DOJ report - Ferguson PD
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Raphjd
I haven't seen that chart for statutory rape, I saw the big chart that included many crimes. Oddly, that chart still makes my point.
Asians have the lowest underage birth rate, then whites. Whites are less than half of the next lowest group. Blacks have the highest underage birth rate. Arrest/charged rates don't match birth rates.
I don't see how comparing rates for statutory rates and underage pregnancy proves that whites are prosecuted more than blacks for this crime. You assume that all underage sex is unprotected or that the rates of contraception are equal in both groups. Acutually at least one study of underage girls in NYC showed that the pregnancy risk for white girls was 5.4% vs 9.0% in black girls. Taking that into account will eliminate much of the discrepancy you cite. Furthermore, police do not patrol the streets looking for statutory rape victims. This is a self-reported crime and cultural difference may account for some of the difference as well. I suggest you point to another crime category to make your case.
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I don't see how comparing rates for statutory rates and underage pregnancy proves that whites are prosecuted more than blacks for this crime.
A pregnant 12yo is virtually always a case of statutory rape. There are extremely few reasons for it not to be.
Just using pregnant jail bait figures vs those arrested/charged, it's clear that a higher % of whites are arrested/charged compared to blacks. Of course it won't change and no one will make it "mandatory reporting" like with child abuse because the black community will scream RACISM.
Of course blacks won't self report because the girl can marry the government and go on welfare. Then the race baiters will scream that that's another "woman of color" kept down by the white man.
Acutuall at least one study of underage girls in NYC showed that the pregnancy risk for white girls was 5.4% vs 9.0% in black girls.
What are you trying to show here? It's pretty much what I said. I was talking about national figures and you pointed to NYC.
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Raphjd is trying to use pregnancy figures as a measure of incidence of underage sex and therefore statutory rape. I challenge that assumption because of varying rates of contraception in racial groups. You should either cite a study of actual rates of underage sex or find another crime to make your point.
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We can simply use the rate of underage pregnancy vs arrests/charged. It's not completely accurate, but it is a very good indicator.
What more proof do you need that someone fucked a 12yo girl than her being pregnant.
You even provided stats from NYC that showed that white girls have nearly have the rate of black girls. I said the national figures had a bigger difference between the 2.
https://thenationalcampaign.org/data/compare/1687/16096
That site is pretty close to what I said about national figures.
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Tommy Sotomayor did a good video on this.
Terence Williams did a great video on how blacks hate the police, but they are the first ones they call when they have problems. Once the police arrive, blacks refuse to cooperate and get hostile toward the police because they didn't prevent the crime.
Exactly, Tommy Sotomayor and Terence Williams are both black and both have different views because black people are capable of having different views of things. Contrary to your statements that one black person speaks for our entire race; we actually are capable of breaking from the hive-mind mentality on specific issues. I actually agree with some of the things Tommy Sotomayor says on YouTube. I've also seen first hand what happens when you criticize BLM on Facebook because my brother's Facebook account was disabled and still is just because he criticized BLM and he didn't even use bad language when he criticized them. He was called anti-black and people who didn't even know him reported him until Facebook disabled his account. I understand what you are saying and to some degree, I do agree with you.
However, there are deep reasons why we have such a bad relationship with the police and until those reasons are properly addressed and corrected, the relationship will continue to be bad. The police can start by not murdering people who do call them for help. They can also start by protecting those who do wish to help them serve the community. There needs to be more transparency. There needs to be more accountability for wrongdoing. If you're a police officer and you enter a house looking for a drug dealer or someone with an outstanding warrant and just begin shooting and murder a little innocent child in her bedroom, you need to go to prison. Unless that child was awake and threatening to shoot you with a gun, you have no reasons for firing into her bedroom. That happened to Aiyana Stanley-Jones. Guess what? No one would convict the officer who murdered her.
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We can simply use the rate of underage pregnancy vs arrests/charged. It's not completely accurate, but it is a very good indicator.
What more proof do you need that someone fucked a 12yo girl than her being pregnant.
You even provided stats from NYC that showed that white girls have nearly have the rate of black girls. I said the national figures had a bigger difference between the 2.
https://thenationalcampaign.org/data/compare/1687/16096
That site is pretty close to what I said about national figures.
Yes, a pregnant 12 year old has been fucked, but the converse is not true. A 12 year old can be fucked and NOT pregnant. Therefore the pregnancy rate cannot be used as a surrogate for the fucking rate. Let's say, for argument's sake, that all underage white girls use contraception. There would still be arrests for statutory rape among whites. but arrests per pregnancy would be astronomically high. That would not mean, however that whites are being unfairly targeted.
