Is asking a person out on a date who has already said no again sexual harassment
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I feel you're misrepresenting my argument.
Your original argument was that there is a long history in literature giving positive images of asking a person out after they've said 'no' which implies it's permissable. I replied that there's a long history in literature of things that we would recognize as rape being romanticized.
Now you say, I should use examples from the past to justify present behaviour. Which you were doing.
I hate to break it to you. YAOI, Bodice-Rippers, and M/M are still being written.
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I've been thinking a lot about this lately and I really think that this isn't going to end well for women. Men are pigs and men want sex. We have all had met "straight" men and I'm sure all of us have had sex with a few of them. If I was a straight guy I would be terrified to even look at a woman these days! It's a lot easier for them to just have sex with other dudes.
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I've been thinking a lot about this lately and I really think that this isn't going to end well for women. Men are pigs and men want sex. We have all had met "straight" men and I'm sure all of us have had sex with a few of them. If I was a straight guy I would be terrified to even look at a woman these days! It's a lot easier for them to just have sex with other dudes.
That reminds me of something from last night… I was watching a guy on Chaturbate.. and he was adamant that he is 100% straight. He was jacking off while watching straight porn. I wondered how straight he was when after he came, he ate his load for 200 tokens ($10). I then did a bit of internet research on him, found his real name, life history, email, etc. One comment he made on a blog is that he is completely straight, won't top or bottom a guy.. BUT he will let a guy suck his cock especially if they swallow! Hmm.. maybe not so straight. I am pretty sure he also lives with a sugar daddy.
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I feel you're misrepresenting my argument.
Your original argument was that there is a long history in literature giving positive images of asking a person out after they've said 'no' which implies it's permissable. I replied that there's a long history in literature of things that we would recognize as rape being romanticized.
Now you say, I should use examples from the past to justify present behaviour. Which you were doing.
I hate to break it to you. YAOI, Bodice-Rippers, and M/M are still being written.
You and I are miscommunicating then.
What I've been trying to say, repeatedly, is that you can't go back in time and lense a story like Beauty & The Beast as supporting rape culture. No. It doesn't work. Those stories were written in a different time which had a different culture from today so if your argument is that there is a long unbroken line of rape culture stretching back millennia, I'm calling bullshit and hypocrisy: If you go that route then the Chrisitan Right and Constitutional Originalists are correct, I don't believe you think that.
I brought up Yaoi because, unless you're fluent in Japanese as I am (20+ year veteran here), then you're pulling the biggest act of white privilege there is and telling another culture what their stories mean.
(To be clear, I don't support the idea of White Privilege but they go hand in hand with reinterpreting the past.)
What I've been saying is that there is an unbroken line from the Troubadours forward that has determined what these stories mean, so that when Disney reimagines B&tB it is connected to the intent of the source material, not the revisionists.
Given all that, I do enjoy cultural critiques using Feminism and Post-Colonial theories but they can not be used to rewrite history, just give an alternative vision to help us think – that's useful. The problem is that cultural critiques are trying to write legally binding laws.
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I've been thinking a lot about this lately and I really think that this isn't going to end well for women. Men are pigs and men want sex. We have all had met "straight" men and I'm sure all of us have had sex with a few of them. If I was a straight guy I would be terrified to even look at a woman these days! It's a lot easier for them to just have sex with other dudes.
That reminds me of something from last night… I was watching a guy on Chaturbate.. and he was adamant that he is 100% straight. He was jacking off while watching straight porn. I wondered how straight he was when after he came, he ate his load for 200 tokens ($10). I then did a bit of internet research on him, found his real name, life history, email, etc. One comment he made on a blog is that he is completely straight, won't top or bottom a guy.. BUT he will let a guy suck his cock especially if they swallow! Hmm.. maybe not so straight. I am pretty sure he also lives with a sugar daddy.
@Adam, it's happening more and more (if the Internet is to be believed).
@Fred, why do we, as a culture, need to peg someone as gay/bi because they had some form of sex with a person of the same gender? It's political, an intent to normalize LGB people.
I love vegan food, raw vegan food, and cook a lot of vegetarians but I'm in no way a vegetarian. I simply have broad tastes. Straight people would have fewer hangups if they weren't pegged as closeted after a bj.
