Is Cory Feldman responsible to lead a charge against pedophilia in Hollywood?
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Perhaps I've misunderstood. Any clarification is welcomed.
Some clarifications:
Paedophilia is a sexual attraction to children. Outside of 1984, societies don't prosecute 'Thought Crimes'. Like with Weinstein, he isn't being charged with being 'Heterosexual' AKA attracted to women but for sexually humiliating and assaulting women.
Rape and sexual assault tend to be about power. I'm attracted to men but I don't drug or rape men. It's more common for a man to be sexually assaulted, even raped, by a straight man than by a gay man. (Based on extensive research from prisons and war zones.) Rape and other forms of sexual assault are expressions of power rather than desire. The media conflates showing attraction to someone with demonstrating power over them. We need to talk about this.
"Hi, would you like to go out on a date sometime?" changes when there is a stated/implied "or I'll destroy your reputation/you'll be fired." We need to talk about this.
A lot of people argue that if a man is attracted to someone then he can't control his instinct to rape. ie Radical Muslims who demand woman cover every visible bit of their flesh, judges who say that a woman wearing a t-shirt was 'asking for it', and homophobes who say gay men can't be soldiers/teachers/athletes/clergy since we are male-rapists awaiting the opportunity.
We need to talk about sexual assault as an action of power.
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Perhaps I've misunderstood. Any clarification is welcomed.
Some clarifications:
Paedophilia is a sexual attraction to children. Outside of 1984, societies don't prosecute 'Thought Crimes'. Like with Weinstein, he isn't being charged with being 'Heterosexual' AKA attracted to women but for sexually humiliating and assaulting women.
Rape and sexual assault tend to be about power.
"Hi, would you like to go out on a date sometime?" changes when there is a stated/implied "or I'll destroy your reputation/you'll be fired." We need to talk about this.
We need to talk about sexual assault as an action of power.
I'm not sure how your first paragraph ties into sexual rape/sexual assault unless you're saying that paedophilia is a form of power abuse. I think the current thinking is that it's a sexual orientation.
When I was growing up in the 70's there was a campaign to define rape not as a sexual act but as one of power and violence. This is how I've (unconsciously) defined rape since. All the SJW insistence that inappropriate sexual advance, pursuing a romantic interest, etc are on par with rape/sexual assault have grated on me because they don't fit with what I grew up understanding rape to be. Thank you for reminding me the better way to talk about rape and sexual assault.
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I'm not sure how your first paragraph ties into sexual rape/sexual assault unless you're saying that paedophilia is a form of power abuse. I think the current thinking is that it's a sexual orientation.
I said precisely that 'paedophilia' is an attraction not an act. If it is not an act it should not be a crime. Paedophilia or heterosexuality or homosexuality or as-far-as-that-goes liking money are internal. Only actions should be criminalized.
The example that has burst out on the Internet was the accusation that Kevin Spacey assaulted Anthony Rapp. Kevin invited Anthony to a party where when they were alone, with neither the consent nor the prior knowledge of Anthony, threw him down on a bed and climbed on top of him. It would still be a problem had Anthony been an adult rather than a 14 year old at the time.
There's a broad conflation between attraction and assault that has to be decoupled.
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I agree it's deed, not sexual orientation. There are a lot of pedos who have not committed any crimes, except "thought crimes".
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20 years ago the Coreys told their story of being molested and abused. Barbara Walters, in an interview, told them that they need to stop talking about it because they were harming the industry.
Their careers died because they came out about the abuse they and others suffered.
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Despite all the claims about Michael Jackson, none of the celeb kids have ever claimed he molested them. It's always some freak parents with dreams of the CHA-CHING. Michael Jackson's worst sin is that he wanted to live out the childhood his parents denied him.
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The Kevin Spacey "incident" is a non-thing because he hit on Anthony Rapp, who said NO and that was the end of it. Now Netflix has canceled House of Cards over it.
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They'd decided to cancel House of Cards three months ago.
They are cynically using Kevin Spacey's scandal to make themselves look virtuous. -
I'm not sure how your first paragraph ties into sexual rape/sexual assault unless you're saying that paedophilia is a form of power abuse. I think the current thinking is that it's a sexual orientation.
