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    PROOF TRUMP COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA

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    • raphjdR Online
      raphjd Forum Administrator
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      Blame the victim.  That's what rapists do–The DNC was asking for it by exposing their cyberasses.

      FUCKING HELL, YOU ARE DISHONEST.

      No one said blame the victim for being attacked.

      YES, blame the victim when they cry about being a victim, but absolutely refuse to cooperate with the police so they can catch the criminal.

      As for whining, to indulge in a bit of your favorite argument of "what if-ism," if Russia was found to have infiltrated the emails of any of the political parties in Great Britain and weaponized them to get their favorite party into power and the prime ministry, would you be "whining?"

      At this point, we still have no proof that Russia hacked Hillary or the DNC because they refuse to cooperate.

      Even if you are an American citizen, it is easy for you to diminish the significance of this from across the pond.

      Stop whining and admit that this entire situation could have been solved last year, IF Hillary and the DNC had cooperated with the FBI, NSA, CIA, etc.  But NO, they refused to cooperate.

      Let's assume their claims are/were true.  Since they refused to cooperate, it looked like they were trying to false flag to play the victim.    If they would have cooperated and proved their claims were true, then people would have turned away from Trump due to Russia.

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        Where did you learn that the DNC sis not cooperate with the FBI?  One of your favorite youtube channels?
        This is from Politifacts:

        http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jul/11/donald-trump/did-john-podesta-deny-cia-and-fbi-access-dnc-serve/

        First, the American intelligence community (FBI, CIA, NSA and DNI) stated:  ""The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts,"
        Further:
        "n his testimony in January on the cyber attacks, then-director of the FBI James Comey said the agency never got access to the machines themselves, but obtained access to the forensics from a review of the system performed by CrowdStrike, a third-party cybersecurity firm."
        That may be the basis for your idea that the DNC did not cooperate.
        But
        "We got the forensics from the pros that they hired which – again, best practice is always to get access to the machines themselves, but this my folks tell me was an appropriate substitute," Comey said.
        In addition:
        "The DNC coordinated with the FBI and federal intelligence agencies and provided everything they requested, including copies of DNC servers," Watson said. She added that the copy contains the same information as the physical server.
        The FBI joined CrowdStrike’s efforts to boot Russia from the server, but then-Homeland Security Department secretary Jeh Johnson complained the DNC rebuffed their offer to help. This was because Russia was already out of their system by then.

        If you are referring to an earlier period in the summer of 2015, it has been reported that the FBI was calling an IT desk help phone line manned by a contractor, who did his own search and found nothing and left it there, without kicking it up the chain of command, not did the FBI contact any of the executive leadership of the DNC at that time

        I can understand denial of collusion, which is complicated, but to deny that we have proof that Russia hacked the DNC is like denying climate change.  Even Trump's intelligence leaders admit it freely.

        While you might be able to make an argument that DNC could have done more before the fact, both with protecting their servers and paying more attention to the low-level FBI warnings, they certainly cooperated sufficiently after the fact to determine who had carried out the cyberattacks.

        Even in a world of hypotheticals, if the DNC was partially responsible for not preventing the attacks, would that give the Trump campaign the right to weaponize the information by coordinating with the hackers in terms of content and timing of the release?  If the hacker were domestic, it would they would be considered to be part of a conspiravy.

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          I don't care if you believe this or not, I guarantee the authorities are focused on this report instead of what you are propagandizing:

          The files were not hacked by an outside agency or person, that would be impossible, and here is why the proof shows that they were copied from the inside, and it's focused on a new IT report:

          http://www.worldtribune.com/report-dnc-files-were-copied-not-hacked-5-days-before-murder-of-seth-rich/

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            mhorndisk
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            You know what would be really nice? You guys investigating this and considering the evidence. But we all know that isn't going to happen because it doesn't fit your narrative so why am I even bothering. (I did not leave a question mark at the end of that sentence.)

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              Russians vs Russia state

              We know the hack came from Russia, but there is nothing proving it was by the state.

              The Brit with aspergers hacked the US, does that mean the British state did it?  No one believes it was state sponsored.

              If you want to go with "yeah, but Russia has a history of…..", don't forget the US spied directly on Merkel.    Every country spies in both their friends and enemies.   Israel is notorious for spying on the US, and we're it's biggest cuck.

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                pppucci
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                @raphjd:

                Russians vs Russia state

                We know the hack came from Russia, but there is nothing proving it was by the state.

                I know Wikipedia is a weak source, but at the moment I don't have time to get a primary source, but:
                "According to various cybersecurity firms and U.S. government officials, Guccifer 2.0 is a persona that was created by Russian intelligence services to cover for their interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[29][30]"

                Lat time I looked Russian Intelligence services were part of the Russian Government.

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                  @Frederick:

                  The libtards are like the "Boy Who Cried Wolf".  They attack EVERYTHING Trump does, regardless of what he does.

                  Sadly, this is true. And it annoys the shit out of me.

                  But since you mention it, the same shit happened with Obama.

                  Remember the flag lapel controversy? Smoking cigarettes? Half-salute to a soldier? The birth certificate fiasco?

                  Your party is just as much a part of the culture of outrage as your opponents.

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                    aadam101
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                    @mhorndisk:

                    Do you have proof Trump colluded with Russia?

                    YES

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                      pppucci
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                      @mhorndisk:

                      I don't care if you believe this or not, I guarantee the authorities are focused on this report instead of what you are propagandizing:

                      The files were not hacked by an outside agency or person, that would be impossible, and here is why the proof shows that they were copied from the inside, and it's focused on a new IT report:

                      http://www.worldtribune.com/report-dnc-files-were-copied-not-hacked-5-days-before-murder-of-seth-rich/

                      Even Hannity retracted the Seth Rich story. The only one pushing is Alex Jones, who thought 9/11 was a hoax and the Sandy Hook murders were staged to promote gun control.
                      It says something about your own biases that you are willing to accept thinly-backed conspiracy theories without question, but dismiss out of hand the assessment of our own best experts, namely the intelligence community.

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                        Bill Maher has a segment on his show called "I don't know it for a fact, I just know it's true."  That's how I feel about Seth Rich.  Is there evidence? No.  Did Clinton or the DNC have him killed?  Without a doubt…..

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                          pppucci
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                          @aadam101:

                          Bill Maher has a segment on his show called "I don't know it for a fact, I just know it's true."   That's how I feel about Seth Rich.  Is there evidence? No.  Did Clinton or the DNC have him killed?  Without a doubt…..

                          A revenge killing? The emails had already been leaked.  It does not make sense.

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                            Anytime soon.

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                              pppucci
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                              @mhorndisk:

                              Good grief! This post has gotten SO out of hand. Look. Comey exonerated Trump three times.

                              It shows you how Trump supporters heard what they wanted to hear.  Comey never exonerated Trump.  He told him on three occasions the the President was not personally under investigation at that time..  He was reluctant to go public with that statement because it would create an obligation to correct if things changed.  Looks like things have changed.

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