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I've been thinking a lot about this lately and I really think that this isn't going to end well for women. Men are pigs and men want sex. We have all had met "straight" men and I'm sure all of us have had sex with a few of them. If I was a straight guy I would be terrified to even look at a woman these days! It's a lot easier for them to just have sex with other dudes.
That reminds me of something from last night… I was watching a guy on Chaturbate.. and he was adamant that he is 100% straight. He was jacking off while watching straight porn. I wondered how straight he was when after he came, he ate his load for 200 tokens ($10). I then did a bit of internet research on him, found his real name, life history, email, etc. One comment he made on a blog is that he is completely straight, won't top or bottom a guy.. BUT he will let a guy suck his cock especially if they swallow! Hmm.. maybe not so straight. I am pretty sure he also lives with a sugar daddy.
@Adam, it's happening more and more (if the Internet is to be believed).
@Fred, why do we, as a culture, need to peg someone as gay/bi because they had some form of sex with a person of the same gender? It's political, an intent to normalize LGB people.
I love vegan food, raw vegan food, and cook a lot of vegetarians but I'm in no way a vegetarian. I simply have broad tastes. Straight people would have fewer hangups if they weren't pegged as closeted after a bj.
I wasn't trying to label him. I know that at his age, guys tend to SAY they are straight for various reasons including that they have not yet learned about women. Many of them probably imagine that they will have a wife and children some day. This guy kept insisting he was straight. He interested me because he is 6'4, has a genuine 10" cock, and his ass was magnificent. I was researching him out of curiousity to see if he had any done any porn… and he has.. at least 2 which I should have by tomorrow. Then there is another CB performer.. "boyalwayshorny" who insists he is straight.. but in his shows he not only tops and bottoms for guys.. he loves it. There are videos of him on his back getting fucked hard.. with him moaning like crazy.. bucking like a bronco.. and shooting half a dozen huge streams of cum all over the place and eating half of it. I wish there were more straight guys like that. He is also a champion cock sucker.
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I've been thinking a lot about this lately and I really think that this isn't going to end well for women. Men are pigs and men want sex. We have all had met "straight" men and I'm sure all of us have had sex with a few of them. If I was a straight guy I would be terrified to even look at a woman these days! It's a lot easier for them to just have sex with other dudes.
That reminds me of something from last night… I was watching a guy on Chaturbate.. and he was adamant that he is 100% straight. He was jacking off while watching straight porn. I wondered how straight he was when after he came, he ate his load for 200 tokens ($10). I then did a bit of internet research on him, found his real name, life history, email, etc. One comment he made on a blog is that he is completely straight, won't top or bottom a guy.. BUT he will let a guy suck his cock especially if they swallow! Hmm.. maybe not so straight. I am pretty sure he also lives with a sugar daddy.
@Adam, it's happening more and more (if the Internet is to be believed).
@Fred, why do we, as a culture, need to peg someone as gay/bi because they had some form of sex with a person of the same gender? It's political, an intent to normalize LGB people.
I love vegan food, raw vegan food, and cook a lot of vegetarians but I'm in no way a vegetarian. I simply have broad tastes. Straight people would have fewer hangups if they weren't pegged as closeted after a bj.
I have also read some studies that have suggested that porn is keeping men from getting married.
I think of all the stuff that straight guys have to go through just to get laid. They are figuring out that it's much easier to just go on Grindr. When you couple that with the idea that even talking to a woman can ruin you life why would anyone choose to have sex with a woman?
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I've been thinking a lot about this lately and I really think that this isn't going to end well for women. Men are pigs and men want sex. We have all had met "straight" men and I'm sure all of us have had sex with a few of them. If I was a straight guy I would be terrified to even look at a woman these days! It's a lot easier for them to just have sex with other dudes.
That reminds me of something from last night… I was watching a guy on Chaturbate.. and he was adamant that he is 100% straight. He was jacking off while watching straight porn. I wondered how straight he was when after he came, he ate his load for 200 tokens ($10). I then did a bit of internet research on him, found his real name, life history, email, etc. One comment he made on a blog is that he is completely straight, won't top or bottom a guy.. BUT he will let a guy suck his cock especially if they swallow! Hmm.. maybe not so straight. I am pretty sure he also lives with a sugar daddy.
@Adam, it's happening more and more (if the Internet is to be believed).
@Fred, why do we, as a culture, need to peg someone as gay/bi because they had some form of sex with a person of the same gender? It's political, an intent to normalize LGB people.