I said precisely that 'paedophilia' is an attraction not an act. If it is not an act it should not be a crime. Paedophilia or heterosexuality or homosexuality or as-far-as-that-goes liking money are internal. Only actions should be criminalized.
The example that has burst out on the Internet was the accusation that Kevin Spacey assaulted Anthony Rapp. Kevin invited Anthony to a party where when they were alone, with neither the consent nor the prior knowledge of Anthony, threw him down on a bed and climbed on top of him. It would still be a problem had Anthony been an adult rather than a 14 year old at the time.
There's a broad conflation between attraction and assault that has to be decoupled.
So you're being semantical? Interesting. It should be clear from the context that I was speaking of pedophilia broadly as in a person acting on those impulses. Rape a child, die.
In addition to decoupling attraction from assault, they need to divorce our current social moors from actions done in the past. There was no culture of consent when Spacey allegedly threw that young man on the bed.
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I'm not sure how your first paragraph ties into sexual rape/sexual assault unless you're saying that paedophilia is a form of power abuse. I think the current thinking is that it's a sexual orientation.
I said precisely that 'paedophilia' is an attraction not an act. If it is not an act it should not be a crime. Paedophilia or heterosexuality or homosexuality or as-far-as-that-goes liking money are internal. Only actions should be criminalized.
The example that has burst out on the Internet was the accusation that Kevin Spacey assaulted Anthony Rapp. Kevin invited Anthony to a party where when they were alone, with neither the consent nor the prior knowledge of Anthony, threw him down on a bed and climbed on top of him. It would still be a problem had Anthony been an adult rather than a 14 year old at the time.
There's a broad conflation between attraction and assault that has to be decoupled.
So you're being semantical? Interesting. It should be clear from the context that I was speaking of pedophilia broadly as in a person acting on those impulses. Rape a child, die.
In addition to decoupling attraction from assault, they need to divorce our current social moors from actions done in the past. There was no culture of consent when Spacey allegedly threw that young man on the bed.
One problem with labeling people as "pedophiles who should be put to death" is that they use the label "pedophile" for a very broad range of actions. For instance:
Pedophile = man who stuffs his cock up the vagina of a 3 year old girl.
Pedophile = man who pats a 17 year old boy wearing pants on the butt as he walks by.I would argue that one should not be put to death for patting someone on the butt.
The media likes to make their reports as salacious as possible to get interest and ratings. They spice things up…
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In the UK, a pedo is anyone who has sex with a person under 16yo.
Despite this law being totally gender neutral, the only sex crime that is, it's almost always the boy who gets charged, even if he's the younger of the pair.
It's fucked up. Lots of boys are legally pedos for banging their older girlfriends.
This is another thing feminists will never talk about.
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In the UK, a pedo is anyone who has sex with a person under 16yo.
Despite this law being totally gender neutral, the only sex crime that is, it's almost always the boy who gets charged, even if he's the younger of the pair.
It's fucked up. Lots of boys are legally pedos for banging their older girlfriends.
This is another thing feminists will never talk about.
Christ on a cracker, must topics like pedophilia – that are overwhelmingly, (and yes not exclusively) male-based -- get detoured to your terminal issues with women-shaming?
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Ah, the usual "just ignore that bit" crap from a feminist.
As a feminist and SJW, you should DEMAND that the inequalities be gotten rid of. Then again, you're a feminist and SJW, so you DEMAND we ignore the inequalities.
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Under Canadian Law.
14 year olds are capable of consenting to having sex with older people - providing there is no relationship where the older person can exploit the younger one: his teacher, his hockey coach, his boss, his doctor, his landlord (or the parents landlord.)
If Kevin Spacey had asked Anthony Rapp to have sex it would have been legal under Canadian law. They were acquaintances. Grabbing someone, throwing them on a bed, then jumping on top of them without their prior knowledge AND consent is assault no matter what the age.
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Ah, the usual "just ignore that bit" crap from a feminist.
As a feminist and SJW, you should DEMAND that the inequalities be gotten rid of. Then again, you're a feminist and SJW, so you DEMAND we ignore the inequalities.
I do favor the elimination of inequalities in justice, as applied to any gender, race and so on.
