California to DENY Voter/Election Records to Trump's Election Fraud Commission
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I think the commission is entitled to publicly available information as long as they collect it themselves. Any cooperation from the states represents a federal intrusion on our state-based elections. Even the president is elected on a state-by-state basis with the electoral college. Congressmen and Senators are also chosen in state elections. The founding fathers made it clear in the Constitution that the election of federal officials be controlled by the states. For some Presidents, including Bush and Trump, this has worked to their advantage.
Trump, to justify a lie about illegal voting, now seeks to consolidate his power by either suppressing Democratic voters, or weaponizing the information for his re-election campaign. (The commission seeks information on political party affiliation and voting history)
The voter rolls are glutted with people who have died or moved out of the state, but this is not the way to clean them up.Your a trip..
When it comes to the election of Trump.. all the moonbats want to talk about is the fraudulent popular vote in which Hillary got more votes, while brushing aside the electoral vote that matters.
But then, when it comes to examining whether those popular votes were valid or not.. they whine "oh, but that's not the RULES! Wahh.. the states can do whatever they want and the federal government has no right to examine whether the votes are valid or not!"I would hate to live in California.. after pissing off Trump, when not pissing on him… and have a radiological bomb set off in their harbor by North Korea. I don't think Trump would have a lot of sympathy for California.
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I would hate to live in California.. after pissing off Trump, when not pissing on him… and have a radiological bomb set off in their harbor by North Korea. I don't think Trump would have a lot of sympathy for California.
A down-vote is not sufficient to condemn the pathological, violent thought processes of someone who, in the course of political debate, fantasizes about the detonation of a major bomb anywhere in the United States, as a fitting punishment for not adhering to the Trump line.
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I would hate to live in California.. after pissing off Trump, when not pissing on him… and have a radiological bomb set off in their harbor by North Korea. I don't think Trump would have a lot of sympathy for California.
A down-vote is not sufficient to condemn the pathological, violent thought processes of someone who, in the course of political debate, fantasizes about the detonation of a major bomb anywhere in the United States, as a fitting punishment for not adhering to the Trump line.
Again, you are twisting words and misrepresenting my comment.
I was pointing out that North Korea has been threatening to nuke California for many years, and is now able to do it.
It is quite hypocritical of California to viciously attack Trump, constantly, while at the same time expecting him to be "Their President".
I wasn't fantasizing about any bomb. I was addressing a real and current issue.
As a matter of fact, it looks like Trump is going to be forced to attack North Korea in a pre-emptive strike. The weapons factories are working overtime to produce things like MOABs, defensive missiles such as the Patriot, cruise missiles, etc.
What are you moonbats going to do when Trump attacks? Blame him for that too?
Or perhaps.. you would like to wait until North Korea DOES nuke the sea ports of California - crippling the economy of not only the USA, but of the world.I get really tired of you taking people's comments and twisting them 180 degrees. Don't think that your pitiful scheme is going unnoticed.
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"Again, you are twisting words and misrepresenting my comment." …
... "I get really tired of you taking people's comments and twisting them 180 degrees. Don't think that your pitiful scheme is going unnoticed."
Oh, you get tired? Boo hoo. A pity you have to spend so much time wallpapering over your original, nasty posts, including your "bombing liberal California" wet dream, where you giddily assess that "Trump wouldn't have much sympathy for California."
One nation, indivisible? Not so much for you.
When I take a moment to call out your inflammatory comments, it's not a scheme – but it's always nice to be noticed. :hug:
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"Again, you are twisting words and misrepresenting my comment." …
... "I get really tired of you taking people's comments and twisting them 180 degrees. Don't think that your pitiful scheme is going unnoticed."
Oh, you get tired? Boo hoo. A pity you have to spend so much time wallpapering over your original, nasty posts, including your "bombing liberal California" wet dream, where you giddily assess that "Trump wouldn't have much sympathy for California."
One nation, indivisible? Not so much for you.
When I take a moment to call out your inflammatory comments, it's not a scheme – but it's always nice to be noticed. :hug:
Your comments are consistently deceptive garbage.