I love vegan food, raw vegan food, and cook a lot of vegetarians but I'm in no way a vegetarian. I simply have broad tastes. Straight people would have fewer hangups if they weren't pegged as closeted after a bj.
I have also read some studies that have suggested that porn is keeping men from getting married.
I think of all the stuff that straight guys have to go through just to get laid. They are figuring out that it's much easier to just go on Grindr. When you couple that with the idea that even talking to a woman can ruin you life why would anyone choose to have sex with a woman?
Other than your comments about Trump, you are posting well.
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Other than your comments about Trump, you are posting well.
Why are you grading people!?! :spank2:
Get that porn and go take of some stress.
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Other than your comments about Trump, you are posting well.
Why are you grading people!?! :spank2:
Get that porn and go take of some stress.
I was trying to encourage him to post more messages that made sense and were rational. His posts tend to be good EXCEPT for his vitriolic comments about Trump. From other posts he made later on.. I think my praise fell on deaf ears.
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Bump, as this has gotten buried and I'd like to hear what you have to say.
I feel you're misrepresenting my argument.
Your original argument was that there is a long history in literature giving positive images of asking a person out after they've said 'no' which implies it's permissable. I replied that there's a long history in literature of things that we would recognize as rape being romanticized.
Now you say, I should use examples from the past to justify present behaviour. Which you were doing.
I hate to break it to you. YAOI, Bodice-Rippers, and M/M are still being written.
You and I are miscommunicating then.
What I've been trying to say, repeatedly, is that you can't go back in time and lense a story like Beauty & The Beast as supporting rape culture. No. It doesn't work. Those stories were written in a different time which had a different culture from today so if your argument is that there is a long unbroken line of rape culture stretching back millennia, I'm calling bullshit and hypocrisy: If you go that route then the Chrisitan Right and Constitutional Originalists are correct, I don't believe you think that.
I brought up Yaoi because, unless you're fluent in Japanese as I am (20+ year veteran here), then you're pulling the biggest act of white privilege there is and telling another culture what their stories mean.
(To be clear, I don't support the idea of White Privilege but they go hand in hand with reinterpreting the past.)
What I've been saying is that there is an unbroken line from the Troubadours forward that has determined what these stories mean, so that when Disney reimagines B&tB it is connected to the intent of the source material, not the revisionists.
Given all that, I do enjoy cultural critiques using Feminism and Post-Colonial theories but they can not be used to rewrite history, just give an alternative vision to help us think – that's useful. The problem is that cultural critiques are trying to write legally binding laws.
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In the same arena, if anyone would like to read a piece on "consent" specifically geared to our community, here you go. And it's from the UK, no less:
https://www.gmfa.org.uk/fs162-consent-and-the-gay-community :cool2:
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In the same arena, if anyone would like to read a piece on "consent" specifically geared to our community, here you go. And it's from the UK, no less:
https://www.gmfa.org.uk/fs162-consent-and-the-gay-community :cool2:
In case you didn't see it, I made a separate topic based on this article you shared.
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In the same arena, if anyone would like to read a piece on "consent" specifically geared to our community, here you go. And it's from the UK, no less:
https://www.gmfa.org.uk/fs162-consent-and-the-gay-community :cool2:
In case you didn't see it, I made a separate topic based on this article you shared.
Yes, and :thx:
What's nice about that "Consent" thread – as of this writing -- is that the posters are sharing their own interesting stories about consent, and it's very focused, on-topic, and almost free of hyperbole. Unfortunately, it still has some classless vulgarity, a trend that seems to have increased as of late, and does nothing to prove a point or lend credibility to the individual.
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In the same arena, if anyone would like to read a piece on "consent" specifically geared to our community, here you go. And it's from the UK, no less:
https://www.gmfa.org.uk/fs162-consent-and-the-gay-community :cool2:
In case you didn't see it, I made a separate topic based on this article you shared.
Yes, and :thx:
What's nice about that "Consent" thread – as of this writing -- is that the posters are sharing their own interesting stories about consent, and it's very focused, on-topic, and almost free of hyperbole. Unfortunately, it still has some classless vulgarity, a trend that seems to have increased as of late, and does nothing to prove a point or lend credibility to the individual.
Yes. But not so bad as before. Much easier to read here now. I maybe getting more comfortable to post my opinions here.
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