As a feminist cuck, you should already know all this.   Or are you one of those cucks that just pipe up in agreement whenever your feminist overlords says something without caring what she says?

                  Lacy Green (and many other feminists) did a series of videos about sexual assault and rape and the JUST BELIEVE campaign.   JUST BELIEVE is where you don't question a female who cries rape, you just believe.     Anyway, Lacy said that no one, but especially females, never, ever lie about sexual assault and rape.

                  Anyway,  as a backlash, people (males and females) flocked to Lacy Green's various social media accounts and accused her of sexually assaulting and/or raping them.  It was estimated 4 million people this.     Based on the JUST BELIEVE campaign, Lacy Green should have been locked up immediately, but because she has a vag, she got away with it contrary to the campaign she was an active leader of.

                  Most feminists say that only 2% of rape claims are false.  If you do a bit of Googling, you will see that this is comes from a judge's speech and he got the figure from a pamphlet by a feminist group.     A few years ago, some feminists finally started admitting this.  As far as I know, Rebecca Watson was the 1st to admit that is was higher, but still only 8%.    Of course, there are studies that show it's higher than than the 2% to 8% feminists claim.

                  We've gone over this stuff here plenty of times before and it still shocks the fuck out of me that feminist cucks never seem to know any of this stuff.    In another couple of weeks I'll have to explain this exact same shit to another feminist cuck, because they've never heard of it.  yada, yada, yada…..............   It's never ending.

                  It's like the "white people go around" anti-white racist event at Berkeley.   I posted about it when it happened and have to explain it countless times because SJWs have no fucking idea what it is.

                  Yeah, but you see, we don't care to memorize or archive your prodigious extrusions.  You write a post?  You make a claim?  Cite your sources.  Each time.

                  You humor yourself, thinking that we are "following" your posts like some celebrity's Twitter feed, or grad school lecture notes.

                  This thread of F's originally was about Trump and the death penalty – go see for yourself!  But by the bottom of page 1, you took issue with ct, and out of nowhere and apropos of nothing, you bring out the "SJW/feminist" accusation and related dogma.

                  It is so damn tiresome at this point, there will be no further response, so fire the torpedoes in your usual, classy way.

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                  • FrederickF Offline
                    Frederick
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                    @cteavin:

                    @raphjd:

                    To answer your question;  NO INNOCENT MAN SHOULD BE SENT TO PRISON OR EXECUTED.

                    And that is not an option. It is impossible to have a perfect system where no person, over a length of time, is ever wrongly incarcerated or executed.

                    So you're, Fred and raphjd, choosing to let 99 people go free to protect the chance of one innocent from being wrongly accused. Fine. That's your choice.

                    Nonsense… frankly nobody should be executed... but if you are going to execute someone, that person should be proven to be guilty without a doubt and without any shenanigans / perjury in the trial. 
                    This is why we don't have lynch mobs anymore.

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                    • FrederickF Offline
                      Frederick
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                      @flozen:

                      @raphjd:

                      Gotta love the uneducated misandrist left.   They claim that western women are oppressed, but can't give even 1 issue that hasn't been debunked or that's not laughable.

                      ANYWHOOOOOO,

                      As a feminist cuck, you should already know all this.   Or are you one of those cucks that just pipe up in agreement whenever your feminist overlords says something without caring what she says?

                      Lacy Green (and many other feminists) did a series of videos about sexual assault and rape and the JUST BELIEVE campaign.   JUST BELIEVE is where you don't question a female who cries rape, you just believe.     Anyway, Lacy said that no one, but especially females, never, ever lie about sexual assault and rape.

                      Anyway,  as a backlash, people (males and females) flocked to Lacy Green's various social media accounts and accused her of sexually assaulting and/or raping them.  It was estimated 4 million people this.     Based on the JUST BELIEVE campaign, Lacy Green should have been locked up immediately, but because she has a vag, she got away with it contrary to the campaign she was an active leader of.

                      Most feminists say that only 2% of rape claims are false.  If you do a bit of Googling, you will see that this is comes from a judge's speech and he got the figure from a pamphlet by a feminist group.     A few years ago, some feminists finally started admitting this.  As far as I know, Rebecca Watson was the 1st to admit that is was higher, but still only 8%.    Of course, there are studies that show it's higher than than the 2% to 8% feminists claim.

