California to DENY Voter/Election Records to Trump's Election Fraud Commission
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For whatever reason, some states are refusing to prove they are obeying federal voting laws.
If this happened under Obama, liberals would lose their minds, more than they already have.
I do feel that some states are only doing this to cuck to the anti- Trump crowd and others are falsely playing the "states' rights" crowd.
I will give you a pass since you have lived in the UK for so long, but there are no federal voting laws, except the Federal Voting Rights Act of 1965 which was passed to outlaw practiced that disenfranchised uneducated, mostly black, voters.
Believe me, if any president tried to impose federal regulation of voting, liberals would have a cow, because these tend toward voter suppression.
Outside of the 1965 law, the states and only the stateshave control of who does and does not vote in their states, as long as they abide by the Constitution. -
Illegals voting is a states' issue?
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Illegals voting is a states' issue?
Absolutely. It is solely a state issue. The federal government has no role in maintaining the integrity of voter rolls. That there is so much controversy over voter ID laws, which vary from state to state. There have been several Supreme Court decisions, of course, that deal with the matter. The Court, however, must only rule on the constitutionality of the states' laws. Probably the most important case was Bush vs. Gore in 2000 regarding the Florida recount. Here is a summary of the issues:
Loathe to make broad precedents, the per curiam opinion limited its holding to the present case. Rehnquist (in a concurring opinion joined by Scalia and Thomas) argued that the recount scheme was also unconstitutional because the Florida Supreme Court's decision made new election law, which only the state legislature may do. Breyer and Souter (writing separately) agreed with the per curiam holding that the Florida Court's recount scheme violated the Equal Protection Clause, but they dissented with respect to the remedy, believing that a constitutional recount could be fashioned. Time is insubstantial when constitutional rights are at stake. Ginsburg and Stevens (writing separately) argued that for reasons of federalism, the Florida Supreme Court's decision ought to be respected. Moreover, the Florida decision was fundamentally right; the Constitution requires that every vote be counted.
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And you can add to the roll-call of states recognizing, and refusing, this absurd Trumpian vanity project: Maryland, Delaware, and ruby-red (in presidential elections) Louisiana.
Louisiana Secretary of State Tom Schedler (R) said the presidential commission could purchase the limited information legally available to candidates running for office.
"You're not going to play politics with Louisiana’s voter data," he said in a statement.
States' rights advocates are a powerful force, even in these "United" States – another eighth-grade civics lesson for our woefully unprepared "leader."
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Just because they are red, doesn't mean they don't have a problem with fraud. Trump has shown that he doesn't care if you are red or blue, the law is the law. Draining the swamp doesn't mean just going against democrats. That's the narrow frame of reference you are drawing conclusions from.
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Just because they are red, doesn't mean they don't have a problem with fraud. Trump has shown that he doesn't care if you are red or blue, the law is the law. Draining the swamp doesn't mean just going against democrats. That's the narrow frame of reference you are drawing conclusions from.
So now our President is some uber-policeman who is going to tell sates how to enforce their own laws? There is no federal jurisdiction here. If anything, his commission can make recommendations to the states. Even congress is probably limited by the constitution on how much it can change voting laws. Certainly, he cannot do anything by Executive Order. The entire exercise if just to give his ridiculous claim about illegals making up Hillary's popular vote margin a shred of validity.
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Uber policeman??? He's the HEAD of the EXECUTIVE branch of GOVERNMENT! His most vital role is to EXECUTE and ENFORCE the LAW. What is this nonsense that "he cannot do anything by Executive Order???" Are you really saying that you admit their is all this fraud going on and he can't do anything about it??? He already HAS done something about it. He has made it a HUGE issue that everyone is talking about and considering, as the leader of the free world. We all know there is fraud, and the one's in charge of local government are the ones doing it. Of course they are against him, because they used vote fraud to put THEMSELVES in power.
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I am not going to argue with your ignorance of how our government works. He is the Chief Executive of the Federal Government. That does not give him the power to change state laws or even enforce state laws. For example, he could not sign an Executive Order that raises the minimum driving age to 25, because states grant driving licenses. I am not admitting any significant problem with illegal voting, I am just pointing out that the commission is investigating a problem that they have no power to remedy even IF they find one.
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Ok, so voting is a states' rights issue, so what is to stop them from allowing illegals to vote?
Many states already pander to illegals by giving them driver's licences and countless other rights.
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Nah, he DID do something about it. He EXPOSED it. That makes him pretty awesome. Now they feel the pressure and voters will use their checks and balances to vote in people who do something about it. You are just plain wrong on so many levels, it's astounding.
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Ok, so voting is a states' rights issue, so what is to stop them from allowing illegals to vote?
Many states already pander to illegals by giving them driver's licences and countless other rights.
There is a good summary of Voting law here: https://www.usa.gov/voting-laws
I am not a lawyer, but I don't think the federal government can interfere, since Article I of the Constitution gave states the responsibility for overseeing federal elections. Any fundamental change would require at the very least an act of congress, but more probably a constitutional amendment.Think of it this way–the president cannot insist that all states strictly enforce speeding laws, even though that probably would save thousands of lives a year.
