Liberal Violence: Liberals smash beer bottle over conservative man's face in NYC

strangeloop

@strangeloop:

Source: https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/883438847421538306

Do you actually have a report from something other than a fucking rando Twitter-account?

Here is an article on the event.

pppucci

Now we are turning bar brawls as evidence of the violent tendencies of the left? You crack me up. From the very article you cite:

"Val ( the victim) says he was dancing for a few hours on the dance floor when his red MAGA hat fell off. As he went to pick up his hat, a woman identified as Emma Rodriguez was stepping on his hat and told Val she hates the hat and hates him.

Val pushed her away to retrieve his hat when he got into a fight with Rodriguez’s boyfriend, Leonardo Heinert. Val was then struck in the face with a beer bottle by Heinert. Rodriguez also struck Val in the back of the head with a beer bottle.

Val, Rodriguez and Heinert were all arrested and subsequently released."

He was attacked because he pushed the other guy's girl, not because of the hast. She didn't like the hat, but that is just incidental to the real reason for the violence. ALL THREE WERE ARRESTED. You really are grasping at straws.

You and raphjd are entitled to your opinion that liberals are inherently violent, but your attempts to take a few incidents (he's big on the Berkley rots and the Stanford bike-lock incident) and conflate them into a growing national phenomenon in the United States is pathetic.

As I am mostly ignorant of European politics, I will not refute that the Hamburg rioters were leftists. But that is irrelevant here.

raphjd

You and raphjd are entitled to your opinion that liberals are inherently violent, but your attempts to take a few incidents (he's big on the Berkley rots and the Stanford bike-lock incident) and conflate them into a growing national phenomenon in the United States is pathetic.

I guess you don't think setting an occupied building on fire to prevent free speech is a big deal.

I've mentioned many others, as well.

It's funny how liberals never seem to know what's going on in the world, other than what CNN and TYT think they need to "know". It's like a feminist cuck I debated here a couple months ago. He know the feminist dogma, but he had absolutely no clue about the real world and how privileged women in the "west" really are.

Also, like with feminism and islam, the so called "good" ones rarely call out the bad ones. In a rare bit of decency, TYT condemned false flagging because it harms real victims. The left hated that and the video got tons of downvotes. I upvoted it.

strangeloop

@pppucci:

You and raphjd are entitled to your opinion that liberals are inherently violent, but your attempts to take a few incidents (he's big on the Berkley rots and the Stanford bike-lock incident) and conflate them into a growing national phenomenon in the United States is pathetic.

Nope. I brought both statistics as well as specific incidents, so one may not claim ignorance on the issues any longer.

Here are more statistics on attacks just in America. Note this isn't a complete list, only those incidents that are well documented.

Your own citation from HuffPo shows a massive increase in left-wing violence.

Putting faces to the statistics should bring about empathy in the average person. Instead you downplay every incident beyond recognition - "he pushed a girl, it's just a bar brawl" - is not remotely an accurate summary of what happened. And deep down you know it's not accurate. It's just:

Tribalism.

The statistics make your side look bad. Because it is. The individual incidents evoke no empathy from you, but to be fair, it is the same with many on the left. And that is saddening.

pppucci

The Huff article I posted cited statistics from Germany only. Yes left-wing incidents were higher. Here are the stats again:
"here were 1,408 acts of far-right violence and 1,608 far-left attacks in Germany in 2015, up from around 990 and 995 respectively the previous year"
So total number of attacks was 3.016, of which 47% were rightist and 53% were leftist. That kind of margin wins an election, but doe not support your argument that there is a disproportionate number of leftist attacks, And the massive increase was noted on both sides, but I will grant you it rose faster on the left/ . Up 42% on the right and 62% on the left. But you have been arguing that there is an exlusive problem with violence on the left. Furthermore, this is Germany.

Back to America. An iteration of incidents is not statistics. I gave you an list of 28 attacks carried out by the right in the week following the election. Your article cites 34 incidents in a year. Really? you guys are so innocent?
But realistically simply listing incidents is not scientific. It is called anecdotal evidence. I have searched for American statistics similar to the German ones, but could not find anything. The FBI keeps track of hate crimes, but does not track crimes inspired by "political hate."
I will admit violence on the left appears to be on the rise, but I don not think it is out of proportion to violence on the right. This has become a conservative talking point since the shooting in Alexandria. It received very little attention before then.