                      We've gone over this stuff here plenty of times before and it still shocks the fuck out of me that feminist cucks never seem to know any of this stuff.    In another couple of weeks I'll have to explain this exact same shit to another feminist cuck, because they've never heard of it.  yada, yada, yada…..............   It's never ending.

                      It's like the "white people go around" anti-white racist event at Berkeley.   I posted about it when it happened and have to explain it countless times because SJWs have no fucking idea what it is.

                      Yeah, but you see, we don't care to memorize or archive your prodigious extrusions.  You write a post?  You make a claim?  Cite your sources.  Each time.

                      You humor yourself, thinking that we are "following" your posts like some celebrity's Twitter feed, or grad school lecture notes.

                      This thread of F's originally was about Trump and the death penalty – go see for yourself!  But by the bottom of page 1, you took issue with ct, and out of nowhere and apropos of nothing, you bring out the "SJW/feminist" accusation and related dogma.

                      It is so damn tiresome at this point, there will be no further response, so fire the torpedoes in your usual, classy way.

                      This is one ripe pile of manure.  I suspect you are picking on RaphJD because you are jealous of his 9 inch cock.
                      You mentioned giving sources.  Nobody gives more sources more consistently than the two highest ranking members of this site..  and you moonbats are notorious for almost never giving sources.

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                      • F Offline
                        flozen
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                        @Frederick:

                        This is one ripe pile of manure.   I suspect you are picking on RaphJD because you are jealous of his 9 inch cock.
                        You mentioned giving sources.   Nobody gives more sources more consistently than the two highest ranking members of this site..  and you moonbats are notorious for almost never giving sources.

                        Frederick, you are at your best when you're not trying so hard to be such an apologist, and since you're provoking, someone's lackey.

                        And when you've posted prior threads that – in the title -- crow about how it will please another member, I literally cringe.  Do you also fetch?  Are you familiar with the term, cuck?

                        https://community.gaytor.rent/index.php?topic=53467.0

                        As far as providing citations to prove assertions, you have no right to criticize the centrists and thoroughly modern liberals, like yours truly.  We are diligent in that regard.

                        While we're on the topic of citations, how often have you wasted our time with nonsense citations; say, with comments about disgraced DNC Chair Donna Brazile, which you linked to the Terry Gilliam movie, Brazil?

                        https://community.gaytor.rent/index.php?topic=53653.msg291789#msg291789

                        Unfunny, bordering on sad.  And those are my citations for, and about, you.  Goodnight.

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                        • raphjdR Offline
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                          So the feminist cuck demands that every time I mention that Lacy Green raped 4 million people, I have to provide sources for it.

                          I've never claimed to be a celeb, so don't put words in my mouth.  HOWEVER, when things like the "white people go around" event is mentioned for the 5 billionth time on this site, a normal person would  think you idiots would know what it is without the need for sources every fucking time.

                          cteavin said he supports 10% of those executed being innocent.  This goes hand in hand with feminists and their cucks advocating that we JUST BELIEVE and send men to prison simply on a woman's say so, claiming that only 2% to 8% will be innocent.  In your cuckery, you either can't see how the 2 are directly related or, and most likely the case, you are so dishonest that you don't want me shining a light on the issue.  You don't really have an issue with me disagreeing with cteavin, you are just butt hurt that I show feminists for the kind of people they truly are.

                          How dare you tell me I can't take issue with a person who says something I disagree with, you hypocrite.

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                          • FrederickF Offline
                            Frederick
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                            @flozen:

                            Unfunny, bordering on sad.  And those are my citations for, and about, you.  Goodnight.

                            Don't forget to put on a fresh Depends and have your Ensure before you take your nappy.

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                              cteavin
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                              @raphjd:

                              cteavin said he supports 10% of those executed being innocent.   This goes hand in hand with feminists and their cucks advocating that we JUST BELIEVE and send men to prison simply on a woman's say so, claiming that only 2% to 8% will be innocent.  In your cuckery, you either can't see how the 2 are directly related or, and most likely the case, you are so dishonest that you don't want me shining a light on the issue.   You don't really have an issue with me disagreeing with cteavin, you are just butt hurt that I show feminists for the kind of people they truly are.

                              (queue fake angry black woman accent) Giiiirl, don't you be putting words in my mouth. (imagine emjoi of said black woman doing that head bob thing)

                              I want to be clear, I'm telling you there are two principle ways to write laws. One writes them to avoid putting the innocent in prison, releasing the guilty who go on to become repeat offenders. The 10% was a hypothetical, arbitrary number. The other option is to create a strict penal code that keeps the guilty in prison with a higher number of innocent.