However, you did hit on something that is interesting. The concept of "one nation, indivisible" which is included in the "pledge of allegiance" that all school children recite every day. It's obvious that California doesn't consider it self to be "one nation, indivisible" with the rest of the United States. In many ways, they act as if they are a country apart from the USA and do as they please. They have no respect for Trump. They are openly hostile to him. I'm wondering how hostile they will be when they are in need - such as with a disaster of the magnitude of a major earthquake, or a present from Kim JongUn.
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I would hate to live in California.. after pissing off Trump, when not pissing on him… and have a radiological bomb set off in their harbor by North Korea. I don't think Trump would have a lot of sympathy for California.
You are absolutely right. Our Commander-in-Chief takes his role so seriously that he will defend only states that supported him in 2016. If he could nuke the states the went for Hilary, he would do it himself. So much easierr to get re-elected in 2020.
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The answer to that: The records are already public, so why make it difficult?
There is no excuse California, or any other states who refuse. Just wasting money and time. But go ahead, the liberal bubble is eventually going to explode into oblivion. Or actually it will probably just deflate as its been losing tons of steam for at least two years now.
It's perfectly legal for states to not send the election records…...just like Trumps tax returns......
It would be one thing if the states promised to provide the recordsand then didn't do it but that is not what happened here.
To answer your question, politics aside states were asked to send personal information including the last 4 digits of SSN to an insecure email address! I wouldn't have done it just based on that.
http://gizmodo.com/trumps-election-fraud-commission-asked-states-to-send-s-1796535568
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The answer to that: The records are already public, so why make it difficult?
There is no excuse California, or any other states who refuse. Just wasting money and time. But go ahead, the liberal bubble is eventually going to explode into oblivion. Or actually it will probably just deflate as its been losing tons of steam for at least two years now.
It's perfectly legal for states to not send the election records…...just like Trumps tax returns......
It would be one thing if the states promised to provide the recordsand then didn't do it but that is not what happened here.
To answer your question, politics aside states were asked to send personal information including the last 4 digits of SSN to an insecure email address! I wouldn't have done it just based on that.
http://gizmodo.com/trumps-election-fraud-commission-asked-states-to-send-s-1796535568
… then why do you keep whining about Trump's tax returns?
Oh, I get it.. you only whine when it suits your moonbat agenda. -
The answer to that: The records are already public, so why make it difficult?
There is no excuse California, or any other states who refuse. Just wasting money and time. But go ahead, the liberal bubble is eventually going to explode into oblivion. Or actually it will probably just deflate as its been losing tons of steam for at least two years now.
It's perfectly legal for states to not send the election records…...just like Trumps tax returns......
It would be one thing if the states promised to provide the recordsand then didn't do it but that is not what happened here.
To answer your question, politics aside states were asked to send personal information including the last 4 digits of SSN to an insecure email address! I wouldn't have done it just based on that.
http://gizmodo.com/trumps-election-fraud-commission-asked-states-to-send-s-1796535568
… then why do you keep whining about Trump's tax returns?
Oh, I get it.. you only whine when it suits your moonbat agenda.You are the one whining. You started the thread. I actually think the states should comply however the fact that Trump is asking for states to send sensitive data to a insecure email address just goes to show that they are not taking this seriously. This is just a show. He already knows what the results will be. They won't even bother to look at the data. They will lie and his supporters will believe him. You still think Obama wasn't a citizen!
Trump of all people should be taking email security extremely seriously given how much he bashed his opponent for it.
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… then why do you keep whining about Trump's tax returns?
Oh, I get it.. you only whine when it suits your moonbat agenda.We whine about his tax returns because every president since Richard Nixon has released his. There is no such precedent for states sharing their electoral roll data with the federal government
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… then why do you keep whining about Trump's tax returns?
Oh, I get it.. you only whine when it suits your moonbat agenda.We whine about his tax returns because every president since Richard Nixon has released his. There is no such precedent for states sharing their electoral roll data with the federal government
No other president was a multi billionaire businessman under audit.
Besides… your hero Rachel Madcow had her big Trump tax return revelation special.. and that showed that Trump paid a whopping $35 million in taxes in just one year! How much tax did YOU pay in your entire lifetime? Zero?