Can you point me to even a minor trove of examples – among your many, valued contributions here at GT -- where you have advanced any solutions to issues that disadvantage women in particular? Because, from what I've seen, you're quite the one-note flute. :dick:
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Ah, the usual "just ignore that bit" crap from a feminist.
As a feminist and SJW, you should DEMAND that the inequalities be gotten rid of. Then again, you're a feminist and SJW, so you DEMAND we ignore the inequalities.
I do favor the elimination of inequalities in justice, as applied to any gender, race and so on.
Can you point me to even a minor trove of examples – among your many, valued contributions here at GT -- where you have advanced any solutions to issues that disadvantage women in particular? Because, from what I've seen, you're quite the one-note flute. :dick:
Western women are not oppressed.
Feminists don't give a shit about women in the 3rd world because then they'd have to face the reality of their bullshit about western women.
Other than calling me a dick, what have you done here other than push the SJW narrative of "all white men are evil"?
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Ah, the usual "just ignore that bit" crap from a feminist.
As a feminist and SJW, you should DEMAND that the inequalities be gotten rid of. Then again, you're a feminist and SJW, so you DEMAND we ignore the inequalities.
I do favor the elimination of inequalities in justice, as applied to any gender, race and so on.
Can you point me to even a minor trove of examples – among your many, valued contributions here at GT -- where you have advanced any solutions to issues that disadvantage women in particular? Because, from what I've seen, you're quite the one-note flute. :dick:
Western women are not oppressed.
Feminists don't give a shit about women in the 3rd world because then they'd have to face the reality of their bullshit about western women.
Other than calling me a dick, what have you done here other than push the SJW narrative of "all white men are evil"?
And now, I only ask you to provide the citation/thread with my usage of any combination of words that equate to "white men" being "evil," and I'll do your laundry for a year.
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You don't have to use those exact words to push the leftist SJW narrative. The fact that you are a feminist says it all.
What did your goddess Hillary say? Oh that's right, women are the real victims of war because men go off to fight and end up getting killed.
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You don't have to use those exact words to push the leftist SJW narrative. The fact that you are a feminist says it all.
What did your goddess Hillary say? Oh that's right, women are the real victims of war because men go off to fight and end up getting killed.
OK, so you can't find posts where I used language approaching the terms you credited to me.
Accuse first, then attempt to redirect later. Is that really how you want to roll?
Of course, when all else fails, invoke Hillary out of nowhere.
Weak as water, and goodnight.
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No "repair" needed. You made the claim that women are disadvantaged, which is clearly a lie in the west. Western women are extremely privileged.
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Under Canadian Law.
14 year olds are capable of consenting to having sex with older people - providing there is no relationship where the older person can exploit the younger one: his teacher, his hockey coach, his boss, his doctor, his landlord (or the parents landlord.)
If Kevin Spacey had asked Anthony Rapp to have sex it would have been legal under Canadian law. They were acquaintances. Grabbing someone, throwing them on a bed, then jumping on top of them without their prior knowledge AND consent is assault no matter what the age.
Hearsay. It's possible Spacey did that but he doesn't remember it and was a drunkard at the time.
Memory doesn't work like videotape. Our memories change over time. We add details, change perspectives, layer on feelings and meanings. This is one of the reasons I can not give credence to someone coming forward 30 years later to say X did Y, especially in a culture where we trust the victim first and try the alleged perpetrator without a trial. This way of conducting a trial creates a positive feedback loop for the purported victim that encourages abuse with no consequence.
Here are the facts as we know them: Many people say Spacey is a dirty old man. There are plenty of images of Spacey dating younger men. One man said he picked him up and threw him on a bed and that was it. A woman came forward and said Spacey had a reputation.
That's it.
Unless you have a video of him doing something then he's just another person who likes people much younger than him who may or may not be lecherous. Neither is a crime. And if there were incontrovertible proof of Spacey picking up this young man there is still no crime, the statute of limitations has run out, so what is it people are expecting he do? If Spacey apologizes it should be to Rapp himself, as in, it should be a private affair. What people want is a public apology because the mob is angry and wants blood wherever it can get it. That mentality is wrong and we shouldn't encourage it.
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