                              Those two options are on a continuum. As long as people are judged by circumstantial evidence, our choice will remain on that sliding scale. The feminism argument you keep going back to (sigh) puts a higher number of innocent in jail; it also adds an element of tribalism to the argument and if you're going to insist upon that, then you must also bring into this discussion the disproportionate number of blacks in jail, which complicates things a lot.

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                              • FrederickF Offline
                                Frederick
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                                @cteavin:

                                @raphjd:

                                cteavin said he supports 10% of those executed being innocent.   This goes hand in hand with feminists and their cucks advocating that we JUST BELIEVE and send men to prison simply on a woman's say so, claiming that only 2% to 8% will be innocent.  In your cuckery, you either can't see how the 2 are directly related or, and most likely the case, you are so dishonest that you don't want me shining a light on the issue.   You don't really have an issue with me disagreeing with cteavin, you are just butt hurt that I show feminists for the kind of people they truly are.

                                (queue fake angry black woman accent) Giiiirl, don't you be putting words in my mouth. (imagine emjoi of said black woman doing that head bob thing)

                                I want to be clear, I'm telling you there are two principle ways to write laws. One writes them to avoid putting the innocent in prison, releasing the guilty who go on to become repeat offenders. The 10% was a hypothetical, arbitrary number. The other option is to create a strict penal code that keeps the guilty in prison with a higher number of innocent.

                                Those two options are on a continuum. As long as people are judged by circumstantial evidence, our choice will remain on that sliding scale. The feminism argument you keep going back to (sigh) puts a higher number of innocent in jail; it also adds an element of tribalism to the argument and if you're going to insist upon that, then you must also bring into this discussion the disproportionate number of blacks in jail, which complicates things a lot.

                                It's not secret that cops often arrest white people just to make it seem like they are not picking on blacks.    "Billy Bo Bob! Yew better go throw a cracker or two in the can before you go splitting the skull of another ******!"

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                                  @Frederick:

                                  It's not secret that cops often arrest white people just to make it seem like they are not picking on blacks.    "Billy Bo Bob! Yew better go throw a cracker or two in the can before you go splitting the skull of another ******!"

                                  This has nothing to do with anything. You can find exceptions, or extremes, to literally anything. The continuum remains.

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                                    (queue fake angry black woman accent) Giiiirl, don't you be putting words in my mouth. (imagine emjoi of said black woman doing that head bob thing)

                                    On the previous page, I quoted you saying that and I replied.

                                    I want to be clear, I'm telling you there are two principle ways to write laws. One writes them to avoid putting the innocent in prison, releasing the guilty who go on to become repeat offenders. The 10% was a hypothetical, arbitrary number. The other option is to create a strict penal code that keeps the guilty in prison with a higher number of innocent.

                                    Repeat offending is extremely high, even with the current system where we allow innocent men to go to prison.  Even in Europe where the motto is "we don't punish, we rehabilitate", repeat offending it extremely high.

                                    I might agree with your "just lock them all up" preference, if the state didn't do illegal things and also prevent people from investigating the case properly.  If we start locking corrupt DAs, police, etc, etc, then your stance would have more "juice".

                                    DAs, police and others actively fight against DNA testing even when a private group is willing to pay for it.    Take a time machine back to when GWB first ran for President as Gov of Texas.    There was a man scheduled to be executed and GWB wouldn't delay the execution to wait for the DNA results.  The man was executed on scheduled.  About 3 weeks later the DNA results cleared him of the crime.  GWB maintained that he never executed a guilty man because LEGALLY the man was still "guilty" when he was executed.

                                    I've told the story of the 4th of July 76 rapes in my home town.  The police stitched up a well known and extremely lovely mentally disabled man in the town.    The police manipulated him into confessing, even though he didn't do it.    20ish years later,  one of the Innocence Project type groups proved he never did the rapes and that he was stitched up by the police and the DA 100% knew about it.

                                    Those two options are on a continuum. As long as people are judged by circumstantial evidence, our choice will remain on that sliding scale. The feminism argument you keep going back to (sigh) puts a higher number of innocent in jail; it also adds an element of tribalism to the argument and if you're going to insist upon that, then you must also bring into this discussion the disproportionate number of blacks in jail, which complicates things a lot.

                                    Discussing groups/people that advocate for innocent people to be sent to prison disgusts me so I'm gonna always talk about it.