As for the beer-bottle incident. I have two common-sense questions for you. One, if the guy's hat was on the floor, hoe did the guy with the beer bottle see it? Second, the incident was not covered by any of the New York Papers, including the New York Post, which is very Pro-Trump.. I know you may not trust main-stream media, but this type of "juicy" news usually gets a lot of attention. I am not saying it didn't go down, I am suggesting it was not a political crime.
Once again, refrain from using ridiculous slurs to describe my reasoning or arguments. By not directing the slurs directly at me does not exonerate you. There are over 170,000 words in the English language. I am sure you could find a few to make your feelings known without childish insults. Buy yourself a thesaurus.

strangeloop

@pppucci:

Back to America. An iteration of incidents is not statistics. I gave you an list of 28 attacks carried out by the right in the week following the election. Your article cites 34 incidents in a year. Really? you guys are so innocent?

As I mentioned earlier, only TWO of those incidents on the buzzfeed list contained actual physical violence.

I will admit violence on the left appears to be on the rise,

Thank you.

but I don not think it is out of proportion to violence on the right. This has become a conservative talking point since the shooting in Alexandria. It received very little attention before then

That's not the case. It has become a talking about since the beginning of the presidential election cycle, when mass violence against Trump supporters were well documented with video footage. It isn't something new based on the shooting at the conservative senators.

pppucci

@strangeloop:

That's not the case. It has become a talking about since the beginning of the presidential election cycle, when mass violence against Trump supporters were well documented with video footage. It isn't something new based on the shooting at the conservative senators.

Of course, there were no incidents of Trump supporters harassing reporters–prompting the Secret Service to escort one female reported to her car following a rally. Oh yeah, Trump never said "Punch him in the face!" and in the old days hecklers would be carried out on a stretcher. He even offered to pay the legal fees of someone who beat up a heckler.
At one rally, he actually suggested that supporters of the second amendment "do something" about Hilary Clinton if she were elected.
And before you mention it, I'll admit that in Chicago they planned to have paid troublemakers stir up the .crowd, but that was one instance.
Irregardless of your personal feelings about Trump, his supporters were certainly not leftists. Your hypocrisy is numbing.

strangeloop

@pppucci:

Of course, there were no incidents of Trump supporters harassing reporters–prompting the Secret Service to escort one female reported to her car following a rally.

I have never once stated there were no violence by Trump supporters. I have always argued only about the extent of violence, which is very one-sided. I think to suggest otherwise betrays a terrible ignorance, perhaps a willful ignorance.

Here are a few headlines from the election cycle. I made sure these stories were real and verified:

Ugly, bloody scenes in San Jose as protesters attack Trump supporters outside rally
Gay Trump Supporter Beaten Unconscious on Texas Street After He Pulls Out Trump Lighter
Trump Supporter Was Dragged Out From Car, Beaten, Car stolen, & Dragged Down the Road in Chicago
Anti-Bullying Activist Charged with Assaulting 74-year-old Trump Supporter During Protest
Woman Assaulted for Handing Out Campaign Literature Supporting Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump
While Leaving a San Jose Trump Rally an Angry Mob Attacked Gay Latino Trump Supporter & Log Cabin Republican
Student Punches Classmate Over Donald Trump Sign at Local High School
Man in Trump Hat Is Beaten and Chased by Protesters Before Finding Safety With the Police

Each of these events could rightfully deserve its own thread on these forums, and I'll be happy to source any of these stories. There are literally hundreds of headlines nationwide on violent incidents against Trump supporters. I don't know how to get through to you that the numbers and extent are not the same. There was an incredible amount of violence this election cycle and mostly against conservatives, more than any time in at least decades.

raphjd

As we saw in a previous thread about hate crimes, it's a massive case of over reporting.

If a 1 eyed, 3 nippled, trans, lesbian, muslim, woman is mugged (no hate based intent, just robbery) it's still recorded as 6 separate hate crimes.

Hate crimes are always listed against the right, even when it's 4 blacks against a mentally challenged white male.

pppucci

@raphjd:

As we saw in a previous thread about hate crimes, it's a massive case of over reporting.

If a 1 eyed, 3 nippled, trans, lesbian, muslim, woman is mugged (no hate based intent, just robbery) it's still recorded as 6 separate hate crimes.

Hate crimes are always listed against the right, even when it's 4 blacks against a mentally challenged white male.

Thanks. I have been making this argument about the OP. The man was attacked because he pushed the other guy's girlfriend, not because he was wearing a MAGA hat.