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    Trump Places Drinking Water on the Deregulation Block

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    • FrederickF Offline
      Frederick
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      @pppucci:

      @raphjd:

      The problem is, Flint violated EPA regulations.   So more EPA regulations wouldn't matter.

      I support the EPA, in theory, but they massively let the people of Flint and many other places down over the years.

      Your remarks support strengthening the EPA and its ability to enforce regulations, not dismantle it as Trump prefers.

      What drugs are you on?
      What would you have the EPA do?  Roll into Flint, Michigan with tanks?  Arrest all the government officials? 
      Government agencies are supposed to follow the rules without being forced to do it. 
      Obviously, the EPA failed to get the job done, so what should Trump do then?  Sit back and say "oh well, give them another 8 years"  or overhaul the EPA until they start doing their jobs?  If their regulations are not enforceable, why bother having them at all?  Why should anybody obey those regulations?
      And there is a much bigger issue here.. This global warming treaty that would have cost over $100 trillion dollars world wide and resulted in dropping the temperatures a mere 0.6 degrees.  If the EPA of the United States can't get compliance on Flint Michigan.. just what do you suppose the odds are that there would be any enforcement on any country signed onto that global warming treaty to actually adhere to it?
      The USA is famous for getting into one-way treaties which are only honored on OUR side.  For instance, with NAFTA, Canada is fucking us with their subsidized dairy and timber industries - which violates NAFTA.. yet they still want to have NAFTA!  90% of the population of Canada lives within 100 miles of the USA border.  If there were not free trade with Canada, Canada would cease to exist.  Let them sell their maple syrup and beaver pelts to Belize and see how long they last.

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        aadam101
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        @Frederick:

        @sutieday:

        The Trump administration took a big step towards repealing water protection rules on Tuesday. The EPA and the Army Corps of Engineers unveiled a proposal to rescind the Waters of the US - WOTUS rule - following an executive order signed by President Trump in February. This comes on the heels of the Flint, Michigan water crisis where state and city officials were charged just a few weeks ago for mismanaging the drinking water supply.

        Research also suggests that 47 locations in 27 states are exposed to drinking water that has been affected by highly toxic perfluorochemicals. The study by the non-profit organization the Environmental Working Group and Northeastern University in Boston says the contaminated water is being consumed by 15 million people. Some estimates show that the WOTUS rule is actually protecting the drinking water for one-third of Americans, so will the regulation for rolling all of this back by Trump and Pruitt lead to more pollution and toxins in American drinking water?

        http://therealnews.com/t2/story:19437:Trump-Places-Drinking-Water-on-the-Deregulation-Block

        Obama sure handled that Flint, Michigan problem with the water.. NOT!
        Even more absurd.  Flint Michigan is the hometown of washed up moonpig Michael Moore - where he still is headquartered.. and what did HE do about the water problem in Flint Michigan?  NOTHING!
        People like Obama and Moore only like attacking other people.  They don't want to hear about their OWN massive failings.

        So you think that fewer regulations would have prevented the problem is Flint?

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        • FrederickF Offline
          Frederick
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          @aadam101:

          @Frederick:

          @sutieday:

          The Trump administration took a big step towards repealing water protection rules on Tuesday. The EPA and the Army Corps of Engineers unveiled a proposal to rescind the Waters of the US - WOTUS rule - following an executive order signed by President Trump in February. This comes on the heels of the Flint, Michigan water crisis where state and city officials were charged just a few weeks ago for mismanaging the drinking water supply.

          Research also suggests that 47 locations in 27 states are exposed to drinking water that has been affected by highly toxic perfluorochemicals. The study by the non-profit organization the Environmental Working Group and Northeastern University in Boston says the contaminated water is being consumed by 15 million people. Some estimates show that the WOTUS rule is actually protecting the drinking water for one-third of Americans, so will the regulation for rolling all of this back by Trump and Pruitt lead to more pollution and toxins in American drinking water?

          http://therealnews.com/t2/story:19437:Trump-Places-Drinking-Water-on-the-Deregulation-Block

          Obama sure handled that Flint, Michigan problem with the water.. NOT!
          Even more absurd.  Flint Michigan is the hometown of washed up moonpig Michael Moore - where he still is headquartered.. and what did HE do about the water problem in Flint Michigan?  NOTHING!
          People like Obama and Moore only like attacking other people.  They don't want to hear about their OWN massive failings.

          So you think that fewer regulations would have prevented the problem is Flint?

          What an idiotic response.
          Obviously the EPA failed to do it's job, so Trump is fixing the EPA.

          There is a huge problem with regulations and laws that don't get enforced.  
          Take this example..   two identical crimes are committed by two men.  One is black, the other is white.. however, only one of those men is charged and convicted of the crime.   Do you get it?
          Any regulation, rule, or law that is not going to be enforced needs to be eliminated.  Ideally, the problem will be dealt with another way, but if the regulation isn't working, then it's a danger to even have that regulation because it is not fair.