                                    I was falsely accused of rape by a vindictive cunt because she wanted us to take her our "gay clubbing" and I didn't want to go to the other side of town.  Under the feminist campaign of JUST BELIEVE, I would have been locked up FOREVER just on her claim.    I was arrested and thrown in jail for nearly 24 hours while I waited for the police to view the pub's CCTV.    The state refused to prosecute her for making a false statement to the police and wasting police time.  Both are felonies.  I couldn't do a private suit against her because no lawyer wanted to take the case because I would be viewed as the evil penis man who's victimizing her.

                                    Black people make up 13% of the US population.

                                    Black people commit 56% of the murders in the US and 54% of all violent crimes in the US.

                                    Blacks make up 44% of cop killers.  I can't find a stat for wounding cops by race.

                                    Blacks are 26% of those shot (wounded or killed) by police.

                                    Whites only out pace their portion of the crime stats in what I would call pretty minor crimes, like sex in public places and drinking alcohol in public/public drunkenness.  Whites are by far the biggest bootleggers of moonshine.

                                    Blaming whites for the crimes of blacks is racist by saying that blacks have no agency.    We could go back to before the welfare days when blacks committed far less crimes and they were married at a high rate than white.

                                    Prior to welfare, blacks had 8% to 10% higher marriage rates than whites.  Blacks had the 2nd highest marriage rates after far east Asians.  Now blacks have by far the worst marriage rates in the US.

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                                      @raphjd:

                                      I might agree with your "just lock them all up" preference, if the state didn't do illegal things and also prevent people from investigating the case properly.   If we start locking corrupt DAs, police, etc, etc, then your stance would have more "juice".

                                      DAs, police and others actively fight against DNA testing even when a private group is willing to pay for it.    Take a time machine back to when GWB first ran for President as Gov of Texas.    There was a man scheduled to be executed and GWB wouldn't delay the execution to wait for the DNA results.   The man was executed on scheduled.   About 3 weeks later the DNA results cleared him of the crime.   GWB maintained that he never executed a guilty man because LEGALLY the man was still "guilty" when he was executed.

                                      I've told the story of the 4th of July 76 rapes in my home town.

                                      Do you think law enforcement is growing more or less corrupt as time passes? A trip back in time through cinema will show you clearly that 1) people feared the death penalty and 2) the cops were corrupt, especially in the south. The previous generations of civil rights lawyers have neutered the Death Penalty and corruption in the police force isn't anywhere near what it was during Gotham times.

                                      Is it perfect? No. But it's worlds better than it had been and with body cams and other new technologies, it's getting better, not worse.

                                      As for DNA. John Oliver did a report on it showing how unreliable it is. That's not a secret. If you pay attention to the news you'll see two kinds of reporting, one where someone is wrongly convicted through DNA and the other where they are exonerated. In the end, people are tried and prosecuted on circumstantial evidence and DNA is just one tool to that end. Eliminate this method of deciding if one is guilty or not and you'll eliminate the corruption in the bureaucracy, too.

                                      To your other point, you're not going to like it, but you can find exceptions to anything. I've called these the extremes and they're not useful in arguments.

                                      @raphjd:

                                      Black people make up 13% of the US population.
                                      Black people commit 56% of the murders in the US and 54% of all violent crimes in the US. 
                                      Blacks make up 44% of cop killers.  I can't find a stat for wounding cops by race. 
                                      Blacks are 26% of those shot (wounded or killed) by police.

                                      What do you think about cholesterol? Good or bad? How about salt intake? What is the ideal diet? How about what causes cancer?

                                      All these questions are answered weekly in the press using new sets of data gathered from yet another person reinterpreting statistics. The old adage is true: You can find anything you want in the numbers, especially when lay people are interpreting them.

                                      Another analogy is The Bible. In the hands of a learned priest or scholar, the books within have clear contextual meanings. Put those same books in the hand of the average person and all hell breaks loose. This is the danger of you and I using statistical evidence to back up a given claim like what you're citing. If I were inclined I could easily go online and pull numbers to back up literally anything I wanted to. It's less frustrating to speak broadly and generally to uncover the truths in these situations.

                                      Let me say that a very different way. We've all the potential to be Laci Green.

                                      @raphjd:

                                      Prior to welfare, blacks had 8% to 10% higher marriage rates than whites.  Blacks had the 2nd highest marriage rates after far east Asians.   Now blacks have by far the worst marriage rates in the US.