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Yes, a pregnant 12 year old has been fucked, but the converse is not true. A 12 year old can be fucked and NOT pregnant. Therefore the pregnancy rate cannot be used as a surrogate for the fucking rate. Let's say, for argument's sake, that all underage white girls use contraception. There would still be arrests for statutory rape among whites. but arrests per pregnancy would be astronomically high. That would not mean, however that whites are being unfairly targeted.
You ABSOLUTELY know that a pregnant 12yo got fucked by a human, this ain't the bible or Springer.
Why are there fewer arrests/charges than pregnant 12yo, especially in the hispanic and black communities?
As I previously said, if we made it "mandatory reporting" like with child abuse, those 2 communities would be having a cow saying we're targeting them.
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Contrary to your statements that one black person speaks for our entire race; we actually are capable of breaking from the hive-mind mentality on specific issues.
That's not what I said though.
I said that every time Maxine Waters opens her mouth, she makes black look bad. She claims that blacks are too stupid to speak English and too weak willed not to do drugs.
It was black people (Larry Elder was one of 'em) on the right that said she was an idiot. Blacks on the left ate it up as justification for blacks doing so badly in schools.
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Yes, a pregnant 12 year old has been fucked, but the converse is not true. A 12 year old can be fucked and NOT pregnant. Therefore the pregnancy rate cannot be used as a surrogate for the fucking rate. Let's say, for argument's sake, that all underage white girls use contraception. There would still be arrests for statutory rape among whites. but arrests per pregnancy would be astronomically high. That would not mean, however that whites are being unfairly targeted.
You ABSOLUTELY know that a pregnant 12yo got fucked by a human, this ain't the bible or Springer.
Why are there fewer arrests/charges than pregnant 12yo, especially in the hispanic and black communities?
As I previously said, if we made it "mandatory reporting" like with child abuse, those 2 communities would be having a cow saying we're targeting them.
The simple answer is that only a small fraction of statutory rape cases are reported. and I suspect white blacks and Hispanics would all have cows if we insisted on mandatory reporting. In 2015, there were 250,000 underage pregnancies and only about 1600 cases of statutory rape reported. I am still waiting to see your proof that whites are prosecuted more than blacks. I will point you to this: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0886260514555132 on same-sex and race disparities in statutory rape
The last sentence of the abstract says: " Support for race/ethnicity-based arrest disparities was limited and mixed." -
US wide whites are the extreme vast majority of those arrest/tried/convicted for statutory rape. This is another stat from the FBI. When looking at under the legal age to have sex, but getting pregnant, white girls have less than half the rate of non-whites (black and hispanic). So, clearly whites are being persecuted due solely on their race for this.
This is from your original post and I am still waiting for proof. The FBI data that I found showed was from 2012. It showed a total of 1,695 arrests for non-forcible sex crimes. Of those, 1,301 were white or 77%; 327 were black or 19%, and the remainder was split between American indians, Asians and unknown. Hispanics were not specifically separated in these statistics, but the percentages are very close to the percentages in the general population. Show me another study if I'm wrong.
Ref: https://ucr.fbi.gov/nibrs/2012/table-pdfs/arrestees-race-by-arrest-offense-category-2012
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Hispanics are included in White, except when they separate them out in the victim column.
Unless you have specific stats on how many 12yo girls get fucked, then we can only go by pregnancy rates.
We could look at STD/STI rates of jail bait.
Just based on pregnancy rates, "people of color" (such a racist term) except Asians, have a higher rate of underage pregnancy. As I pointed out earlier, and gave a link for, Asians have the lowest rate, closely followed by whites. 3rd place is about double that of whites and it gets worse from there. Blacks have the highest rate, which is more than double that of whites.
No duh that gay relationships have the highest rate of arrests and extremely disproportionate.
Similarly, no duh that women who fuck kids have by far the lowest rate of arrest. You know, gender equality and all that. Shout out to all the feminists; Hey
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Here you go again. You keep talking about two different sets of statistics –- rates and incidence.
Let's look at rates. You say that blacks have the highest teenage pregnancy rates, inferring that they have the highest teenage sexual activity rates. However, the confounding factor in that assumption is contraception rates. Then you try to draw a line between that and white arrests for statutory rape. But to make a comparison you would have to look at the rate of arrests in each group, i.e. number of arrests per 100,000 population.
So to make a true comparison, you need to look at the number of arrests per sexually active teen in each each racial group, or the rates of arrests in each group compared to the sexual activity rate (or even pregnancy rate, which is inexact) of each group.
As far as I can tell your argument is blacks have double the teenage pregnancy rate than whites , yet 77% of those arrested for statutory rape are white, therefore there is a racial bias in prosecuting whites for this crime. Can you see the fallacy in that?
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