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We whine about his tax returns because every president since Richard Nixon has released his. There is no such precedent for states sharing their electoral roll data with the federal government
Absolutely, pppucci. And we whine about Trump's years of unreleased tax returns, Frederick, because he promised – so very many times -- to do so:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/times-donald-trump-release-tax-returns-article-1.3061868 or,
And yes, Frederick, Trump gave us taxes for "just one year," as you pointed out. It's obvious to the most casual observer that he cherry-picked his most acceptable tax year. Most presidents provide a dozen years or so, and Trump does not get a pass to provide fewer because he has amassed wealth.
And back to the core thread, here's a collection of research on the rarity of U.S. voter fraud:
https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth
Of course, the root of Trump's voter fraud commission is little more than Donnie's vanity project to explain away his garnering three million fewer popular votes.
It would be easy for this commission, overseen in Trump's offices, to misrepresent or cloud its numbers: by including, for example, persons on the voter rolls in two states due to a move, as well as people incorrectly on rolls because they had the misfortune of dying.
Ironically, people in the former category, who could well be used as supporting voter fraud data, include Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, Jared Kushner and Tiffany Trump.
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No, some states gave all the requested information, some states gave some of the requested information, but states like California refused to comply 100%, because they are hiding their illegal actions. Quit trying to act like it's something else.
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No, some states gave all the requested information, some states gave some of the requested information, but states like California refused to comply 100%, because they are hiding their illegal actions. Quit trying to act like it's something else.
Then someone should be fired in those states if they sent sensitive information to an unsecured email. Look at all the hacking that goes on these days. Trump said he knew about the cybers!
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No, some states gave all the requested information, some states gave some of the requested information, but states like California refused to comply 100%, because they are hiding their illegal actions. Quit trying to act like it's something else.
Agreed, aadam001 – so many data security issues with this hastily assembled, bush-league commission and their inadequate experience and IT resources.
Here's a nice map of states and their compliance status as of the weekend:
States that will offer NO compliance include Mississippi – famous now for their refusal, and their invitation for Kobach to "jump in the Gulf" -- as well as Kentucky, Tennessee and South Dakota. So, mhorn, why not rag on these Trump-voting, red -- or crimson! --states for a while?
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It makes me think that there was little involvement from IT people. You have to wonder how they plan to analyze all of that data without IT people. I suppose the more likely scenario is that they wrote the conclusion of their findings months ago.
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Rumor has it that Trump himself leaked that one year–over 12 years ago--because it was the only year he paid taxes.
He took a $916 million dollar loss, most of which was with borrowed money that he could carry forward. He went bankrupt on those loans, so essentially he used bank money to avoid taxes. All perfectly legal. -
He did leak it himself. The Apprentice started in 2004. He likely did every well in 2005. The rest of the years will tell a very different story. He can release the 2016 return. It hasn't been filed yet. He requested an extension. He should release it to the American people at the same time of the filing. His supporters should demand that he keep his promise to them.
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No, some states gave all the requested information, some states gave some of the requested information, but states like California refused to comply 100%, because they are hiding their illegal actions. Quit trying to act like it's something else.
Look at the states refusing to comply:
"Ten states — California, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, New York, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, and Virginia — have fully rebuked Kobach’s call for voter data, including an invitation from Mississippi Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann in a statement of his own:They can go jump in the Gulf of Mexico and Mississippi is a great State to launch from. Mississippi residents should celebrate Independence Day and our State’s right to protect the privacy of our citizens by conducting our own electoral processes."
Ref:
http://www.snopes.com/2017/06/30/trump-election-commission-rejection/I don't think you can argue that they all are trying to hide something.. They are evenly divided between Trump and Hillary states in 2016. You guys just eat up whatever is fed to you by the conservative press like a baby slurping oatmeal.
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Regarding Mississippi, which has already admitted to fraud, they don't want this investigation because now you're talking punishment and national exposure. Now you're talking about a President who doesn't care if you are conservative or liberal, the law is the law. I've been trying to tell you he's an Independent.
Edit: This is a classic example of drawing from a conclusion rather than towards one. You already have the conclusion set in your mind that conservatives are free to break the law because Trump is in office. Clearly not the case.
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