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    Puerto Rico votes in favor of statehood

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      pppucci
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      Don't hold your breath, anyone.  I lived in Puerto Rico for 8 years and understand the politics there.  The 23% turnout represents a boycott by those against statehood.  Turnout for gubernatorial elections is usually over 90%.  The true sentiment about statehood in Puerto Rico is about 50:50.  Even worse, Congress has ignored Puerto Ricans' wishes in the past and has no appetite for granting it statehood.

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        sutieday
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        @pppucci:

        Don't hold your breath, anyone.  I lived in Puerto Rico for 8 years and understand the politics there.  The 23% turnout represents a boycott by those against statehood.  Turnout for gubernatorial elections is usually over 90%.  The true sentiment about statehood in Puerto Rico is about 50:50.  Even worse, Congress has ignored Puerto Ricans' wishes in the past and has no appetite for granting it statehood.

        Welp, USA and colonialism goes hand in hand.

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          mhorndisk
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          OMG sutieday, are you serious? You're embarrassing humanity. How can you be so misinformed? You really don't actually know anything, do you?

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            Frederick
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            @pppucci:

            Don't hold your breath, anyone.  I lived in Puerto Rico for 8 years and understand the politics there.  The 23% turnout represents a boycott by those against statehood.  Turnout for gubernatorial elections is usually over 90%.  The true sentiment about statehood in Puerto Rico is about 50:50.  Even worse, Congress has ignored Puerto Ricans' wishes in the past and has no appetite for granting it statehood.

            I remember that long ago, Puerto Rico consistently resisted becoming a state.  I'm not sure that they can become a state just because they want to become a state.

            I'm sure that all flag manufacturers would love it.. so they could sell new flags to everybody.

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              raphjd Forum Administrator
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              As someone already said, they only want to become a state so the US tax payers will bail them out.

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                sutieday
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                @raphjd:

                As someone already said, they only want to become a state so the US tax payers will bail them out.

                Just like we bail out the red states!

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                  mhorndisk
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                  You don't bail out anyone. We all bail out each other. It's socialist to a degree like that. You just want to spread it so thin that it won't be possible anymore and you won't realize it until it collapses. God, so asinine.

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                    raphjd Forum Administrator
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                    @sutieday:

                    @raphjd:

                    As someone already said, they only want to become a state so the US tax payers will bail them out.

                    Just like we bail out the red states!

                    Tax payers subsidize heating for the North East, which includes blue states.

                    We don't subsidize heating for other parts and definitely we don't subsidize cooling.

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                      sutieday
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                      @mhorndisk:

                      You don't bail out anyone. We all bail out each other. It's socialist to a degree like that. You just want to spread it so thin that it won't be possible anymore and you won't realize it until it collapses. God, so asinine.

                      Nice, contradiction mate!

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                        aadam101
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                        @pppucci:

                        Don't hold your breath, anyone.  I lived in Puerto Rico for 8 years and understand the politics there.  The 23% turnout represents a boycott by those against statehood.  Turnout for gubernatorial elections is usually over 90%.  The true sentiment about statehood in Puerto Rico is about 50:50.  Even worse, Congress has ignored Puerto Ricans' wishes in the past and has no appetite for granting it statehood.

                        Why boycott?  Isn't voting against it a better idea?

                        Also, why do they hold elections on Sunday? Wouldn't a weekday election be better since elections are usually held in schools and people bring their kids to schools?  What am I missing?

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                          pppucci
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                          @aadam101:

                          @pppucci:

                          Don't hold your breath, anyone.  I lived in Puerto Rico for 8 years and understand the politics there.  The 23% turnout represents a boycott by those against statehood.  Turnout for gubernatorial elections is usually over 90%.  The true sentiment about statehood in Puerto Rico is about 50:50.  Even worse, Congress has ignored Puerto Ricans' wishes in the past and has no appetite for granting it statehood.

                          Why boycott?  Isn't voting against it a better idea?

                          Also, why do they hold elections on Sunday? Wouldn't a weekday election be better since elections are usually held in schools and people bring their kids to schools?  What am I missing?

                          The boycotters were essentially recognizing the futility of the referendum, as Congress has failed to act on previous referenda favoring statehood. https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/19860/why-would-people-protest-the-puerto-rico-statehood-referendum-by-boycotting
                          Having it on a Sunday probably was to increase turnout.  In Puerto Rico, the voting process is very different then here.  The voters check into a room and the doors are closed and then everyone votes by paper ballot.  The entire process can take 4 hours or more.  If it were held on a weekday, people would have to miss work.  Also as I mentioned, about 50% support statehood, so they turned out less than half of their base.

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                            pppucci
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                            @raphjd:

                            As someone already said, they only want to become a state so the US tax payers will bail them out.

                            There has been a strong statehood movement in Puerto Rico for more than 50 years.  The main argument is based more on security than economics.  Most Puerto Ricans would suffer financially under statehood since they would be liable to pay federal taxes.  Under the no taxation without representation concept, they are exempt from federal taxes now.
                            It could be argued that statehood with give them protection under Title 9 of the bankruptcy clause, but Congress could do that alone by law.  There is certainly no guarantee that statehood would prompt a bailout.  Remember President Ford and NYC?

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                              Frederick
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                              @pppucci:

                              @raphjd:

                              As someone already said, they only want to become a state so the US tax payers will bail them out.

                              There has been a strong statehood movement in Puerto Rico for more than 50 years.  The main argument is based more on security than economics.  Most Puerto Ricans would suffer financially under statehood since they would be liable to pay federal taxes.  Under the no taxation without representation concept, they are exempt from federal taxes now.
                              It could be argued that statehood with give them protection under Title 9 of the bankruptcy clause, but Congress could do that alone by law.  There is certainly no guarantee that statehood would prompt a bailout.  Remember President Ford and NYC?

                              You hit the nail on the head there…    NOT being a state makes them exempt from Federal taxes, and who wants to pay taxes?  A LOT of people move to Florida to avoid state taxes. 
                              One thing about taxes.. tax RATES should technically never change.  However, in Florida, the sales tax used to be 4%, and now it is typically 7%

                              I think the conditions now that make Puerto Rico WANT to be a state are the same reason why they won't become a state anytime soon.  They need to be more enthusiastic about being a state when they are not in a state of bankruptcy.

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                                jazuko
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                                it's basically another hawaii meaning it wont do squat in the grand scheme of things. christ you lib***** are desperate for any shred of hope

                                :police: Please follow the rules.  :police:
                                 Use of a banned word.  See the rules for the section.

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