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Nah, he DID do something about it. He EXPOSED it. That makes him pretty awesome. Now they feel the pressure and voters will use their checks and balances to vote in people who do something about it. You are just plain wrong on so many levels, it's astounding.
He exposed nothing. Trump got the idea from Alex Jones and InfoWars. He simply has used the presidency to create a presidential commission to look into it. He isn't fooling anyone except his die-hard supporters. That is why there is such wide-spread push-back against it.
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You were the one asking what he was going to do about it… Then when you forgot that he actually did something about it by creating the commission, you claimed more nonsense. You just don't pay attention. You are stuck on old and fabricated news that has been debunked. You keep making statements that show you aren't aware of what's going on. The wide-spread push-back is because the one's who are hiding things don't want to be punished. Period. There is no other explanation.
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Think of it this way–the president cannot insist that all states strictly enforce speeding laws, even though that probably would save thousands of lives a year.
Reagan did with the drinking age. He said that any state that didn't raise the age to 21 wouldn't get Transport funding.
Similar thing with the 55mph speed limit.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States
According to that, it's federal law that prevents non citizens from voting in federal elections.
The President is the top enforcer of federal law.
State, county and local elections are up to them, not the federal government.
San Francisco, for example, will allow anyone over 18 and meeting residency requirements to vote in the school board elections from 2018.
If you scroll down the page, California has an extremely worrying way of allowing non citizens to vote in federal elections, violating federal voting laws.
I personally know someone here in the UK who, despite the truth, signed a similar thing to be allowed to vote in UK/EU elections.
I'm a dual national so I can legally vote in in the US/UK/EU.
Voter fraud isn't hard to do since Voter ID and proof of citizenship is deemed racist.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431676/obama-administration-enabling-noncitizen-voting
Under Obama, liberals said it was the federal government's job to control (or NOT as in this case) who gets to vote in federal elections.
Under Trump, liberals scream "states' rights".
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The main point that seems to be lost in these distracting points from the main point of the post: if they don't want to cooperate and just help the federal government make it easy and find out if there's vote fraud… there's vote fraud for sure. Who can really deny it? All I've heard is you guys sitting here making excuses as to why it shouldn't be a national issue. It is a national issue, and Trump's administration has exposed it and will continue doing so. If you don't want your voting records investigated, you have something to hide.
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The main point that seems to be lost in these distracting points from the main point of the post: if they don't want to cooperate and just help the federal government make it easy and find out if there's vote fraud… there's vote fraud for sure. Who can really deny it? All I've heard is you guys sitting here making excuses as to why it shouldn't be a national issue. It is a national issue, and Trump's administration has exposed it and will continue doing so. If you don't want your voting records investigated, you have something to hide.
mhorndisk, you've demonstrated an impressive inability or unwillingness to grasp pppucci's repeated explanations, or if you prefer, study the reputable outside sources cited, that describe our three branches of government and their powers, in respect to voting and elections. For this reason alone, your follow-up postings are just unfocused complaints and completely useless.
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What?! You just can't accept that by hiding basic info that they already have access to was just a carrot on a stick to get them to dig themselves deeper into a hole.
You really think that Trump didn't dupe you into admitting guilt? Wow. Man you guys have so much to learn. He got them to admit they were engaged in fraud, just by pressing a button. It's so pathetic!
I mean seriously! All he did was Tweet, and now they are all scrambling like HELL NO! You won't DARE look at our voting records! We have NOTHING to hide! LOL. That's beyond absurd.
Trump can make those claims, that your state is engaged in fraud, because he KNOWS. Now he has gotten them to ADMIT it "unwittingly," AND without having to come out and actually ACCUSE them outright.
He got them to ADMIT it openly without having to be the bad guy. It's GENIUS!!!
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Think of it this way–the president cannot insist that all states strictly enforce speeding laws, even though that probably would save thousands of lives a year.
Reagan did with the drinking age. He said that any state that didn't raise the age to 21 wouldn't get Transport funding.
Similar thing with the 55mph speed limit.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States
According to that, it's federal law that prevents non citizens from voting in federal elections.
The President is the top enforcer of federal law.
State, county and local elections are up to them, not the federal government.
San Francisco, for example, will allow anyone over 18 and meeting residency requirements to vote in the school board elections from 2018.
If you scroll down the page, California has an extremely worrying way of allowing non citizens to vote in federal elections, violating federal voting laws.
I personally know someone here in the UK who, despite the truth, signed a similar thing to be allowed to vote in UK/EU elections.
I'm a dual national so I can legally vote in in the US/UK/EU.
Voter fraud isn't hard to do since Voter ID and proof of citizenship is deemed racist.
I was unaware of the 1996 federal law. However, the scope of the commission appears to be broader than that. The Vice-President, who chairs the commission " reiterated President Trump’s charge to the commission with producing a set of recommendations to increase the American people's confidence in the integrity of our election systems."
That vague charge allows it to get involved in issues far removed from illegal aliens voting in federal election. That is why its request for complete data from the states is so objectionable. As I said before in this thread, if the federal government were to provide the states with the SSN they know are being used by illegals to get jobs and ask them to cross-check their rolls would be perfectly reasonable. But this fishing expedition, with little data to justify it, is dangerous.
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Aww, dude! Just give them the information so the state's people can rest. It's ridiculous.
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