                                      The stories I've heard to explain this are that The War on Drugs incarcerated a disproportionate number of black men for minor crimes. Concurrent to that, black women were told they could get welfare if they weren't married. If these are both true then the Democrats and Republicans helped destabilize black families.

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                                        For clarity;  4th of July 1976, not 76 rapes on the 4th of July.

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                                        DAs, police, etc, etc are just as corrupt as always.  That is why I would rather side against them than side with them.

                                        The US government has severely limited the number of appeals there are, especially in the death penalty cases.

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                                        The UK got rid of the death penalty, in a major part, by the execution of Derrick Bennett.    A 16yo friend of his and he were out and about, when the 16you decided to break'n'enter a shop.    The police were called and Derrick gave up peacefully.  His friend didn't and killed a cop.  Derrick was 21'ish but due to an accident when he was young, was mentally 7yo.    Since the friend was too young to execute, they pined the murder on Derrick in a "joint enterprise" thing.      If Derrick was convicted, the judge had to sentence him to death because he was part of killing "a person with/of standing" (aristocrats, politicians, police, doctors, council workers, etc).    Anyhoo.  Because he was mentally disabled, the Home Secretary was legally required to commute the sentence from death to life in prison.  Even still, Derrick was mentally too young to be sent to prison as his mental age was too young for the UK's then "legal age of responsibility" of 8yo.    HOWEVER, the Home Secretary refused to do this and Derrick was executed.

                                        There were a couple of other cases that caused upset and the final nail in the UK's coffin was the case of the Army soldier convicted of murder and sentenced to death.  The reason this became a problem was that legally the crime didn't fit the definition of murder, but manslaughter, so no death penalty.  The real kick in the cunt was that Army records proved he was not even in the UK at the time of the "murder".

                                        Oddly, the UK banned all executions, but allowed those already sentenced to death to be executed.    As the UK banned executions, those already sentenced were stuck in a CATCH 22.  They were going to be executed, but legally NO they weren't because it was banned.  This meant they had no right to appeal something that legally was not happening.

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                                        Unlike you, I hope you (nor anyone) never, ever wrongfully get sent to prison.

                                        People who have never faced the possibility have no fucking idea what it's like to sit in a jail cell for something you never did, but knowing how easy it is to falsely convict someone, especially on crimes against women.

                                        Her "honesty" is intact, despite the police proving she lied.  If I say her name in a public manner, I go to prison.  My name and the fact that I was accused of rape (not that it was proven to be a lie) is out there in the public domain.

                                        Even before all this, I was against wrongful convictions against people.

                                        It disgust me when I hear people like you and feminists saying there's nothing wrong with sending innocent people to prison.

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                                          @raphjd:

                                          For clarity;  4th of July 1976, not 76 rapes on the 4th of July.

                                          It disgust me when I hear people like you and feminists saying there's nothing wrong with sending innocent people to prison.

                                          Though I said it before, I'll say it again here: You've mischaracterised my argument.

                                          You're not consistent. You're angry that in the UK you can't take a stand against the brown people who are involved in sex trafficking. How did this happen? Because in 80's and 90's some officers made some big fuck ups ending up in the police being called racist. A few mistakes and misjudgments and the police are now no longer able to do their work to protect women from sex trafficking for fear of offending in the UK. Sound familiar?

                                          The death penalty worked fine in the UK until there were a few notable fuck ups that gained media attention. People took the cause and deemed all executions an abomination. Boom. No more capital punishment.

                                          Those two cases are rooted in the same thinking: People focused on the extremes and on the mean. If people did focus on the average, then there'd be no need for stupid bathroom laws to protect the tranny that can't pass or the mentally ill man who thinks he's a she. Want me to go on because a lot of what SJWs fight for sit on the extremes.

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                                            "A few notable case" is just bullshit.

                                            There were more cases, but those 2 really hit home why the death penalty sucks ass and needed to go.

                                            Illinois stopped the death penalty due to the shear number of innocent men on death row.

                                            Your "logic" is WHO GIVES A FUCK HOW MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE WE EXECUTE, KILL 'EM ALL, GOD DAMNED IT.  KILL 'EM ALL.

                                            The more you say, the more I'm leaning toward the thought (cringe) of hoping you and your ilk get what you are willing to do to others, wrongful imprisonment and/or execution.  You'd sing a different tune if it happened to you.

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