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            aadam101
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            @Frederick:

            @aadam101:

            @Frederick:

            @sutieday:

            The Trump administration took a big step towards repealing water protection rules on Tuesday. The EPA and the Army Corps of Engineers unveiled a proposal to rescind the Waters of the US - WOTUS rule - following an executive order signed by President Trump in February. This comes on the heels of the Flint, Michigan water crisis where state and city officials were charged just a few weeks ago for mismanaging the drinking water supply.

            Research also suggests that 47 locations in 27 states are exposed to drinking water that has been affected by highly toxic perfluorochemicals. The study by the non-profit organization the Environmental Working Group and Northeastern University in Boston says the contaminated water is being consumed by 15 million people. Some estimates show that the WOTUS rule is actually protecting the drinking water for one-third of Americans, so will the regulation for rolling all of this back by Trump and Pruitt lead to more pollution and toxins in American drinking water?

            http://therealnews.com/t2/story:19437:Trump-Places-Drinking-Water-on-the-Deregulation-Block

            Obama sure handled that Flint, Michigan problem with the water.. NOT!
            Even more absurd.  Flint Michigan is the hometown of washed up moonpig Michael Moore - where he still is headquartered.. and what did HE do about the water problem in Flint Michigan?  NOTHING!
            People like Obama and Moore only like attacking other people.  They don't want to hear about their OWN massive failings.

            So you think that fewer regulations would have prevented the problem is Flint?

            What an idiotic response.
            Obviously the EPA failed to do it's job, so Trump is fixing the EPA.

            There is a huge problem with regulations and laws that don't get enforced. 
            Take this example..  two identical crimes are committed by two men.  One is black, the other is white.. however, only one of those men is charged and convicted of the crime.  Do you get it?
            Any regulation, rule, or law that is not going to be enforced needs to be eliminated.  Ideally, the problem will be dealt with another way, but if the regulation isn't working, then it's a danger to even have that regulation because it is not fair.

            Well that's great because according to Trump regulations are "way down" already.  How many regulations is that?  Who  is measuring?  What impact does it have?  Conservatives don't care about that.  They can only think in 5 second sound bites with a small number of syllables.  It's very sad.

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            • raphjdR Offline
              raphjd Forum Administrator
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              The USA is famous for getting into one-way treaties which are only honored on OUR side.

              Look at our extradition treaty with Israel.

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              • M Offline
                mhorndisk
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                Obviously, the regulations didn't do anything. A parallel to the 2nd amendment. You can have all the gun laws you want, the only thing that stops a person from shooting you, is you shooting them back. The law doesn't stop people.

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                • raphjdR Offline
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                  So you think that fewer regulations would have prevented the problem is Flint?

                  Ok, let's look at the EPA and \flint.

                  Lead pipes have been illegal for several decades, but a sizable portion of Flint still has them.   It's not city wide so MAYBE we can excuse it away.    Oddly, the EPA seems to know how many buildings still have them now.

                  Flints entire water supply was extremely toxic for 7 years and the EPA did nothing about it.   Using the EPA's own rules, they should have caught the problem within 2 years through regular testing.   However, since Flint switched it's water supply, the EPA was supposed to test it every 6 months for the first 2 years of the new supply.

                  Both Flint and the EPA failed the people.   Neither followed the rules that would have kept people safe.

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                    pppucci
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                    @raphjd:

                    So you think that fewer regulations would have prevented the problem is Flint?

                    Ok, let's look at the EPA and \flint.

                    Lead pipes have been illegal for several decades, but a sizable portion of Flint still has them.   It's not city wide so MAYBE we can excuse it away.    Oddly, the EPA seems to know how many buildings still have them now.

                    Flints entire water supply was extremely toxic for 7 years and the EPA did nothing about it.   Using the EPA's own rules, they should have caught the problem within 2 years through regular testing.   However, since Flint switched it's water supply, the EPA was supposed to test it every 6 months for the first 2 years of the new supply.

                    Both Flint and the EPA failed the people.   Neither followed the rules that would have kept people safe.

                    Its failure to enforce regulations in one city or several is no excuse to elimante regulations and gut the agency.

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                    • raphjdR Offline
                      raphjd Forum Administrator
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                      What good are the regulations and agency when none of it is enforced.

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                        pppucci
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                        @raphjd:

                        What good are the regulations and agency when none of it is enforced.

                        Exactly.  The President should be calling for tighter regulations and stricter enforcement, not the opposite.

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                        • raphjdR Offline
                          raphjd Forum Administrator
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                          I'll give you that, but I also demand the public executions of those that failed to do their job properly, that lead to poisoning all those people for decades (lead pipes), as well as the ones responsible for the 10 years of toxic water even for those not affected by lead pipes.

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                            pppucci
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                            Well, they are being prosecuted.. Not a capital offense, though.

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                            • raphjdR Offline
                              raphjd Forum Administrator
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                              They need to prosecute both city and EPA officials.

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